How could we know of Krishna as swayam Bhagawan?

How could we not became the puppet in the hands of Apsampradaya ?

How we come to know the process of the love for Godhead ?

How could we find devotee association in such a vast scale ?

 

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  • Hare Krsna Rahul Prabhu
    I am very glad.
    Just for the sake of continuing this discussion which is yielding so many valuable inputs from the devotees.
    I will attempt to answer your third question.
    How we come to know the process of the love for Godhead?
    For that I will take refuge in the Sri Caitanya Caritamrta, by Srila Krsnadasa Kaviraja Goswami and presented in the english format by his divine grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.

    There is a beautiful chapter describing Sri Madhavendra Puri's devotional service. Chapter 4 of Madhya Lila

    Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu said "Such behavior exhibited in loving service between the devotee and the devotee's lovable object, Sri Krsna, is transcendental. It is not possible for a common man to understand. Common men do not even have the capacity."

    After saying this, Lord Caitanya Mahprabhu read the famous verse of Madhavendra Puri. That verse is just like the moon. It has spread illumination all over the world.

    Continuous rubbing increases the aroma of Malaya sandalwood. Similarly, consideration of this verse increases one's understanding of its importance.

    As the Kaustubha-mani is considered the most precious of valuable stones, this verse is similarly considered the best of poems dealing with the mellows of devotional service.

    Actually this verse was spoken by Srimati Radharani Herself, and by her mercy only was it manifest in the words of Madhavendra Puri.

    Only Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu has tasted the poetry of this verse. No fourth man is capable of understanding it.
    Purport
    This indicates that only Srimati Radharani, Madhavendra Puri and Caitanya Mahaprabhu are capable of understanding the purport of this verse.

    Madhavendra Puri recited this verse again and again at the end of his material existence. Thus uttering this verse, he attained the ultimate goal of life.

    "ayi dina-dayardra natha he
    mathura-natha kadavalokyase
    hrdayam tvad-aloka-kataram
    dayita bhramyati kim karomy aham"

    "O My Lord! O most merciful master! O master of Mathura! When shall I see You again? Because of my not seeing you, My agitated heart has become unsteady. O most beloved one, what shall I do now?"
    Purport
    The uncontaminated devotees who strictly depend on the Vedanta philosophy are divided into four sampradayas, or transcendental parties. Out of the four sampradayas, the Sri Madhavacarya-sampradaya was accepted by Madhavendra Puri. Thus he took sannyasa according to parampara, the disciplic succession. Begining from Madhavacarya down to the spiritual master of Madhavedra Puri, the acarya named Laksmipati, there was no realization of devotional service in conjugal love. Sri Madhavendra Puri introduced the conception of conjugal love for the first time in the Madhavacarya-sampradaya, and this conclusion of the Madhavacarya-sampradaya was revealed by Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu when he toured southern India and met the Tattvavadis, who supposedly belonged to the Madhavacarya-sampradaya.
    When Sri Krsna left Vrandavana and accepted the kingdom of Mathura, Srimati Radharani out of ecstatic feelings of separation, expressed how Krsna can be loved in separation. Thus devotional service in separation is central to this verse. Worship in separation is considered by the Gaudiya-Madhva-sampradaya to be the topmost level of devotional service. According to this conception the devotee thinks of himself as very poor and neglected by the Lord. Thus he addresses the Lord as dina-dayardra natha, as did Madhavendra Puri. Such an ecstatic feeling is the highest form of devotional service. Because Krsna has gone to Mathura, Srimati Radharani was very much affected, and she expressed Herself thus:"My dear Lord, because of your separation My mind has become overly agitated. Now tell Me, what can i do? I am very poor and You are very merciful, so kindly have compassion upon Me and let Me know when I shall see you." Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu was always expressing the ecstatic emotions of Srimati Radharani that She exhibited when She saw Uddhava at Vrandavana. Similar feelings, experienced by Madhavendra Puri, are expressed in this verse. Therefore, Vaisnavas in the Gaudiya-Madhva-Sampradaya say that the ecstatic feelings experienced by Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu during his appearance came from Sri Madhavendra Puri through Isvara Puri. All the devotees in the line of the Gaudiya-Madhva-sampradaya accept these principles of devotional service.
  • Hare Krsna Dear Rahul Prabhu
    It seems our discussion didn't turn out as what we might have intended in the beginning.
    Still it is valuable.
    I feel Prabhupada would greatly appreciate our honest efforts.
    He is always there for our guidance and to think of being without him is unbearable. Don't you think so?
    Sometimes things don't turn out the way we want them to.
    But we have a right to perform devotional service just like any other activity.
    So let us not focus on the results but on the activity.
    Krsna would be most pleased.
  • Volunteer

    these pastimes just gives me the chills because they are so wonderful. 

