Replies

  • Volunteer

    QUESTIONS ASKED TO SRILA PRABHUPADA. PART 24. ON SEX, SEXUALITY AND CELIBACY.‏

    http://www.iskcondesiretree.net/group/krishnaconsciousness/forum/to...

    QUESTIONS ASKED TO SRILA PRABHUPADA. PART 25. ON SEX, SEXUALITY AND CELIBACY.‏

    http://www.iskcondesiretree.net/group/krishnaconsciousness/forum/to...

    QUESTIONS ASKED TO SRILA PRABHUPADA. PART 26. ON SEX, SEXUALITY AND CELIBACY.‏

    http://www.iskcondesiretree.net/group/krishnaconsciousness/forum/to...

    QUESTIONS ASKED TO SRILA PRABHUPADA. PART 27. ON SEX, SEXUALITY AND CELIBACY.‏

    http://www.iskcondesiretree.net/group/krishnaconsciousness/forum/to...

    QUESTIONS ASKED TO SRILA PRABHUPADA. PART 28. ON SEX, SEXUALITY AND CELIBACY.‏

    http://www.iskcondesiretree.net/group/krishnaconsciousness/forum/to...

    QUESTIONS ASKED TO SRILA PRABHUPADA. PART 29. ON SEX, SEXUALITY AND CELIBACY.‏

    http://www.iskcondesiretree.net/group/krishnaconsciousness/forum/to...

    QUESTIONS ASKED TO SRILA PRABHUPADA. PART 30. ON SEX, SEXUALITY AND CELIBACY.‏

    http://www.iskcondesiretree.net/group/krishnaconsciousness/forum/to...

    QUESTIONS ASKED TO SRILA PRABHUPADA. PART 31. ON SEX, SEXUALITY AND CELIBACY.‏

    http://www.iskcondesiretree.net/group/krishnaconsciousness/forum/to...

    QUESTIONS ASKED TO SRILA PRABHUPADA. PART 32. ON SEX, SEXUALITY AND CELIBACY.‏

    http://www.iskcondesiretree.net/group/krishnaconsciousness/forum/to...

    QUESTIONS ASKED TO SRILA PRABHUPADA. PART 33. ON SEX, SEXUALITY AND CELIBACY.‏

    http://www.iskcondesiretree.net/group/krishnaconsciousness/forum/to...

    QUESTIONS ASKED TO SRILA PRABHUPADA. PART 34. ON SEX, SEXUALITY AND CELIBACY.‏

    http://www.iskcondesiretree.net/group/krishnaconsciousness/forum/to...

    QUESTIONS ASKED TO SRILA PRABHUPADA. PART 35. ON SEX, SEXUALITY AND CELIBACY.‏

    http://www.iskcondesiretree.net/group/krishnaconsciousness/forum/to...

    THE SEX DESIRE.‏

    http://www.iskcondesiretree.net/group/krishnaconsciousness/forum/to...

    CELIBACY IN KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS.‏

    http://www.iskcondesiretree.net/group/krishnaconsciousness/forum/to...

  • Gruhastha ashram is  no less benevolent for spiritual sadhana.This depends to the extent of one's sadhana. No particular ashram can guarantee spiritual success. This is not easy nor less noble to be a gruhastha in the right mode. A lot of true humility is necessary no matter what ever life one is leading.As far as sexual life is concerned leaving gruhastha life does not take sex away from the mind. Rather by leading a good gruhastha life one gets the mercy  of Lord Sri Krishna.Only He can lift one to a height where there is no fall. Sexual life is there any way in subtle form in the mind and personal sadhana cannot guarantee its total extinction.We need  Mercy for that. Personal sadhana develops humility and makes one ready to receive that infinity Mercy.Gruhastha life is no handicap for that to happen.

