1 Krishna and Kali Maa Posted by Sartha Nair on January 26, 2017 at 12:42am in Krishna What is the relationship between Lord Krishna and Mother Kali You need to be a member of ISKCON Desire Tree | IDT to add comments! Join ISKCON Desire Tree | IDT Email me when people reply – Follow
If one can count thousands of times & lifeTimes removed.
"Part-&-parcel" is at it's best an awesome stretch yet tru'
Those who don't want to follow iskcon can always leave iskcon and preach whatever they know. No body is forcing them to accept iskcon philosophy.
then, What about Sanatana Dharma philosophy ,which is universal , which is beyond space and time , which is the essence of all religions , which is all about dharma , karma , artha , kama aur moksha .........
which is followed not only on this Earth , but also in Swargloka,Gauloka,Patala loka, Rudraloka, Brahma loka, Vaikuntha loka and all other lokas.............
should we kick out this phiosophy for the new philosophy of one only God.....
If you are indian, then you must know about indian culture deep downly whose essence is
only Sanathan.....the oldest and surviving Dharma from 1st Manvantra to this present Manvantra and beyond....
Mr VJ Singh,
What you are speaking about is advaitha vedantha,It is not the only culture of India.India has variety of cultures which DOES NOT ACCEPT the above said views of you,
Sri Vaishnavism(South Indian,Thenkalai,Vadakalai,Ramanandhi)
Rudra Vaishnavism(Pusti Marg)
Goudiya Sambradaya(ISKCON'S Sambradaya)
These vaishnava phillosophies are not new philosophies.These phillosophies are existing since begining of time.
You do have a point and also you are contradicting the essence of spirituality and yourself. People are not taking you seriously because you do not seem sincere or humble in any way. You start by comparing gods. That's like comparing my car is better than yours or our military is better than yours. That's cheap & childish ego stroking at best. It feels good I know but it will lead nowhere. Rather than inquiring with genuine curiosity you are trying to shove your own relative understanding as the "true understanding" all the while dismissing Gaudiya Vaishnava's understanding as "false" or "inaccurate". You're biting your own tail because you're indulging in relativism, surest way to keep you confuse and trap. If you have received some amount of understanding of God good. Start there but grow and make progress. If you go around hollering your own little insights is the best while others are false or incomplete or untrue...your issue is not with God, or philosophy, or Krishna or Shiva or "demigods". It's you. You've got issues buddy. It's your ego. If you don't understand or hard accept something inquire rather than getting all wound up over nothing.
First of, why are you identifying yourself as an Indian? You also claimed that you know the Vedas? You see, God doesn't care how much you know or who you are. If you're humble and sincere enough to inquire you'll be heard. In all honesty nobody knows what God really is. He is too incomprehensible to fathom with this tiny little mind. No single personality in History (except loons) have claimed to have known God. What they did is they attained a very small part of God and perfected their lives.
It's true that He manifested everywhere in different forms and degrees according to the prevailing condition of the places of His manifestation. The mercy of God is that He gives everybody a chance to start somewhere - whether it be in ignorance or passion or goodness.
This is really great, we have got Srila Vyasadeva of Kaliyuga in this forum in the form of V J Singh Prabhu.
Though unfortunately his statements are mare childish, sentimental and devoid of any proper logic, unfortunately he is trying to preach this to the iskcon devotees which will be a total failure because no one is interested here to listen to such mentally concocted flow of garbages. But we know in the outside world people at large believes whatever is spoken to them in the name of spirituality , there are hundreds of such personalities present in the society who are fooling people by presenting their own philosophy. So better you kindly try there, don't unnecessarily waste your valuable time here.Wish you all the best.
Because all living entities are just parts and parcels of Lord, in another words sons and daughters of Lord,
Kali Maa is the daughter and servant of the Lord Krishna.
SB 10.2.7 — The Lord ordered Yoga-māyā: O My potency, who are worshipable for the entire world and whose nature is to bestow good fortune upon all living entities, go to Vraja, where there live many cowherd men and their wives. In that very beautiful land, where many cows reside, Rohiṇī, the wife of Vasudeva, is living at the home of Nanda Mahārāja. Other wives of Vasudeva are also living there incognito because of fear of Kaṁsa. Please go there.
sadyo devy ambaraṁ gatā
First think God is One......He/She can make anybody equalent to Him/Her.
Examples : Goverdhan Parvat , Yogamaya , Hanumanji , Barbirik (the grandson of Bhima) , and many other bhakts of God...
Does Goverdhan Parvat worshipped as demigod ???
No, he is worshipped as God equivalent to Lord Krishna.............
Does Hanumanji worshipped as demigod ???
No, he is worshipped equivalent to God as Lord Ram's biggest & foremost devotee...........
Does Barbirikji worshipped as demigod ???
No, he is worshipped as God equivalent to Lord Krishna as Khatu Shyamji (in Rajasthan) who in DwaparYuga could end the MahaBhrata War with just 3 Arrows......
Similarly, the case with YogaMaya whom Lord Krishna gives equivalent status to God....... not mere as demigoddess whom we all mistakenly understand..
But it doesn't mean that Kali maa is the servant of Lord Krishna...YogMaya is truely the servant of Lord but Kali Maa is the servant of MahaDev Only...
It's MahaDev who prevented MahaKali who got fond of blood after killing demon RaktaBeej,by laying down among corpses and she stepped on MahaDev's chest but when she realized her mistake that she stepped on her husband's chest and in embarrassment, her tongue immediately came out..
by the way,the relation between Parvatji & Lord Krishna is very deep...sometimes it's the relation of only brother-sister but sometimes it becomes the relation of mother-son which can't be understood easily by we fellow deotees...
And Question is who are we to decide who is supreme and who is not supreme ??
We are just fellow people....nothing are we...
Humans worship many different personalities as God, but that doesn't mean they are equal to Him in any way. Actually, all demigods and devotees, such as Brahma, Shiva, Durga, Hanuman,..are just a parts and parcels of Him.