    It seems Prabhupada was Rupa Manjari

    http://www.iskcondesiretree.net/forum/topics/srila-prabhupada

     

    The below table seems to get cut off, see herefor the full translation)

    To add more about Srila Prabhupada, here is one of his poems from the Jaladutta:

    The poem, “Prayer to the Lotus feet of Krsna”, was written on September 13th 1965, in the middle of the Atlantic ocean. Three days earlier Srila Prabhupada writes in his ship diary,” Today the ship is plying very smoothly. I feel today better. But I am feeling separation of Sri Vrndavana and my Lords Sri Govinda, Gopinath, Radha-Damodara. My only solace is Sri Caitanya-caritamrta in which I am tasting the nectar of Lord Caitanya’s lila. I have left Bharat-bhumi just to execute the order of Sri Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati in pursuance of Lord Caitanya’s order. I have no qualification but I have taken up the risk just to carry out the order of His Divine Grace. I depend fully on Their mercy so far away from Vrndavan”. Three days later, in this mood of pure devotion, His Divine Grace composed the following prayer. 

     

     

    (refrain)

    Kŗşņa taba puŋya habe bhāi 
    e-puŋya koribe jabe rādhārāŋī kushī habe
    dhruva ati  boli tomā tāi

    I emphatically say to you, O brother, you will obtain your good fortune from the Supreme Lord Krsna only when Srimati Radhrani becomes pleased with you

    (1)

    śrī-siddhānta saraswatī śacī-śuta priya ati 
    Kŗşņa-sebāya jăra tula nāi
    sei se mohānta-guru jagater madhe uru
    kŗşņa-bhakti dey ţhăi ţhăi

    Sri Srimad Bhakti siddhanta Sarasvati Thakura, who is very Dear to Lord Gauranga, the son of mother Saci, is unparalleled in his service to the supreme Lord Sri Krsna. He is that great saintly spiritual master who bestows intense devotion to Krsna at different places throughout the world.

    (2)

    tāra icchā balavān pāscātyete thān thān 
    hoy jāte gaurānger nām
    prthivite nagarādi āsamudra nada nadi
    sakalei loy kŗşŋa nām

    By his strong desire, the holy name of Lord Gauranga will spread throughout all the countries of the western world. In all the cities, towns and villages on the earth, from all the oceans, seas rivers and streams, everyone will chant the holy name of Krsna.

    (3)

    tāhale ānanda hoy tabe  hoy digvijay 
    caitanyer krpā atisay
    māyā dustajata duhkhi jagate sabai  sukhi
    vaişŋaver icchā pūrna hoy

    As the vast mercy of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu conquers all directions a flood of transcendental ecstasy will certainly cover the land. When all the sinful, miserable living entities become happy, the Vaisnavas’ desire is then fulfilled.

    (4)

     se kārjaje  koribare ājnā jadi dilo more
    jogya nahi ati dina hina
     tai se tomāra krpā māgitechi anurūpā
    āji tumi sabār pravina

    Although my Guru Maharaja ordered me to accomplish this mission, I am not worthy or fit to do it. I am very fallen and insignificant. Therefore, O Lord, now I begging for Your mercy so that I may become worthy, for You are the wisest and most experienced of all.

    (5)

      tomāra se śaktipele guru-sebayā bastu mile
    jivana sārhtak jadi hoy
    sei se  sebā  pāile tāhale sukhi hale
     taba sańga bhāgyate miloy

    If You bestow Your power , by serving the spiritual master one attains the Absolute Truth – one’s life becomes sucessful. If that service is obtained, then one becomes happy and gets Your association due to good fortune.