  • my response:

    thank you Malati, I advise all those who take siksa from me to not remarry but chant 64 rounds avoid nama aparadha and transcend lust:
    and I tell them a joke: 
    "A devotee was getting remarried(some gets reinitiated again and again others get remarried over and over), and his devotee friend came to congratulate him, but then asked curiously and innocently:"Prabhu, how many times have you been married?.The answer after a long ...pause:"Sorry I can not remember I lost count".
    One devotee added, then he asked him how many rounds did he chant:"Sorry I lost count of that too".
    Then he very surprised asked:Well how many of the regulative principles do you follow!The answer :"This is the west Prabhu , you do not need to keep count!"
    I once got approached as a brahmacari by a female disciple of Srila Prabhupada that wanted to leave her non devotee husband and  remarry, I was disgusted and had zero intrest, later she seduced
    another devotee man that was married to a nice  mataji and married him braking up their marriage ,this would obviously never please Srila PRabhupada.In New Vrindavan Kirtananda
    introduced all this remarriage ,and braking up married couples...all demoniac.I do not agree with remarriage as a solution to lust...KC is .

  • mother Malati wrote me:

    Srila Prabhupada ordered the remarriage of one god-sister who was previously  married,
     but whose husband was so unfavorable that she finally left him. The  idea was for her
     protection, not sense gratification.  He allowed another to  remarry, although, 
    certainly, it was not his first preference. The point being,  it was not un heard of.
      To balance this out, on another occurrence, he sanctioned one devotee to leave
     a brutally abusive  husband, but told the girl not to remarry. That was, of course, 
    ideal. However,  since there was not, then and now, any care for women in ISKCON who
     may be in a  similar situation, she was unable to keep that order.  Remarriage may
     the only  shelter against going back to karmi-parents or otherwise.  I think things
     need  to be situational and not a blanket thrown over one and all. The main objective
      for anyone is to remain KC in KC association, I would think. Making closed ended 
     statements, such as this header, does not offer a complete picture.  yrs, malati  dd

     

  • "A devotee was getting remarried(some gets reinitiated again and again others get remarried over and over), and his devotee friend came to congratulate him, but then asked curiously and innocently:"Prabhu, how many times have you been married?.The answer after a long ...pause:"Sorry I can not remember I lost count".

    One devotee added, then he asked him how many rounds did he chant:"Sorry I lost count of that too".

    Then he very surprised asked:Well how many of the regulative principles do you follow!The answer :"This is the west Prabhu , you do not need to keep count!"

     

  • Giriraja Swami has advised one mataji to marry again as she was married before coming to KC, so maybe it is not so bad? But still Prabhupadas advise stands above all, do not marry again.KC is meant to renounce all sex desires completly and focus on Krsna 24 hours a day...

  • "Regarding remarriage, no, remarriage should be always discouraged. Remarriage means encouraging sense gratification. Our mission is to curtail sense gratification. Three times marrying in a year, this is not good, and they are doing this."
    Srila Prabhupada Letter to Rupanuga - New Delhi, August 21, 1975

  • PAMHO
    AGTSP
    Anyone who think they are wife and husbands are in illusion, Krsna only is the Supreme Husband of all Jivas,we hear this clearly from Laxmidevi and Rukmini devi in Srimad Bhagavatam:

    SB 5.18.17: Accompanied during the daytime by the sons of the Prajāpati [the predominating deities of the days] and accompanied at night by his daughters [the deities of the nights], Lakshmīdevī worships the Lord during the period known as the Samvatsara in His most merciful form as Kāmadeva. Fully absorbed in devotional service, she chants the following mantras.

    SB 5.18.18: Let me offer my respectful obeisances unto the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Lord Hrishīkeśa, the controller of all my senses and the origin of everything. As the supreme master of all bodily, mental and intellectual activities, He is the only enjoyer of their results. The five sense objects and eleven senses, including the mind, are His partial manifestations. He supplies all the necessities of life, which are His energy and thus nondifferent from Him, and He is the cause of everyone's bodily and mental prowess, which is also nondifferent from Him. Indeed, He is the husband and provider of necessities for all living entities. The purpose of all the Vedas is to worship Him. Therefore let us all offer Him our respectful obeisances. May He always be favorable toward us in this life and the next.

    SB 5.18.19: My dear Lord, You are certainly the fully independent master of all the senses. Therefore all women who worship You by strictly observing vows because they wish to acquire a husband to satisfy their senses are surely under illusion. They do not know that such a husband cannot actually give protection to them or their children. Nor can he protect their wealth or duration of life, for he himself is dependent on time, fruitive results and the modes of nature, which are all subordinate to You.

