Initiation

All glories to Srila Prabhupada and Srila Gurudev

I was asked by a friend who has been aspiring . She was told by her guru that she was already considered his disciple and initiation was just a formal thing. She has not been formally initiated yet.

My question is is formal intiation necessary? IF you are following the teachings of your Guru and Surrendered to him is it good enough . I dont know about this concept and just need more detailed explanation.

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  • Hare Krsna! pamho agtsp

    This contradicts with what Bhaktin Maral prabhuji and Zola preetam prabhuji said but it is said in Nectar of Devotion that real connection with Krsna is not established until a devotee is initiated by a guru. 

    I am not sure if we must take this statement with some deeper understanding.

    Thought I should share it. Please forgive me if I make a mistake.

    • Volunteer

      Hare Krishna Krsna's servant prabhu/mataji

      Humble obeisances AGTSP!

      What you said is correct we need a guru to reestablish our relation with Krishna. Initiation means accepting the discipline of the guru. And in any case initiation is only the beginning. If you look the word up in the dictionary it will say something like beginning. So the initiation is only the beginning of ones devotional life. When one is initiated, he must follow all the 4 regulative principals and chant 16 rounds daily.  But if we do not agree to follow even the most basic things like chanting 16 rounds of the Hare Krishna mantra daily and following the four regulative principles there is no initiation. Even if one has taken initiation from Srila Prabhupada that is no guarantee he is actually initiated. We all have free will. Unless we actually surrender to the spiritual master, even if we had lots of personal association with Srila Prabhupada and accepted formal initiation from him, if we don’t actually surrender to him, there is no initiation at all. So as Maral mataji said initiation takes place in the heart. If we commit to a guru and follow all the guidelines given by Him, it means we are His disciple. Nectar of Devotion says that real connection with Krishna is not establish until we approach a guru. In this turbulant world we can hardly follow anything sincerely if we don't have a role modle or inspiration and if we'r not ordered to do so. So when we get initiated, it means to promise to sincerely follow the guidelines of the guru and obey Him. Not that only if we'r formally initiated without following any regulative rules we can go back home. Hope this helps

      Your servant

  • Hare Krsna AGTSP

    Like your reply Bhaktin Maral.:)

    Arjuna was not formally intitiated by Krsna and yet the supreme science was passed on through him yet again. He was intelligent enough to surrender to Krsna and so must we to the spiritual master who is the representative of Krsna.

    Chapter 4 verse 34 of Bhagavad Gita As It Is:

    "Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire from him submissively and render service unto him. The self realized souls can impart knowledge unto you because they have seen the truth."

    It is also important for the disciplic succession not to be broken for the truth appears to get lost. Hence the importance of formal initiation.

    Chapter 4 verse 2 of BG:

    "This supreme science was thus received through the chain of disciplic succession, and the saintly kings understood it in that way. But in course of time the succession was broken, and therefore the science as it is appears to be lost."

  • Volunteer

    Hare Krishna Prabhuji, please accept my humble obeisances! All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

    It is true many of Gurus have many aspiring disciples because of that formal initiation waits for many years. But i was told by a senior Devotee that in order to go to Goloka Dham no need for formal initiation if we are sincere. Real initiation takes place in the heart. As her Gurdev told her.

    He already accepted her as a disciple but only formalities are left.

    Even if we do not get formal initiation but remain faithful to the mercy of Guru and Krishna then Krishna will take us to His abode. And Guru also will help us to go to Him.

    But we should try our best to serve nicely so that even formal initiation take place.

    Your servant, 

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