    (6)

    evam janam nipatitam prabhavāhi-kupe
    kāmābhikamām anu yah prapatan prasangāt
    Krtvatmasāt surarsinā bhagavan grhitah
    so ‘ham katham nu visrje tava bhrtya-sevām

    “My dear Lord, O Supreme Personality of Godhead, because of my association with material desires, one after another, I was gradually  falling into a blind well full of snakes, following the general populace. But Your servant Narada Muni kindly accepted me as his disciple and instructed me how to achieve this transcendental position. Therefore, my first duty is to serve him. How could I leave his service?” |Prahlada Maharaja to Lord Nrsimhadeva, Srimad-Bhagavatam 7.9.28]

    (7)

    tumi mor cira sāthi bhuliyā māyār lāthi
    khāiyāchi janma-janmāntare
    āji punah e sujoga jadi hoy jogājoga
    tabe pāri tuhe milibāre

    O lord Krsna, you are my eternal companion. Forgetting You , I have suffered the kicks of maya birth after birth.  If today the chance to meet You occurs again, then I will surely be able to rejoin you.

    (8)

    tomāra milane bhāi ābār se sukha pāi
    gocārane ghuri din bhor
    kata bane chutāchuti bane khai lutāputi
    sei din kabe habe mor

    O dear friend, in Your company I will experience great joy once  again. In the early morning I will wander about the cowherd pastures and fields. Running and frolicking in the many forests of Nraja,  I will roll on the ground in spiritual ecstasy. Oh, when will that day be mine?

    (9)

    āji se  subidhane tomāra smarana bhelo 
    boro āsā dākliām tāi
    āmi tomāra nitya-dāsa tāi kori eta āśa
    tumi binā anya gati nāi

    Today that remembrance of You came to me in a very nice way. Because I have great longing I called to You. I am your eternal servant and therefore I desire Your association so much. O Lord Krsna, except for You there is no other means of success.

    If you think about this poem and the underlying meanings and significance, it's simply beautfiul

  • Volunteer

    some parts got cut off, so I will just add it as a new post

  • Gadadhara Pandit's pure ecstatic love for Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu was also very deep. It was like that of Rukminidevi, who was always especially submissive to Krsna. Text 144 CC Antya 7
  • 66. Jagadananda Pandit Satyabhama
    Caitanya Caritamrta Antya Lila Chapter 7 "Lord Caitanya meets Vallabha Bhatta"
    Text 142
    Jagadananda Pandit's pure ecstatic love for Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu was very deep. It can be compared to the love of Satyabhama, who always quarreled with Lord Krsna.
  • Volunteer

    please prabhu let's not delete this thread. we are all providing such wonderful teachings and such wonderful pastimes. It will all be lost because a few people misunderstanding. 

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    Was looking for some other interesting pastimes and came across this website:

    http://www.stephen-knapp.com/Brahma_Madhva_Gaudiya_Disciplic_Succes...

    Srila Raghunatha Bhatta Gosvami (1505 A.D. to 1579 A.D.) met Sri Caitanya when He visited Varanasi and stayed at the house of Tapana Mishra, the father of Raghunatha Bhatta. Raghunatha was just a boy, but washed the Lord's dishes and massaged His legs. When he grew to a young man, he visited Lord Caitanya at Jagannatha Puri for eight months. Later, the Lord ordered him to go to Vrindavana under the care of Srila Rupa Gosvami. By regular recitation of the Srimad-Bhagavatam for Rupa Gosvami, Raghunatha Bhatta attained perfectional love of Krishna. Srila Raghunatha Bhatta Gosvami's spiritual identity is Raga Manjari. Her service is painting in the spiritual abode. His history is more fully explained in the Caitanya-caritamrita (Adi-lila, 10.154 onwards).

    Srila Gopala Bhatta Gosvami (1503 A.D. to 1578 A.D.) formerly belonged to the Ramanuja sampradaya, but joined the Gaudiya sampradaya. When Lord Caitanya toured South India, He stayed four months at the house of Venkata Bhatta, Gopal Bhatta's father. During that time Gopal Bhatta served the Lord and was later initiated by his uncle, the great sannyasi Prabodhananda Sarasvati. He went to Vrindavana and was cared for by Sanatana and Rupa Gosvami. He also established the Radharamana Deity in Vrindavana and accepted Srinivasa Acharya and Gopinatha Pujari as two of his disciples. Srila Gopala Bhatta Gosvami is an incarnation of Ananga Manjari or Guna Manjari. She performs the service of offering water to Sri Sri Radha and Krishna. (Cc.Adi-lila, 10.105.pur.)