    SB 5.18.20: He alone who is never afraid but who, on the contrary, gives complete shelter to all fearful persons can actually become a husband and protector. Therefore, my Lord, you are the only husband, and no one else can claim this position. If you were not the only husband, You would be afraid of others. Therefore persons learned in all Vedic literature accept only Your Lordship as everyone's master, and they think no one else a better husband and protector than You.

    SB 5.18.21: My dear Lord, You automatically fulfill all the desires of a woman who worships Your lotus feet in pure love. However, if a woman worships Your lotus feet for a particular purpose, You also quickly fulfill her desires, but in the end she becomes broken-hearted and laments. Therefore one need not worship Your lotus feet for some material benefit.

    SB 5.18.22: O supreme unconquerable Lord, when they become absorbed in thoughts of material enjoyment, Lord Brahmā and Lord Śiva, as well as other demigods and demons, undergo severe penances and austerities to receive my benedictions. But I do not favor anyone, however great he may be; unless he is always engaged in the service of Your lotus feet. Because I always keep You within my heart, I cannot favor anyone but a devotee.

    SB 5.18.23: O infallible one, Your lotus palm is the source of all benediction. Therefore Your pure devotees worship it, and You very mercifully place Your hand on their heads. I wish that You may also place Your hand on My head, for although You already bear my insignia of golden streaks on Your chest, I regard this honor as merely a kind of false prestige for me. You show Your real mercy to Your devotees, not to me. Of course, You are the supreme absolute controller, and no one can understand Your motives

    We see in Srimad Bhagavatam 10 canto chapter 60 how Krsna teased Rukmini and Her answer was most befitting Her exalted position and approved by Krsna :
    SB 10.60.34: Śrī Rukminī said: Actually, what You have said is true, O lotus-eyed one. I am indeed unsuitable for the almighty Personality of Godhead. What comparison is there between that Supreme Lord, who is master of the three primal deities and who delights in His own glory, and myself, a woman of mundane qualities whose feet are grasped by fools?

    SB 10.60.35: Yes, my Lord Urukrama, You lay down within the ocean as if afraid of the material modes, and thus in pure consciousness You appear within the heart as the Supersoul. You are always battling against the foolish material senses, and indeed even Your servants reject the privilege of royal dominion, which leads to the blindness of ignorance.

    SB 10.60.36: Your movements, inscrutable even for sages who relish the honey of Your lotus feet, are certainly incomprehensible for human beings who behave like animals. And just as Your activities are transcendental, O all-powerful Lord, so too are those of Your followers.

    SB 10.60.37: You possess nothing because there is nothing beyond You. Even the great enjoyers of tribute — Brahmā and other demigods — pay tribute to You. Those who are blinded by their wealth and absorbed in gratifying their senses do not recognize You in the form of death. But to the gods, the enjoyers of tribute, You are the most dear, as they are to You.

    SB 10.60.38: You are the embodiment of all human goals and are Yourself the final aim of life. Desiring to attain You, O all-powerful Lord, intelligent persons abandon everything else. It is they who are worthy of Your association, not men and women absorbed in the pleasure and grief resulting from their mutual lust.

    SB 10.60.39: Knowing that great sages who have renounced the sannyāsī's danda proclaim Your glories, that You are the Supreme Soul of all the worlds, and that You are so gracious that You give away even Your own self, I chose You as my husband, rejecting Lord Brahmā, Lord Śiva and the rulers of heaven, whose aspirations are all frustrated by the force of time, which is born from Your eyebrows. What interest, then, could I have in any other suitors?

    SB 10.60.40: My Lord, as a lion drives away lesser animals to claim his proper tribute, You drove off the assembled kings with the resounding twang of Your Śārńga bow and then claimed me, Your fair share. Thus it is sheer foolishness, my dear Gadāgraja, for You to say You took shelter in the ocean out of fear of those kings.

    SB 10.60.41: Wanting Your association, the best of kings — Ańga, Vainya, Jāyanta, Nāhusha, Gaya and others — abandoned their absolute sovereignty and entered the forest to seek You out. How could those kings suffer frustration in this world, O lotus-eyed one?

