Tamala Krsna: So your answer to his question, "Do you consider the message of Jesus Christ to be universal?" You say yes.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Tamala Krsna: Because he says, "Thou shalt not kill."
Prabhupada: Yes.
Tamala Krsna: But none of them are following.
Prabhupada: No, all bogus. And going on in the name of Christian.
Tamala Krsna: And he says he lived in our temples, but he is not satisfied with the Christian faith, but he is finding a great deal of satisfaction now living in our temples.
Prabhupada: First of all become Christian, that you are following all the ten commandments. "Judge not others lest you be judged."
Tamala Krsna: His second question is, "Considering that the Bible describes Jesus as the savior of the people of God, not only of Israel but of every man's sins, does it not minimize his actual position to say that he is simply an avatara, and does it not contradict the teachings of the Bible...?" First of all he says isn't that minimizing him to say that he's an avatara?
Prabhupada: We accept him as avatara, saktyavesa-avatara, empowered incarnation of God. That we accept.
Tamala Krsna: Yeah. He says, "Like any other revealed scripture, the Bible's teachings are absolute, but are they to be understood literally or symbolically, and are they applicable for all men?"
Prabhupada: Literally, not symbolically.
Tamala Krsna: He says, "What is the actual meaning of the sacrifice of the cross, Jesus dying on the cross?"
Prabhupada: It has no meaning. The people were so rascal that they attempted to kill him. Because he was speaking of God. So we can understand the pollution of the then society, how intelligent they were. He had to deal with such rascals that he was speaking about God and the result is that they wanted to kill him first. He preached, "Thou shalt not kill," and they killed him first. This is their intelligence. Now people are advanced. Those doctrines, they are not (indistinct). That's all. The answer.
Tamala Krsna: He says, "Did Jesus die on the cross to redeem all the sins of the world?"
Prabhupada: This is another sinful thought -- Jesus has taken contract for ridding your sinful activities. That's a plea, what is called plea for the sinners, that they will continue acting sinfully, and Christ will take contract to counteract. This is most sinful conviction. Instead of stopping sinful activities, we have given contract to Jesus Christ to counteract it.
Tamala Krsna: So these people are not actually getting free of their sins unless they stop sinning.
Prabhupada: Then what is the use of his preaching? They will continue sinful activities, and Jesus Christ will take contract for saving them. How nonsense idea this is! Bhavananda, do you think it is good idea?
Bhavananda: Not a good idea, Srila Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: Nonsense rascals. These people should be immediately hanged. "Our religion is very good." What is that? "We cannot stop acting sinfully, and Christ has taken contract. He will save us."
Tamala Krsna: Rascals.
Prabhupada: How rascaldom it is! Namno balad papa-buddhih. Nama-aparadha. "I am chanting Hare Krsna, so no sinful action will be." It is like that. That means "I will continue my sinful activities and become a Christian, become a Vaisnava, become a chanter."
Tamala Krsna: Nama-aparadha.
Prabhupada: See whether I am answering correct.
Tamala Krsna: Oh, you are answering very good. He gives a lot of quotations from the Bible. So I'll just read you two of them, and it is very easy to...
Prabhupada: What is the use of giving me quotations from...? We are talking about practical things.
Tamala Krsna: Yeah. The only point I was going to bring out was that it is clear how they misread the Bible. Just like one of them says, "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son, that whoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life." But you pointed out that to believe means to follow his teachings. That they don't understand. They say, "We believe in Jesus," but they don't follow his teachings.
Prabhupada: Then where is his belief? Where is the question of belief? Unless strictly follow the teachings, there is no question of belief. It is bogus principle.
Tamala Krsna: Yeah, it's all... His next question is, "The essence of Christianism is to believe that Christ is our saviour and redeemer, but the final test of one's faith in Christ rests upon one's hope that he will come back down to earth from heaven to establish his glory and his realm of justice forever. Is this second advent of his to be taken as a symbolic one, or will he actually come back?"
Prabhupada: I do not know. What does he say? What does he say? Explain.
Tamala Krsna: What does he say?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Tamala Krsna: Well, he quotes, "And then shall appear the sign of the son of man in heaven, and then shall all the tribes of earth mourn and they shall see the son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory." In other words... "And shall he send..." There is so many statements in the Bible to allude that Christ will come again.
