We came from vaikuntha, as fallen souls ,how does this impurities came upon there?krsna assures as if we come there again we won't fall back again means there will be no free will for living entity? Isn't Devoid of free will after reaching vaikuntha promotes impersonalism?{(yad gatva na nivartante(15.6) } sometimes devotees say we came from tathastha region actually not vaikuntha? Isn't there is one simple answer to this question with proper reason?
Hare krsna. ..dandvat pranam
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Hare Krsna Prabhuji,
PAMHO.
There are 2 schools of thought in ISKCON. Prabhupada did say a lot ocassions that we fell from the spiritual world and came to this material world, whereas few acharyas of our movement today say that we were never in the spiritual world. We are marginal energy, tathastha shakti.
We are marginal energy. If we were in the spiritual world and fell from there because of our desire to enjoy independent of Krsna, then once we qualify to go back to the spiritual world after purifying our consciousness , we will not come back to the material world. It is explained that a pure devotee desires only service to the lord, doesnt matter whihc world he is in. So iwhether one is in hell or in heavan, as long as he is in the service of the lord, the soul is satisfied. He is willign to undertake any no of hardships just to serve the lord.
The other school of thought says we were always in the material world and we go to the spiritual world only once, after qualifying by purifying our consciousness. The logic is - Krsna says - yad gatva na nivartante tad dham paramam mama.
The important point both schools of thought say is - it doesnt matter from where we came, What matters is what is the purpose of our life and where we want to go. The example given is of a drowning man - when help reaches him, he is in a hurry to get out of the water. At that time, he is not busy inquiring - first tell me how I came here. Having realised that this material wrold is full of miseries and temporary, we should endeavour to complete our sadhana in this very lifetime and go back to Godhead. If Krsna desires that we remain in this world or even in hell, to fulfill any of His purpose, then we willingly stay back.
Haribol,
Your servant,
Radha Rasamayi DD
Hare Krishna,
Point is we never fall from Vaikunta or Goloka. These planets are far above out of material coverings. Once you reach those places there is no coming back.
Krishna has 3 potencies.. 1. Ahaladini shakti ( internal potency) 2. External potency 3. Marginal potency ( tattastha).
We belong to the the third category ie., Marginal Potency.
FIRST Point is we are part and parcel of Sri Krishna. So where from we started to enjoy independence away from Sri Krishna.
If I say you are a hair on Lord's chest and I am a nail of Lord's body .. ( then it might make it easy for you to undersrtand)
The momment we felt we are separate from Krishna we fell off. Now we doing all bhakti to go back and occupy our positions. All of us are parts of Lord.
Like if Your heart is rebelling against you saying I want to enjoy free will and I want to live separately from you. Will you be happy? Like that Lord is also not happy with our rebelious behavior, but He is ever loving and kind so He says okay you want to enjoy away from me. Okay you can enjoy play as much as you want and when you are done playing come back to me.
Like for example--
A kid is there it sees mother cooking food and wished I too want to cook.. Then mother said okay you want to cook on ur own? then let me buy you a plastic look a like kitchen set. The kid at first enjoys the cooking but at about lunch time. It started to feel hungry. It then saw what it had cooked was not anything eatable and was not satisfying its hunger. Plastic kitchen set and plastic vegetables and plastic food stuff. How will its hunger get satisfied. Then the kid started to cry again Mommy mommy I am hungry...Then mother ( here Krishna) takes us back into His arms and feeds us.
But the free will was given right by the mother, she didnt say don't play eat only whatever I cook. no need of cooking why do you want to cook? I am there to cook na. mother is very kind so she gave time for the kid to realize that that which it was trying to enjoy independence ( by playing with kitchen set) was not able to solve its hunger.
similarly we are all jivas we belong to Krishna we are His parts. But we felt we needed independence and we fought got seperated from Him. But Lord is kind He said okay you can play there in the Material world and I have arranged everything similar ( but reflection of the spiritual world in perverted form) to here for you go and stay there. When you feel you are done you will only realize what you missed and get back this time with full surrender Unto Me.
once jivas' realize their mistake the become one with Lord and lose this false ego that they are separate from Supreme Lord.
Hope it is clear now.
Hare Krishna.
Purport of SB 3.16.26
The conclusion is that no one falls from the spiritual world, or Vaikuṇṭha planet, for it is the eternal abode. But sometimes, as the Lord desires, devotees come into this material world as preachers or as atheists. In each case we must understand that there is a plan of the Lord. Lord Buddha, for example, was an incarnation, yet he preached atheism: “There is no God.” But actually there was a plan behind this, as explained in the Bhāgavatam.
https://vedabase.io/en/library/sb/3/16/26/
The inhabitants of Vaikuṇṭha never return to the material world, but the incident of Jaya and Vijaya was a different case. They came to the material world for some time, and then they returned to Vaikuṇṭha. ( SB purport 3.16. 27)
https://vedabase.io/en/library/sb/3/16/27/