    SB 10.60.42: The aroma of Your lotus feet, which is glorified by great saints, awards people liberation and is the abode of Goddess Lakshmī. What woman would take shelter of any other man after savoring that aroma? Since You are the abode of transcendental qualities, what mortal woman with the insight to distinguish her own true interest would disregard that fragrance and depend instead on someone who is always subject to terrible fear?

    SB 10.60.43: Because You are suitable for me, I have chosen You, the master and Supreme Soul of all the worlds, who fulfill our desires in this life and the next. May Your feet, which give freedom from illusion by approaching their worshiper, give shelter to me, who have been wandering from one material situation to another.

    SB 10.60.44: O infallible Krishna, let each of the kings You named become the husband of a woman whose ears have never heard Your glories, which are sung in the assemblies of Śiva and Brahmā. After all, in the households of such women these kings live like asses, oxen, dogs, cats and slaves.

    SB 10.60.45: A woman who fails to relish the fragrance of the honey of Your lotus feet becomes totally befooled, and thus she accepts as her husband or lover a living corpse covered with skin, whiskers, nails, head-hair and body-hair and filled with flesh, bones, blood, parasites, feces, mucus, bile and air.

    SB 10.60.46: O lotus-eyed one, though You are satisfied within Yourself and thus rarely turn Your attention toward me, please bless me with steady love for Your feet. It is when You assume a predominance of passion in order to manifest the universe that You glance upon me, showing me what is indeed Your greatest mercy.

    SB 10.60.47: Actually, I don't consider Your words false, Madhūsudana. Quite often an unmarried girl is attracted to a man, as in the case of Ambā.

    SB 10.60.48: The mind of a promiscuous woman always hankers for new lovers, even if she is married. An intelligent man should not keep such an unchaste wife, for if he does he will lose his good fortune both in this life and the next.

    SB 10.60.49: The Supreme Lord said: O saintly lady, O princess, We deceived you only because We wanted to hear you speak like this. Indeed, everything you said in reply to My words is most certainly true.

    SB 10.60.50: Whatever benedictions you hope for in order to become bee of material desires are ever yours, O fair and noble lady, for you are My unalloyed devotee.

    SB 10.60.51: O sinless one, I have now seen firsthand the pure love and chaste attachment you have for your husband. Even though shaken by My words, your mind could not be pulled away from Me.

    Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura writes in his saranagati :

    mānasa, deho, geho, jo kichu mor
    arpilū tuwā pade, nanda-kiśor!

    (2)
    sampade vipade, jīvane-maraṇe
    dāy mama gelā, tuwā o-pada baraṇe

    (3)
    mārobi rākhobi-jo icchā tohārā
    nitya-dāsa prati tuwā adhikārā

    (4)
    janmāobi moe icchā jadi tor
    bhakta-gṛhe jani janma hau mor

    (5)
    kīṭa-janma hau jathā tuwā dās
    bahir-mukha brahma janme nāhi āś

    (6)
    bhukti-mukti-spṛhā vihīna je bhakta
    labhaite tāko sańga anurakta

    (7)
    janaka, jananī, dayita, tanay
    prabhu, guru, pati-tuhū sarva-moy

    (8)
    bhakativinoda kohe, śuno kāna!
    rādhā-nātha! tuhū hāmāra parāṇa

    TRANSLATION
    1) Mind, body, and family, whatever may be mine, I have surrendered at Your lotus feet, O youthful son of Nanda!

    2) In good fortune or in bad, in life or at death, all my difficulties have disappeared by choosing those feet of Yours as my only shelter.

    3) Slay me or protect me as You wish, for You are the master of Your eternal servant.

    4) If it is Your will that I be born again, then may it be in the home of Your devotee.

    5) May I be born again even as a worm, so long as I may remain Your devotee. I have no desire to be born as a Brahma averse to You.

    6) I yearn for the company of that devotee who is completely devoid of all desire for worldly enjoyment or liberation.

    7) Father, mother, lover, son, Lord, preceptor, and husband; You are everything to me.

    8) Thakura Bhaktivinoda says, "O Kana, please hear me! O Lord of Radha, You are my life and soul!"


    janaka, jananī, dayita, tanay
    prabhu, guru, pati-tuhū sarva-moy

    7) Father, mother, lover, son, Lord, preceptor, and husband; You are everything to me.

