My Dearest and Beloved Devotees,
Please accept my humble obeisance. All glories to Srila Prabhupada,
I want to know,
Is this universe finite or infinite??
If finite then what is beyond that?
If infinite, then how Krishna created this universe. Infinite means something that cannot be defined. Krishna has enormous power, we know, but that power could be INSUFFICIENT for Krishna to create this infinite universe because it is infinite. whatever power/ energy you put, that will be less sufficient. isn't it?
Scientifically how it is possoble to create an infinite universe.
I know there's Krishna's supreme enrgy which created this universe but scienfically how did he create since it is infinite..
I am eagerfully waiting for the reply, Thank you very much in advance and forgive me if i hurt any of my dearest friends.
My best regards ever,
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Hare Krishna Hari Bol Jai Srila Prabhupada!
infinity * 3 = infinity. So we should not be suprised that material and spiritual universes are infinite. Spiritual world is 3 times the material world.
But consider [1,2] there are infinite real numbers in this set. But we know it is nothing before whole universal set of numbers (-infinity,+infinity). Therefore, it is said that mahat tattva is like an insignificant dark area in spiritual sky.
Digest 191B: Assigning measurement to the immeasurable?
Q. It is described that the individual spirit spark measures less than 1/10,000th the tip of a hair. How is it that something spiritual has a material measurement? Wouldn't this mean that the spiritual sky has limited material dimensions also?
This is one of the many inconceivable attributes of the soul. The scriptures themselves describe the soul as immeasurable (aprameyasya; see BG 2.18) and then also assign a measurement to it! It is not even possible for us to see or perceive the soul, what to speak of measure it by any means. And yet, although impossible to measure, we can know this dimension to be true, a perfect description of the reality of the soul, because it is given by shastric evidence. [as quoted from Svetasvatara Upanishad in BG 2.17p]
These verses describing the size of the soul also give us an idea of the infinitesimal nature of the soul, and yet simultaneously it is not a gross material or perceivable measurement.
We can think of a slightly different example to get some idea of the nature of spiritual dimensions. Scriptures also describe the Supersoul as being situated in the heart of the living entity, and measuring the size of a thumb. Does this measurement limit Krishna's unlimited form, or does it mean this shastric statement is not to be taken literally? The answer to both questions is negative - the Paramatma is both unlimited as well as measuring thumb-high in the heart of the living entity--- this is inconceivable. Similarly, in the Damodara-lila (which Vaishnavas around the world are celebrating and glorifying each day during this entire month of Kartika by singing the Damodarastakam prayers), the child-like form of Krishna could not be bound by any length of mother Yashoda's ropes. Thus, describing Krishna's height or form does not limit or restrict Him as also His presence in one place does not mean He is confined to that location and is not all-pervasive. Of course, the characteristics of the minute soul cannot be equally compared to that of the inconceivable potencies of the Infinite Supreme Lord, still being of the same spiritual nature, the spirit soul has inconceivable qualities. Thus the spirit soul, residing in the material body, is the size of one-ten-thousandth of the tip of a hair, but not materially limited by such a dimension.
From HH Romapada Swami
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm
not sure about the universe."
-- Albert Einstein
Erratum:
The universal set of objects is finite but unbounded, and the
universal set of concepts is infinite but bounded. These two
orthogonal sets together form a universal set that is infinite and
unbounded.
In SB 5.20 chapter the structure of universe is described.
After that In SB 5.21.1 :
Śukadeva Gosvāmī said: My dear King, I have thus far described the diameter of the universe [fifty crores of yojanas, or four billion miles] and its general characteristics, according to the estimations of learned scholars.
Such a figure eventhough measured as 4 billion miles is infinite in practical sense.
Material science has not been developed to even understand the creation. They are trying since long time, but no success. Only tax payers money wasted.
However as clarified in sb 5.21.1, the spiritual scientists have already estimated all the amazing figures and described the creation of universe. So instead of taking knowledge from them, the material scientists are trying to reinvent the wheel. (Eg:- A young intelligent scientist believe and uses the studies of previous experienced scientists result. He will not again check the presence of protons and electrons in the matter. He will try to go beyond the proton and electron or try to use the already developed study in some application.)
If krsnas power is insufficient or limited (to create the infinite), then how can he create infinitely. Hence krsna is all powerful or infinitely powerful.
Dear Puchku Prabhuji,
Below links will surely help you in clearing your doubts regarding creation.
http://www.veda.harekrsna.cz/encyclopedia/creation.htm
http://www.iskcondesiretree.net/group/stephen-knapp-sri-nandanandan...
http://ebooks.iskcondesiretree.info/pdf/Cosmology/Vedic_Creation_Tr...
http://iskconbirmingham.org/time
http://iskconofdc.org/mysteries-of-the-sacred-universe/