Prabhupada: What is the harm if he comes again?
Tamala Krsna: Practically that is the whole basis of the Christians' faith is they are awaiting the day when Christ will come.
Prabhupada: For the time being, you follow what he has said. Rather, what is the use of waiting for him?
Tamala Krsna: Yeah, if you don't follow what he said, then even if he comes he won't take you. He says if that happens, if Christ comes back, what will be the position of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu and His Krsna consciousness movement? Nasty question.
Prabhupada: That you shall see when he comes.
Tamala Krsna: (laughs) That we shall see when he comes. Right. For the time being the Krsna consciousness movement is here. Next question: "What is this end of the world?" Then he says, "In your..."
Prabhupada: The world will be devastated, and everything material... Your body is there. It is being maintained, and it will be finished. Similarly, the whole world body will be done in the same way. There is no other way. It is created, it is maintained, and it is finished. Nasa. It is called nasa in Sanskrit.
Tamala Krsna: What is that, n-a-s-s, nasa?
Prabhupada: N-a-s-h-a. No-n-a-s.
Tamala Krsna: N-a-s means?
Prabhupada: Nasa means devastated, finished. Apaksaya-nasa.
Tamala Krsna: He says, "In your introduction to the Bhagavad-gita you refer to Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianism and other religious faiths as sectarian designations, but isn't Krsna consciousness just another kind of designation in order not to call it Krsna-ism, another ism?"
Prabhupada: No. That you have to understand later on.
Tamala Krsna: "What is the difference between a pure Christian, or at least a sincere one, and a sincere devotee of Krsna?"
Prabhupada: No difference.
Tamala Krsna: He says he read a passage of the Bhavisya Maha-Purana written by Vyasadeva three thousand years before Christ foretelling Jesus Christ's presence in the Himalayas in 78 of the Christian era, and his meeting with King Shalamoyi.(?) Are there any other prophecies in the Bhavisya Maha-Purana or in any other scriptures telling more accurately Jesus Christ's birthday?
Prabhupada: Everything is accurate there.
Tamala Krsna: In that particular Purana? He says he is sorry to take your very precious time, and he prays that you answer all of his questions, which you have done. So he thanks you very much for reading this letter and for your expected help. He asks one last question in a P.S., which I think is practically an important question. He says, "To practically follow Jesus Christ for a sincere searcher of the truth who does not recognize and accept the external manifestations of the Krsna consciousness movement, is it possible to attain love of God?" No.
Prabhupada: Love of God means God's mercy. If God is pleased, He can do anything. So that pleasure of God can be awakened by love. This is called in Sanskrit krpa-siddhi. Perfection out of affection. Out of mercy.
Tamala Krsna: He wants to know whether it is possible to attain that affection of love for God...
Prabhupada: No, that is not generally...
Tamala Krsna: ...without taking part in this Krsna consciousness movement.
Prabhupada: One must follow the regulative principles and refrain from sinful activities. Then it depends on Krsna's mercy. You cannot force Him to give you mercy. That is not possible. Mercy is mercy. You have to do your duty, and the mercy depends upon Him.
3n0c6x3yzlcsr > Shravn PrabhuJuly 20, 2015 at 9:10am
Hare krishna Prabhu
I didn't get my answer.. Please clear my doubt!!!
RAJASHREE.RAO > 3n0c6x3yzlcsrJuly 20, 2015 at 11:06am
Where non veg food is allowed in Christianity? Isnt one of the commandments - Thou Shall Not Kill.
Please note that the word "kill" is used, not "murder".
People eat for convenience or taste and say their religion allows them to. A plain reading by an outsider like me tells me that non veg food is not allowed.
Haribol,
Your servant,
Rashmi
3n0c6x3yzlcsr > Radha Rasamayi DDJuly 19, 2015 at 8:00pm
Hare Krishna Mataji
I am with you. But Now I am little confused. We know Muhammad is the servant of God(Allah), then why and how He was a non vegetarian. And also allows Cow(Go Mata) sacrifice. Please suggest.
