Hare Krishna ,
I have posted this discussion for a chat i did with a New Devotee Of God ( All Are God ) .
He argued with me in various points , he said ISKCON is fearful of other scriptures ,
They are a Sect , He called me completely brainwashed ?
He has taken determination to completely uproot ISKCON philosphy .
He believe in Formless God , His thinking worshiping anyone is equall .
He said We Try to create barrier between Shiva and Krsna , We do not go to temples of demigod's or take their prasada , we are mentally sick . He calls us Fanatic .
Says ISKCON uses siddhi power to attract devotees and makes other urges to worship supress .
I am not naming him , but want all of you to tell that ISKCON is not a SECT .
Let the world know it .
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Ask Him Whether he knows
Any Temple having Bhagavad Gita & Srimad Bhagvatam classes
Any Temple which has such beautiful Shringar and does not uses Diamond/Gold or Silver.
Any Society / Organisation preaching Sanatan Dharma through Bhagavad Gita, Srimad Bhagavatam and Chaitanya Charitamrit all over the world
People wants shortcut... How they can achieve material things in exchange of few rupees or some short Puja-Archana.
Its worthless trying to prove them.
Hare Krishna !!
dear Amit,
He didn't have even a good Dhoti Kurta to wear in the winter of America still he never left his traditional dress like other mayavadi swamis from India. Before going to America He was just wandering from one place to another place in Delhi just to take shelter at night sometimes in some temple dharamashala. compromising his breakfast day after day just to print Bhagavatam sets.
As Rakesh Prabhu said show me one person at the age of 70 ever did this in the entire history of mankind. And yes in Iskcon people comes for satisfaction but satisfaction of the self because real self interest is Vishnu to serve Krishna which u can't get outside.
dear amit,
Please if it is so easy, you are most welcome to do that.He did not have 8 $ , that is first mistake. He had 40 rs which had nothing to do with american money at that time. He was made to stay in ymca hostel in US, where only beggars and most poverty stricken people lived. I don't understand how that is a comfortable place.
I am sure you have never traveled by a ship that is why you are telling that it was a " comfortable room on a ship". Srila Prabhupada travelled at the age of 70 and suffered 2 heart attacks on that ship. Also traveling by ship for 38 days is no joke. you can try if you think it is too easy for you. Sea sickness makes big people dizzy, what to say for old people at the age of 70.
Regarding several people achieving so much success, please can you tell who has made devotees of Krsna at this age and started a world wide movement, build 108 temples , circled the globe 14 times, wrote more than 80 books and trained more than 10000 disciples, that also at the age of 70. This is nothing material. Material success is very easy as compared to this but making a hippy a gentleman is no joke. Regarding your telling it to be a mere speculation is not true because this statement is from scriptures and senior acharyas and it is not someone's mental speculation.
Srila Prabhupada did all this at the age of 70...
you please go and preach americans at this youth of yours..
why people come to iskcon cannot be judged .
ys
"The swine who eat the night soil do not care to accept sweetmeats made of sugar and ghee."
"In young age how can one know what old age is, people are typing from their comfortable AC room , blaspheming ISKCON without any basis in fact and evidence from Scriptures, thinking that they are better than any Acharyas, ................................It is very easy to discuss vedanta philosophy with cigeratte and wine in hand at comfort zone of home, but IT IS NOT EASY TO GO TO A FOREIGN COUNTRY WITH 8 $ IN HAND SURVIVING TWO HEART ATTACKS , IN A LUGGAGE SHIP AT THE AGE OF 70 WHEN THE BODY PARTS ARE ALL BROKEN AND ESTABLISHING A SOCIETY OF THE SAME OLD SPIRITUAL HERITAGE OF BHARATA JUST TO KEEP THE WORDS OF HIS GURU MAHARAJA..........................................NO NIRMAL BABA, NO SAI BABA..... etc has teh ability to do this .................YOU KNOW WHY ?????????? BEACUSE THEY ARE NOT DEVOTEE. KRISHNA ONLY GIVES POWER TO HIS PURE DEVOTEES.
ISKCON IS NOT FOR THOSE WHO HAS CAME HERE TO ACHIEVE SOMETHING MATERIALLY, MAY BE NIRMAL BABA, SAI BABA THIS BABA THAT BABA IS FOR THEM.
ISKCON IS FOR THOSE WHO NO LONGER DESIRES MATERIAL BENEDICTION IN LIFE , WHO JUST CAME TO DO UNALLOYED SERVICE TO KRISHNA WITHOUT PERSONAL COMFORT
ISKCON IS TO SERVE KRISHNA WITOUT EVEN THINKING OF PERSONAL SATISFACTION
Hare Krishna Ashwani Prabhu,
People who are not fully surrendered to Lord Krishna are under the control of Maya(illusion).. They themselves cannot control their mind, they are just under the control of Maya..
ISKCON's core beliefs are based on traditional Hindu scripture. If ISKCON using any siddhi power, they would have attracted the whole world including your friend who is in darkness. When you deal with this sort of people, I feel it is must to explain about demigods and Supreme God with some past stories of Lord Krishna.
One thousand years before we had temples only for five demigods. It is said in scriptures that people should pray these deimgods only to gain more strength to surrender to Lord Krishna.. It is also mentioned in the scriptures how to pray and what and all to ask.
Also, there are so many facts about ISKCON:
- ISKCON also has noble ideals than Mother Teresa's sisters of charity. In an interview she said if government impose anti conversion law she would choose Africa instead India to serve while other hand ISKCON silently served millions by providing water, food and shelter in Africa, Philippines, South America and many countries of broken USSR - even if we count on turnouts of ISKCON believers in these countries it is less than a percent.
- ISKCON saved lakhs of cow from slaughter houses.
- More than 1.3 million childrens in India are not in hungry today. ISKCON feeds food to them.
You could also share the below links to your friend:
http://www.saraswatifilms.org/movies.php
http://iskconchennai.tripod.com/myths.html
http://www.salagram.net/not-a-cult.html#Is the Hare Krishna Movemen...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQZFS9Hij0M
http://dashdot.blogspot.com/2005/12/iskcon-myth-and-reality.html
There are so many facts we can list about ISKCON so that people will realize about their conception. They simply talk; never worry whether it is fact or not, but simply talk nonsense.
However, It is our responsibility to explain them in all the possible ways. After all, if they don't accept then it is better not to discuss about ISKCON anymore. This sort of people always prefer to hear from Sudra's. So, they will not accept the fact even if it is happening in front of their eyes.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
Your eternal servant,
Karthick
please ask that person about his daily life style Ashwani Prabhu!
Let us know what he eats, when he goes to sleep, what he wears, does he watch TV, how many girl friends does he have, how many eggs he eats per day or how many chickens, what he drinks, what time he wakes up, what is he doing for God, then we will talk with him and discuss about ISKCON.
Otherwise, why to loose time and energy? It says that it is an offense to preach about the glories of the Holy Names to a faithless person (9th offense).
Once explained, does not listen, twice no response, trice...then we will only pray for him.
THE FIRST AND FOREMOST THING TO KNOW THE PERSON'S QUALITY IS THAT DOES HE CRITICIZE OTHERS. If he does it without any reason then why to loose time for him?
We will accept words of those who control their senses-swamis rather then those who are godasas-servants of the senses.
Your servant,
Hare Krishna Ashwini Prabhuji, This discussion needs senior devotees to provide their views to lovingly convince or explain to the new devotee otherwise this discussion thread may only lead to bitter feelings on either end that is detrimental to Krishna-Bhakthi which is the most important goal of devotees.
In loving service to Bhagavan and Bhagavathas,
Suresh