    Of course this is not an excuse to engage in adulterers affairs, even though Krsna is the Supreme Husband,Srila Prabhupada and Manu Samhita
    never approved of divorce or adultery.It is even in the Bible.Srila Prabhupadas quotes are very strong:

    "What is this nonsense, divorce? There is no such thing in the Vedic civilization, divorce. You must accept whatever God has given you as husband or wife, you must. They had no thinking even, idea of divorce. One may not agree with the husband. That is natural. Sometimes we do not agree. But there is no question of divorce."
    Room Conversation, Baltimore, July 7, 1976

    "No, we... "It is voluntary. In our society we find so many brahmacaris, [celibate students] so many grhasthas [regulated householders] And if you cannot stop this itching sensation, all right, marry one girl and live peacefully like a gentle... What is this nonsense, every three weeks divorce? We are not so rascal. If we accept one girl as my wife, I take full responsibility. Because I require a girl or woman, so this woman, that one... We are not so rascal that at home I have got woman, I am searching after another woman, another naked woman. We are not so madman. The sex pleasure is there at home, and I am seeking after sex pleasure in here, here, in the club, in the... What is that? Is that vagina is different? You are so fool. You require vagina; take one vagina. Be satisfied. And lick it. Why you are going here and there, here and there, here and there? Even old man is going to the nightclub to lick another vagina. Is that civilization? You are proud of your civilization." Tell them like that. "Licking of the vagina, different, obnoxious smell. You are less than the dog. The dog likes to smell the vagina. You are like that. What is business of going another vagina? You require vagina. Take one and be satisfied. That is intelligence. First of all there is no need of vagina. But if you want, take one and be satisfied. Why you are searching after dog vagina, this vagina, that vagina, that vagina? Is that civilization?" Expose them like that. "Your brain is filled with so much stool, so we are washing it. What is the wrong there?" You should take this argument and expose them at least in the court, licking of the vagina civilization, like dog. Yes animals do that. We must expose them, that's all. This is our business. This is a good opportunity in the court, so that it will be published. People will know what is our philosophy. Licking of vagina civilization, ..."
    Srila Prabhupada Room Conversation, February 19, 1977, Mayapur

    Giving up the association of her husband does not mean, however, that a woman should marry again and thus indulge in prostitution. If a chaste woman unfortunately marries a husband who is fallen, she should live separately from him. Similarly, a husband can separate himself from a woman who is not chaste according to the description of the sastra. The conclusion is that a husband should be a pure Vaisnava and that a woman should be a chaste wife with all the symptoms described in this regard. Then both of them will be happy and make spiritual progress in Krsna consciousness."
    Srimad Bhagavatam 7.11.28 Purport
    "Regarding remarriage, no, remarriage should be always discouraged. Remarriage means encouraging sense gratification. Our mission is to curtail sense gratification. Three times marrying in a year, this is not good, and they are doing this."
    Srila Prabhupada Letter to Rupanuga - New Delhi, August 21, 1975
    dampatye 'bhirucir hetur
    mayaiva vyavaharike
    stritve pumstve ca hi ratir
    vipratve sutram eva hi
    [In Kali-yuga] "Men and women will live together merely because of superficial attraction, and success in business will depend on deceit. Womanliness and manliness will be judged according to one's expertise in sex, and a man will be known as a brahmana just by his wearing a thread." (SB 12.2.3)
    However, Vedic society in the words of dharma sastras frankly forbids brahmanas to divorce.:
    "Neither by sale nor by repudiation is a wife released from her husband; such we know the law to be, which the Lord of creatures (Prajapati) made of old.
    "Once is the partition (of the inheritance) made, (once is) a maiden given in marriage, (and) once does (a man) say,' I will give;' each of those three (acts is done) once only." (Manu-samhita 9.46-47)