Manab Mitra
RAJASHREE.RAO > Radha Rasamayi DDJuly 16, 2015 at 11:04am
Harekrishna
PAMHO
I read son of God jesus christ was pure vegetaranian............
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Prabhupada "Following Jesus Christ"
April 2, 1977
Tamala Krsna: So your answer to his question, "Do you consider the message of Jesus Christ to be universal?" You say yes.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Tamala Krsna: Because he says, "Thou shalt not kill."
Prabhupada: Yes.
Tamala Krsna: But none of them are following.
Prabhupada: No, all bogus. And going on in the name of Christian.
Tamala Krsna: And he says he lived in our temples, but he is not satisfied with the Christian faith, but he is finding a great deal of satisfaction now living in our temples.
Prabhupada: First of all become Christian, that you are following all the ten commandments. "Judge not others lest you be judged."
Tamala Krsna: His second question is, "Considering that the Bible describes Jesus as the savior of the people of God, not only of Israel but of every man's sins, does it not minimize his actual position to say that he is simply an avatara, and does it not contradict the teachings of the Bible...?" First of all he says isn't that minimizing him to say that he's an avatara?
Prabhupada: We accept him as avatara, saktyavesa-avatara, empowered incarnation of God. That we accept.
Tamala Krsna: Yeah. He says, "Like any other revealed scripture, the Bible's teachings are absolute, but are they to be understood literally or symbolically, and are they applicable for all men?"
Prabhupada: Literally, not symbolically.
Tamala Krsna: He says, "What is the actual meaning of the sacrifice of the cross, Jesus dying on the cross?"
Prabhupada: It has no meaning. The people were so rascal that they attempted to kill him. Because he was speaking of God. So we can understand the pollution of the then society, how intelligent they were. He had to deal with such rascals that he was speaking about God and the result is that they wanted to kill him first. He preached, "Thou shalt not kill," and they killed him first. This is their intelligence. Now people are advanced. Those doctrines, they are not (indistinct). That's all. The answer.
Tamala Krsna: He says, "Did Jesus die on the cross to redeem all the sins of the world?"
Prabhupada: This is another sinful thought -- Jesus has taken contract for ridding your sinful activities. That's a plea, what is called plea for the sinners, that they will continue acting sinfully, and Christ will take contract to counteract. This is most sinful conviction. Instead of stopping sinful activities, we have given contract to Jesus Christ to counteract it.
Tamala Krsna: So these people are not actually getting free of their sins unless they stop sinning.
Prabhupada: Then what is the use of his preaching? They will continue sinful activities, and Jesus Christ will take contract for saving them. How nonsense idea this is! Bhavananda, do you think it is good idea?
Bhavananda: Not a good idea, Srila Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: Nonsense rascals. These people should be immediately hanged. "Our religion is very good." What is that? "We cannot stop acting sinfully, and Christ has taken contract. He will save us."
Tamala Krsna: Rascals.
Prabhupada: How rascaldom it is! Namno balad papa-buddhih. Nama-aparadha. "I am chanting Hare Krsna, so no sinful action will be." It is like that. That means "I will continue my sinful activities and become a Christian, become a Vaisnava, become a chanter."
Tamala Krsna: Nama-aparadha.
Prabhupada: See whether I am answering correct.
Tamala Krsna: Oh, you are answering very good. He gives a lot of quotations from the Bible. So I'll just read you two of them, and it is very easy to...
Prabhupada: What is the use of giving me quotations from...? We are talking about practical things.
Tamala Krsna: Yeah. The only point I was going to bring out was that it is clear how they misread the Bible. Just like one of them says, "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son, that whoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life." But you pointed out that to believe means to follow his teachings. That they don't understand. They say, "We believe in Jesus," but they don't follow his teachings.
Prabhupada: Then where is his belief? Where is the question of belief? Unless strictly follow the teachings, there is no question of belief. It is bogus principle.
Tamala Krsna: Yeah, it's all... His next question is, "The essence of Christianism is to believe that Christ is our saviour and redeemer, but the final test of one's faith in Christ rests upon one's hope that he will come back down to earth from heaven to establish his glory and his realm of justice forever. Is this second advent of his to be taken as a symbolic one, or will he actually come back?"
Prabhupada: I do not know. What does he say? What does he say? Explain.