    Raghunatha dasa Gosvami (1495 A.D. to 1571 A.D.) came from a family of Vaishnavas. Although he was a family man, he had no attachment for it. Though his father and uncle put up guards to prevent him from leaving, Raghunatha still managed to escape and meet Lord Caitanya at Jagannatha Puri. He went on to write three books, the Stava-mala (Stavavali), Dana-carita and Mukta-carita. He lived a long time, residing mostly at Radha Kunda near Vrindavana. He gave up most eating and sleeping, and was only concerned with chanting the holy names of Krishna. His eyes were always full of tears of ecstasy. Srila Raghunatha Dasa Gosvami is the incarnation of Rasa Manjari, or sometimes called Rati Manjari or Tulasi Manjari. She messages the feet of Sri Sri Radha and Krishna. (His story is found in Caitanya-caritamrita, Adi-lila.10.91)

    Srila Rupa Gosvami (1489 A.D. to 1564 A.D.) was directly instructed by Lord Caitanya. His writings were extensive and quite advanced, many of which have been used as the foundation of the standards the Gaudiya Vaishnavas continue to follow. His writings include the Vidagdha-madhavaLalita-madhavaBhakti-rasamrita-sindhuUjjvala-nilamani, and others. Srila Rupa Gosvami is the incarnation of Sri Rupa Manjari. In the spiritual realm of Goloka Vrindavana she engages in offering golden colored betel nuts to Their Lordships.

    Srila Sanatana Gosvami (1488 A.D. to 1558 A.D.) was also directly instructed by Lord Caitanya. He established temples in Vrindavana and wrote several prominent books and commentaries, such as Brihad-BhagavatamritaHari-bhakti-vilasaVaishnava-toshani (commentary on the 10th Canto of the Srimad-Bhagavatam), and Brihad-vaishnava-toshani (full commentary on the Bhagavatam). Srila Sanatana Gosvami is Lavanga or Lila Manjari, sometimes called Rati Manjari, one of the leaders of Srimati Radharani's maidservants. Her service is offering garlands of cloves to Their Lordships. (Cc.Adi-lila.10.84.pur)

    Another associate of Lord Caitanya is Srila Lokanatha Gosvami, who is an incarnation of Manjulali Manjari. Her service is assisting Sri Sri Radha and Krishna in dressing.

    Other associates of Lord Caitanya are the sakhis in the spiritual world. For example, Svarupa Damodara is an incarnation Lalita Sakhi, also called Anuradha, one of the nitya-sakhis. Her service includes offering betel nuts for the pleasure of Sri Sri Radha and Krishna.

    The person known as Govindananda is Chitra Sakhi. Her spiritual service is offering garlands of cloves to Sri Sri Radha and Krishna.

    Basu Ramananda is the sakhi known as Indurekha. She offers the Divine Couple honey in the spiritual realm.

    Shivananda Sena is the incarnation of Champakalata. Her special service is to offer jewels and waving the camara fan for their Lordships.

    Govinda Ghosh is the incarnation of Rangadevi. Her service is to offer sandalwood pulp.

    Vakreshvara Pandit is an incarnation of Tungavidya Sakhi. Her special service is singing and dancing for the pleasure of Sri Sri Radha and Krishna.

    Vasudeva Ghosh is the incarnation of Sudevi, the twin sister of Tungavidya. Her special service is in offering water.

    Ramananda Raya, the person who had the conversation with Lord Caitanya which revealed the highest ideals of spiritual devotional sentiment, has been identified as an incarnation of Visakha Gopi, one of the param-prestha sakhis. Her service in the spiritual realm is to decorate Sri Sri Radha-Krishna with cloths and ornaments. Visakha Gopi would have been the perfect person to help Lord Caitanya reveal the highest levels of service to Srimati Radharani. However, Kavikarnapura has identified Ramananda Raya as Lalita Sakhi, as well as priyanarma sakha Arjuna and pure sambandhi Pandava Arjuna. As Pandava Arjuna, some feel that the conversation between Ramananda and Lord Caitanya is the reenactment of speaking the Bhagavad-gita, but with the roles of teacher and student reversed, and with higher spiritual truths being revealed regarding the devotional love capable of being developed by a devotee.

    Other associates of Lord Caitanya include Sikhi Mahiti, who was formerly Ragalekha, an assistant of Srimati Radharani.

    Gauridasa Pandita, was an incarnation of Lord Krishna's friend Subala, according to the Gaura-ganoddesap-dipika.

