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Jivaatma - What is the source ?

Posted by Sivakumar P on August 16, 2016 at 2:23pm in Krishna

Please accept my humble respects. Request you to please clarify below question:

It is explained that Jivas are expansion of lord Krishna. Does this mean that Jivas source is the lord? If so, does this contradict with my understanding that ‘Aatma’ is eternal and does not have a beginning OR end.

All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

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    kŗşņa dasa September 1, 2016 at 4:24am

    All souls orginate from the supreme being as krsna says in BG that he is the source of everything.. EVERYTHING.

    With that understanding, the jiva's source is also krsna. All the 8.4 millions species also originate from krsna. One problem I have with your post is that jivas are not expansions, jivas have the source as krsna. However, the soul in each jiva has its origination from Krsna (I hope I am not confusing you here).

    The jiva is made up of material elements but the soul is not. Soul is subtle, and eternal. Jiva however is limited and temporary. The soul migrate between different species of jivas. So, atma being part of krsna is also eternal (no beginning or end) but this is not to be confused with jiva which has a beginning and end. if we identify ourselves as jivas then we have birth and death. If we identify ourselves as a spirit soul, then we are eternal and permanent. We are just transmigrating between bodies (between jivas).

    Hope that cleared some of your doubts. Feel free to come back with follow up questions or inbox me directly.

    All glories to Srila Prabhupad

    Hare krsna.

  • Walter Cloud ShaktimanahDasa September 1, 2016 at 3:28am
    thank you, Lord Brahma Gee is Jivea and almost all living entities are. But not all, God and many DimiGods and their incantations are not.
  • 3ruf705dlznca August 20, 2016 at 7:56pm

    Sri Krishna was talking here about creation, maintenance and destruction of material bodies of living beings, not about souls :

    Bg 2.20 — For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain.

    Bg 2.20
    Qualitatively, the small atomic fragmental part of the Supreme Spirit is one with the Supreme. He undergoes no changes like the body. Sometimes the s…
  • 3ruf705dlznca August 20, 2016 at 1:31pm

    Paramatma and atma are both same eternal qualities with no limit.

    The  Lord is like unlimited ocean and jivas are like the drops of that ocean. But because the such transcendental drops came from such unlimited transcendental ocean, they are also unlimited.

    Its very difficult to understand Jiva, as same as the Lord, but by mercy of those who have seen the truth its possible.

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    SB 7.7.19-20 — “Ātmā” refers to the Supreme Lord or the living entities. Both of them are spiritual, free from birth and death, free from deterioration and free from material contamination. They are individual, they are the knowers of the external body, and they are the foundation or shelter of everything. They are free from material change, they are self-illuminated, they are the cause of all causes, and they are all-pervading. They have nothing to do with the material body, and therefore they are always uncovered. With these transcendental qualities, one who is actually learned must give up the illusory conception of life, in which one thinks, “I am this material body, and everything in relationship with this body is mine.”
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    We can see here what Sri Prahlada says about that, but unqualified teachers who take elevated seats to preach nonsense denying it. They think if they talk for hours, putting  Jiva into their material squares, they will look very intelligent in the eyes of their naive brain washed followers.
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