Tamala Krsna: What does he say?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Tamala Krsna: Well, he quotes, "And then shall appear the sign of the son of man in heaven, and then shall all the tribes of earth mourn and they shall see the son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory." In other words... "And shall he send..." There is so many statements in the Bible to allude that Christ will come again.
Prabhupada: What is the harm if he comes again?
Tamala Krsna: Practically that is the whole basis of the Christians' faith is they are awaiting the day when Christ will come.
Prabhupada: For the time being, you follow what he has said. Rather, what is the use of waiting for him?
Tamala Krsna: Yeah, if you don't follow what he said, then even if he comes he won't take you. He says if that happens, if Christ comes back, what will be the position of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu and His Krsna consciousness movement? Nasty question.
Prabhupada: That you shall see when he comes.
Tamala Krsna: (laughs) That we shall see when he comes. Right. For the time being the Krsna consciousness movement is here. Next question: "What is this end of the world?" Then he says, "In your..."
Prabhupada: The world will be devastated, and everything material... Your body is there. It is being maintained, and it will be finished. Similarly, the whole world body will be done in the same way. There is no other way. It is created, it is maintained, and it is finished. Nasa. It is called nasa in Sanskrit.
Tamala Krsna: What is that, n-a-s-s, nasa?
Prabhupada: N-a-s-h-a. No-n-a-s.
Tamala Krsna: N-a-s means?
Prabhupada: Nasa means devastated, finished. Apaksaya-nasa.
Tamala Krsna: He says, "In your introduction to the Bhagavad-gita you refer to Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianism and other religious faiths as sectarian designations, but isn't Krsna consciousness just another kind of designation in order not to call it Krsna-ism, another ism?"
Prabhupada: No. That you have to understand later on.
Tamala Krsna: "What is the difference between a pure Christian, or at least a sincere one, and a sincere devotee of Krsna?"
Prabhupada: No difference.
Tamala Krsna: He says he read a passage of the Bhavisya Maha-Purana written by Vyasadeva three thousand years before Christ foretelling Jesus Christ's presence in the Himalayas in 78 of the Christian era, and his meeting with King Shalamoyi.(?) Are there any other prophecies in the Bhavisya Maha-Purana or in any other scriptures telling more accurately Jesus Christ's birthday?
Prabhupada: Everything is accurate there.
Tamala Krsna: In that particular Purana? He says he is sorry to take your very precious time, and he prays that you answer all of his questions, which you have done. So he thanks you very much for reading this letter and for your expected help. He asks one last question in a P.S., which I think is practically an important question. He says, "To practically follow Jesus Christ for a sincere searcher of the truth who does not recognize and accept the external manifestations of the Krsna consciousness movement, is it possible to attain love of God?" No.
Prabhupada: Love of God means God's mercy. If God is pleased, He can do anything. So that pleasure of God can be awakened by love. This is called in Sanskrit krpa-siddhi. Perfection out of affection. Out of mercy.
Tamala Krsna: He wants to know whether it is possible to attain that affection of love for God...
Prabhupada: No, that is not generally...
Tamala Krsna: ...without taking part in this Krsna consciousness movement.
Prabhupada: One must follow the regulative principles and refrain from sinful activities. Then it depends on Krsna's mercy. You cannot force Him to give you mercy. That is not possible. Mercy is mercy. You have to do your duty, and the mercy depends upon Him.
Hare krishna Prabhu
I didn't get my answer.. Please clear my doubt!!!
prabhuji
no comments sorry
Hare Krsna Prabhuji,
PAMHO.
Where non veg food is allowed in Christianity? Isnt one of the commandments - Thou Shall Not Kill.
Please note that the word "kill" is used, not "murder".
People eat for convenience or taste and say their religion allows them to. A plain reading by an outsider like me tells me that non veg food is not allowed.
Haribol,
Your servant,
Rashmi
Hare Krishna Mataji
I am with you. But Now I am little confused. We know Muhammad is the servant of God(Allah), then why and how He was a non vegetarian. And also allows Cow(Go Mata) sacrifice. Please suggest.
Manab Mitra
Harekrishna
PAMHO
I read son of God jesus christ was pure vegetaranian............