    Haridas Thakura was the incarnation of Lord Brahma. It was after Lord Brahma's humble prayers to take birth and become an associate of the Lord in His earthly pastimes did Brahma become blessed to appear as Haridasa Thakura. He was the notedacharya of the chanting of the holy names of the Lord, specifically in the form of the Hare Krishna maha-mantra. He used to chant the Lord's holy names 300,000 times a day.

    Vasudeva Datta was the incarnation of Prahlada Maharaja.

    Raghunatha Vaidya was formerly Revati, the wife of Lord Balarama.

    Kashi Mishra was formerly the hunchback, Kubja, during Krishna's time.

    Bhavananda Raya was formerly Pandu, and his five sons, namely Ramananda Raya, Pattanayaka Gopinatha, Kalanidhi, Subhanidhi, and Nayaka Vaninatha, were formerly the five Pandavas.

    Lord Caitanya's family brother, Vishvarupa, son of Jagannatha Mishra, was an incarnation of Baladeva, Krishna's brother.

    Sarvabhauma Bhattacharya, one of the greatest logicians at the time, wanted to teach Lord Caitanya Vedanta, but after hearing Lord Caitanya's explanation, he became His student. It is recognized that Sarvabhauma was an incarnation of the great sage Brihashpati. Gopinatha Acharya, husband of the sister of Sarvabhauma, was formerly the gopi in the spiritual world named Ratnavali.

    King Prataparudra was previously King Indradyumna who had established the Jagannatha temple in Puri many hundreds of years previous. He later took birth again in his own family to participate in Lord Caitanya's pastimes as King Prataparudra.

    Jagai and Madhai, the ruffians who threatened Lord Nityananda and Hari Thakura, were formerly the two gatekeepers of Vaikuntha, Jaya and Vijaya, who were also Hiranyaksha and Hiranyakashipu in previous incarnations.

    He has also provided a wonderful list

    Gaura Lila                                                                              Krishna Lila