    dharma sastra allows (non-Vaishnava), remarriage is allowed in few cases:
    "If the husband is untraceable, dead, or has renounced the world, is impotent or degraded - in these cases of emergency a woman can remarry." (Garuda Purana 1.107.28)
    Srila Prabhupada discouraged it:
    "Giving up the association of her husband does not mean, however, that a woman should marry again and thus indulge in prostitution. If a chaste woman unfortunately marries a husband who is fallen, she should live separately from him. Similarly, a husband can separate himself from a woman who is not chaste according to the description of the sastra. The conclusion is that a husband should be a pure Vaisnava and that a woman should be a chaste wife with all the symptoms described in this regard. Then both of them will be happy and make spiritual progress in Krsna consciousness." (SB 7.11.28 p.)
    Srila Prabhupada's letter to Rupanuga - Vrindaban 9 September, 1967:
    "Anyway, both your wife and yourself cannot think of marrying again; that is not my advice. Even if your wife decides to marry again, for your part you should forget it; and if by the Grace of Krishna you can live peacefully without any wife, completely devoted to K.C., that will be the best part of your life. You can love and put all your affection to the child, and try to make him fully K.C."
    Srila Prabhupada's letter to Silavati - New Vrindavan 14 June, 1969:
    "Regarding the suggestion that you remarry, I have never suggested such thing, so you need not trouble yourself with this. As I have told you in Los Angeles, I wish that the mother's who have no husband at present should not remarry, but should dedicate their time to seeing that their children are brought up very nicely in Krishna Consciousness."
    Srila Prabhupada's letter to Rupanuga - New Delhi 21 August, 1975:
    "Regarding remarriage, no, remarriage should be always discouraged. Remarriage means encouraging sense gratification. Our mission is to curtail sense gratification. Three times marrying in a year, this is not good, and they are doing this."
    Srila Prabhupada's letter to Jayananda - Vrindaban 1 September, 1975:
    "Why should you remarry? Rather you should take sannyasa. Now you are getting very good training. Why has Jayatirtha suggested you to remarry?"
    Srila Prabhupada's letter to Anangamanjari - New York 19 July, 1976:
    "It is not advisable to marry again as this may disturb your former husband who is now engaged in preaching activities. So rather you can come here to New York where your service will be appreciated and there is very nice association with so many nice girls.

    Sri Prahlada Maharaja has prayed:

    SB 5.18.10: My dear Lord, we pray that we may never feel attraction for the prison of family life, consisting of home, wife, children, friends, bank balance, relatives and so on. If we do have some attachment, let it be for devotees, whose only dear friend is Krishna. A person who is actually self-realized and who has controlled his mind is perfectly satisfied with the bare necessities of life. He does not try to gratify his senses. Such a person quickly advances in Krishnaconsciousness, whereas others, who are too attached to material things, find advancement very difficult.


    SB 5.18.13: Just as aquatics always desire to remain in the vast mass of water, all conditioned living entities naturally desire to remain in the vast existence of the Supreme Lord. Therefore if someone very great by material calculations fails to take shelter of the Supreme Soul but instead becomes attached to material household life, his greatness is like that of a young, low-class couple. One who is too attached to material life loses all good spiritual qualities.



    Well we are all spirit souls part and parcel of Krsna ,at the end of the day material or spiritual positions of this world have little value.But our individual KC is everything that matters.We are born with "nothing" and leave with "nothing" of material values.Our KC is tested at death.Then it will be us and Krsna and nothing else matters .No "fallible soldiers" will rescue us from death including wife ,children, friends ,disciples, family members,congregational members, bankaccounts or business , .....

    etc etc Ante Narayana Smriti... all that counts will be us remembering Krsna...

    SB 5.18.14: Therefore, O demons, give up the so-called happiness of family life and simply take shelter of the lotus feet of Lord Nrisimhadeva, which are the actual shelter of fearlessness. Entanglement in family life is the root cause of material attachment, indefatigable desires, moroseness, anger, despair, fear and the desire for false prestige, all of which result in the repetition of birth and death.
    your servant
    Payonidhi das

    adultery.it - This website is for sale! - adultery Resources and Information.
    This website is for sale! adultery.it is your first and best source for all of the information you’re looking for. From general topics to more of wha…
  • Srila Prabhupada's letter to Rupanuga - Vrindaban 9 September, 1967:
    "Anyway, both your wife and yourself cannot think of marrying again; that is not my advice. Even if your wife decides to marry again, for your part you should forget it; and if by the Grace of Krishna you can live peacefully without any wife, completely devoted to K.C., that will be the best part of your life. You can love and put all your affection to the child, and try to make him fully K.C."

This reply was deleted.