Hare Krsna dear devotees
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The Lord has referred to matter as His inferior energy and elsewhere as His separated energy. Then how can He be present in every atom as the four handed Visnu form as we see in one of the picture illustrations with electrons encircling a Visnu form?
If He was so present then shouldn't matter be conscious?
Hari bol
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Hare Kṛṣṇa Prabhu 🙏
Hari bol. Yes, I understand the question now.
If we speak specifically of the dead body, then there is no separate role being performed by Paramātmā inside that corpse. Paramātmā is the Supersoul accompanying the jīva within the living body, witnessing, giving remembrance, knowledge and forgetfulness, and sanctioning the jīva's activities.
When the jīva leaves at death, that particular body becomes an inert manifestation of the Lord's bahiraṅgā-śakti. Therefore, we should not conceive of Paramātmā as remaining inside the corpse and continuing the same functions there.
The Lord of course remains present everywhere as the Supreme Lord and all material energy remains under His control, but the Paramātmā relationship with that particular jīva and body has ended.
So the answer to “What is the role of Paramātmā inside the dead body?” would be: there is no Paramātmā function being performed in the dead body as there was when the jīva was embodied in it. 🙏
Hare Kṛṣṇa.
Hare Krsna Mataji
Whatever exists in this world is the ' energy ' of the Kshirodakshayi Vishnu. He is the energetic Person (3rd Purusha-avatara).
He is in His Personal form in the Svetadvipa within this universe.
At this point we must also remember that no one can separate the energy from the energetic.
(Krsna got separated from the gopis but that was not real separation since it was kept alive in the rememberance of the gopis and in the rememberance of Krsna.)
The Lord is in everything since everything is the energy of the energetic.
Hari bol
I agree with you Keshava das prabhu but I don't agree to that if Jiva leaves, Kshirodakshaya Vishnu also leaves the body.
I also find it absurb that you are saying Kshirodakshya Vishnu what for is waiting after jiva leaving " to be cremated".
Hare Krsna Mataji
What about this understanding!
" The constitution of Brahman is immortality, imperishability, eternity, and happiness.
Brahman is the beginning of transcendental realization.
Paramatma, the Supersoul, is the middle, the second stage in transcendental realization, and the Supreme Personality of Godhead is the ultimate realization of the Absolute truth. Therefore, both Paramatma and the impersonal Brahman are within the Supreme Person. "
Bhagavad-gita As It Is 14.27 PURPORT
Hare Krsna Nishant Ranjan Prabhu
It is nice that you are trying to see Paramatma everywhere. The touch of Paramatma is the ultimate spiritual touch in the material world.
" It is explained in the Seventh Chapter that material nature is the manifestation of the inferior energy of the Supreme Lord.
The Lord impregnates the inferior, material nature with fragments of the superior nature, and that is the spiritual ' touch ' in the material nature. "
Bhagavad-gita As It Is 14.27 PURPORT
Hari bol
Your understanding is right! @Nishant Ranjan prabhu.
Hare Krishna,
Lord is present even in the coprse, Lord is present even in the ashes when the coprse is burnt.
Kshirodakshaya Vishnu is all pervading enters the heart of the living indivual. That doesn't mean He is absent in dead matter and dead matter has no heart?
Heart of the atom is the Nucleus.
THE SIZE OF THE JIVA ( The living entity) is one ten-thousandth part of the tip of a hair, but the Lord is so inconceivably small that He enters into the heart of this particle. Therefore He is called smaller than the smallest. As the Supreme, He can enter into the atom and into the heart of the smallest organism and control him as the Supersoul. Although so small, He is still all-pervading and is maintaining everything. By Him all the planetary systems are sustained.
Lord Vāsudeva, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, by one of His plenary parts expands Himself all over the material world, and His existence can be perceived even within the atomic energy. Matter, antimatter, proton, neutron, etc., are all different effects of the Paramātmā feature of the Lord. ( 1.2.32 SB purport).
This line indicated he is present in the tiniest atom at his core that is the nucleus of the atom ( heart of the atom) as Parmatma.
Just as much as the role of Parmatma in a stone. Can you deny the fact that Parmatma is not inside a stone?
Is the stone having life? Is the stone moving on it's own. can the stone talk, respond , can it see? No but you know Lord Pervades all living and non living.
That is why the purport of 3.15.45 should be read properly.
The last line of 3.15.45 SB purport says-
The difference between ātmā and Paramātmā is that the ātmā, or the soul, is present only in a particular body, whereas the Paramātmā is present everywhere. In this connection, the example of the sun is very nice. An individual person may be situated in one place, but the sun, even though a similar individual entity, is present on the head of every individual person. ( SB 3.15.45 Purport).
Sun shines on everything living and dead.
Hare Krsna Mataji
When one understands that as sun light is present all over the universe, the Supreme is similarly present one attains the Brahman conception of the Supreme Absolute Truth.
When one goes further and reaches the surface of the sun one attains to the Paramatma realization of the Supreme Absolute Truth.
When one enters the sun and meets the predominating deity of the sun then one attains the Bhagavan realization of the Supreme Absolute Truth.
Although the Supreme Absolute Truth is one, there are three phases of realization. This is also stated.
" Brahmeti Paramatmeti Bhagavan iti sabdyate "
Also, from another point of view why would Krsna say in Bhagavad-gita 9.4 that " By Me, in My unmanifested form the entire universe is pervaded. All beings are in Me, but I am not in them. "
Since the Paramatma form is technically the Ksirodakasayi Visnu who lies down in the milk ocean within this universe, He is not the unmanifested form that Lord Krsna is talking about.
Rather the all pervading Supreme Brahman is the unmanifested form which is present everywhere. Isn't it?
Hari bol
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