    1. Sacinandana Gaurahari Caitanya Mahaprabhu                     Syamasundara, Sri Krishna

    2. Sacimata                                                                                     Yasodamayi

    3. Jagannatha Misra                                                                       Nanda Maharaja 

    4. Laksmipriya                                                                                 Janaki & Rukmini

    5. Vishnupriya                                                                                  Bhu Devi

    6. Nityananda Rama                                                                       Lord Balarama

    7. Hadai Pandita                                                                             Vasudeva

    8. Padmavati                                                                                   Rohini

    9. Jahnava Mata                                                                              Ananga Manjari

    10. Vasudha                                                                                     Varuni Devi

    11. Biracandra                                                                             Kshirodakashayi Vishnu

    12. Ganga Devi                                                                                Ganga Mayi

    13. Advaita Prabhu                                                                  Sadashiva / Mahavishnu

    14. Sita Devi                                                                                     Yogamaya

    15. Gadadhara Pandita                                                                   Srimati Radharani

    16. Srivasa Thakura                                                                         Narada Muni

    17. Malini Devi                                                                                  Ambika Devi

    18. Pundarika Vidyanidhi                                                                Vrishabhanu Maharaja

    19. Mukunda Dasa                                                                           Vrinda Devi

    20. Saranga Thakura                                                                       Nandimukhi

    21. Govinda Acarya                                                                         Paurnamasi

    22. Svarupa Damodara                                                                   Lalita Sakhi

    23. Raya Ramananda                                                                      Visakha Sakhi

    24. Govindanandana Thakura                                                         Citra Sakhi

    25. Ramananda Vasu                                                                      Indulekha Sakhi

    26. Sivananda Sena                                                                         Campakalata Sakhi

    27. Vakresvara Pandita                                                                   Tungavidya Sakhi

    28. Govinda Ghosa                                                                           Rangadevi Sakhi

    29. Vasudeva Ghosa                                                                        Sudevi Sakhi

    30. Raghava Pandita                                                                        Dhanistha Sakhi

    31. Rupa Gosvami                                                                            Rupa Manjari

    32. Raghunatha Dasa Gosvami                                                      Rati Manjari

    33. Sanatana Gosvami                                                                     Lavanga Manjari

    34. Jiva Gosvami                                                                               Vilasa Manjari

    35. Raghunatha Bhatta Gosvami                                                     Rasa Manjari

    36. Gopal Bhatta Gosvami                                                               Guna Manjari

    37. Lokanatha Gosvami                                                                    Manjulali Manjari

    38. Krishnadasa Kaviraja Gosvami                                                 Kasturi Manjari

    39. Ramacandra Puri                                                                        Jatila Gopi

    40. Kholavecha Sridhara                                                                  Madhumangala Sakha

    41. Narahari Sarkara                                                                        Madhumati Sakhi

    42. Gauridasa Pandita                                                                     Subala Sakha

    43. Abhirama Thakura                                                                      Sridama Sakha

    44. Sikhi Mahiti                                                                                  Ragalekha Sakhi

    45. Madhavi Mahiti                                                                            Kalakeli Sakhi

    46. Sarvabhauma Bhattacarya                                                        Brihaspati Maharaja

    47. Paramananda Puri                                                                     Uddhava Mahasaya

    48. Keshava Bharati                                                                         Akrura / Sandipani Muni

    49. Jagai & Madhai                                                                          Jaya & Vijaya

    50. Gopinatha Acharya                                                                    Caturmukha Brahma

    51. Haridasa Thakura                                                                      Prahlada / Brahma

    52. Nilambara Cakravarti                                                                Garga Acharya

    53. Devananda Pandita                                                                   Bhaguri Rishi

    54. Gangadasa                                                                                 Durvasa Muni

    55. Vrindavana Dasa Thakura                                                        Vedavyasa

    56. Vallabha Bhatta                                                                          Sukadeva Gosvami

    57. Madhavendra Puri   

    58. Isvara Puri

    59. Narottama Dasa Thakura                                                          Champaka Manjari

    60. Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura                                                 Vinoda-Vallari Manjari

    61. Jagannatha Dasa Babaji                                                           Rasika Manjari

    62. Bhaktivinoda Thakura                                                                 Kamala Manjari

    63. Gaurakishora Dasa Babaji                                                        Guna Manjari

    64. Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati                                                         Nayana-Mani Manjari

    65. A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada                                 -----   Manjari

    I heard about a few in lectures, but this is a truly memorizing list

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  • Volunteer

    Hare Krishna. Dandavat to all devotees. All glories to Srila Prabhupada

    Glorifying means Kirtanam and Kirtanam is one of the process out of 9 limbs (Sravanam, Kirtanam, Visnu Smaranam)of Bhakti.  Sa vai manah krsna-padāravindayor vacāmsi vaikuntha-gunānuvarnane , Ambarisha maharaja said. Disciple Glorify Guru out of Love and gratitude. If we see our pre KC life our mind would filled with horror. If Prabhupada would not have been there we would have been sink more n more into the material darkness. By glorifying devotees and Guru the envy from our heart fades away. Without Glorifying one can't progress an iota in devotional service infact Bhakti is all about Glorifying "Vaikuntha Gunanuvarnan".

    I think few have misunderstood the question of Rahul Prabhuji. Here Rahul Prabhuji's intention was to glorify Srila Prabhupada. Where the question of mental speculation comes. There is no need to make things complicated.

    Your servant

    Hari Bol

  • Hare Krsna All glories to Srila Prabhupada
    na tv evaham jatu nasam na tvam neme janadhipah
    na caiva na bhavisyamah sarve vayam atah param
    Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.Bg 2.12
    The same truth applies to you, me and Srila Prabhupada. So there is no question of us not existing in the first place.
  • San Francisco/India 1967
    Devotees worried, speculating on whether they would carry on without Swamiji. One devotee suggested that perhaps one of Swamiji's Godbrothers should come to America and fill in for Swamiji and,if the worst happened, take over the leadership of ISKCON. When the suggestion reached Prabhupada, he considered it without immediately replying.
    Mukunda: I was sitting alone with Swamiji in his room, and he was very grave and silent. His eyes were closed. Then, suddenly, tears began flowing from his eyes. And he said in a choked voice," My spiritual master was no ordinary spiritual master." Then he paused for some time, and wiping the tears from his cheeks, he said in an even more choked voice," He saved me." At that point I began to understand the meaning of "spiritual master" and dropped all consideration of ever replacing Swamiji.
    After two days Prabhupada said he would not call any of his godbrothers to come and take over his disciples. He said,"If this person speaks just one word different from what I am speaking, there will be great confusion among you." Actually, he said, the idea was an insult to the spiritual master.
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