please help me understand following things.
1. He created this place to be miserable. It is 'Dukhalayam' bcoz it
is made in that way.
First he creates world in this way n then don't give all we want
then says 'see you can't be happy here without me,
see you can't get peace here'
Is it not like 'Heads I win, tails you lose'.
He could have made this place good place to live. If I love my
child, I will never give pain
to my child doesn't matter if he want to be with me o away from me.
2. If we get everything we want and still we can't be happy without
Krishna then we can understand that we love him.
He keeps us deprived, then expects us to love him unconditionally?
3. Maharaj quotes Prabhupad's example of lost son of super rich, wealthy man.
If super rich, wealthy dad knows that where child is
and if loves him unconditionally, he can provide everything for him
to be happy without child knowing it.
He will never do anything that gives pain to child to make him
realize something.
4. Bhaktirasamrit maharaj says 'Krishna can satisfy all our desires in
unlimited ways'. Why does he never do so?
If Krishna loves me why does he not give me everything/half the
things/something i want?
You will say he knows what is best for us. Why does he not give me
single thing the way i want it?
5. Devotees say that Krishna gives what we want but after purifying
us. There are so many people already having what I want
or 10000 times what i want and they don't at all look purified !
Also, after getting purified, no 1 will have material desires.
What is point in denying food when one is hungry then asking for
feast when is not hungry.
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Prabhu;Good questions ..though it also means that u need heavy orientation or disorientation to understand the pure philosophy of Krishna Consciousness. I may humbly ask your pardon. Krishna Consciousness is a higher science ; the science of life ; death and beyond. The difference is in the platform. The questions u have asked although they look very pertinent , legitimate and intelligent are based on a highly shaky platform of materialism. From this platform everything appears murky and bleak and no answers will satiate your questions how much ever one may try. If you are searching for apples in an orchard of oranges ; its a vain attempt. You may want to become more submissive and learn to listen by calming yourself.Attend more of the philosophy of Krishna; Chant and then see whether you understand. Material Science is a process of bottom up approach ; which may appear logical but there is no destination. The Science of Krishna Consciousness is a Top Down Approach. Initially it may appear whimsical ; but as you progress you your destination will be in sight. It is very important to come out of the attacking mood and become submissive. This science can be approached only though humility!!!
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3. Maharaj quotes Prabhupad's example of lost son of super rich, wealthy man.
If super rich, wealthy dad knows that where child is
and if loves him unconditionally, he can provide everything for him
to be happy without child knowing it.
He will never do anything that gives pain to child to make him
realize something.
That is precisely what the super rich dad has done to us - He has given us a world to live in which is self contained. It doesnt need anything from outside. THat is the reason a lot of people think that there is no God - has anyone ever seen God? He has given us all the apparatus to be happy - but because of our own karma and our unsatiable desires, we are unhappy. Who is with us even when we are completely alone and down and out? From where do we get the strength to carry on? - think about it prabhuji.
On the flip side, if there is no pain in the world - will we ever question - why am I here, what am I doing here, from where have I come? Despite all the pain, how many people question all this? If we never question the reason for our existence, do we have any chance of ever going back? So going b what you are saying, God created us and this world both. Now He should make it completely happy and get lost - so that we can enjoy this world endlessly and obviously never count our blessings and thank Him? How grateful is that?
4. Bhaktirasamrit maharaj says 'Krishna can satisfy all our desires in
unlimited ways'. Why does he never do so?
If Krishna loves me why does he not give me everything/half the
things/something i want?
You will say he knows what is best for us. Why does he not give me
single thing the way i want it?
Krsna is God, He is not a wish fulfilling tree. We are minute parts and parcels of God, we have to serve Him, and not the reverse. Like how there is a naughty kid in class, that kid is never made comfortable. He is punished and definitely he doesnt enjoy the punishment, so taht he can reform and start adhering to the rules of class. Only then he will be accepted back in class and only then the pain of punishment will go away for the child. Same with us - we have come to the material world because of our tendency to lord it over material nature and have come here and got entangled into endless whirlpool of desires and wants, how can we be happy? Our true nature is sat cit ananda. We can revive that true nature only by ceto darpan marjanam - by cleaning the dust on the mirror, by getting over the overpowering maya. That is possible only if we accept, willingly, with our true heart, our true position of servant of lord and start serving Him.
5. Devotees say that Krishna gives what we want but after purifying
us. There are so many people already having what I want
or 10000 times what i want and they don't at all look purified !
Also, after getting purified, no 1 will have material desires.
What is point in denying food when one is hungry then asking for
feast when is not hungry.
I dont knwo if you ever heard it - one of the email and sms fwds - once someone asked God - I want peace. God replied - remove the I, its ego, remove the want - its desire, what is left is peace. That is exactly the situation here - once we become purified, there is no desire left except to serve the lord in whichever capacity the lord desires.
I hope I haev been able to explain somewhat. PLs write more if you have more queries. What you do need to do is calm down a little and pray a lot.
Haribol,
Sorry for offences,
Your servant,
Rashmi
Hare Krsna Mataji!
I am really blessed to see your reply.
Hari Bol!
Hare Krsna PRabhuji,
PAMHO.
Baap re, you are really angry. I will attempt to answer your questions one by one:
1. He created this place to be miserable. It is 'Dukhalayam' bcoz it
is made in that way.
First he creates world in this way n then don't give all we want
then says 'see you can't be happy here without me,
see you can't get peace here'
Is it not like 'Heads I win, tails you lose'.
He could have made this place good place to live. If I love my
child, I will never give pain
Whenever a city is planned, a jail is also planned in that city. Does that mean that the administration wants people to go to jail? No. It means that the administration knows that there will be some miscreants who will have to be put in jail so that there is peace and harmony in society. This 'dukhalayam ashashwatam' is a jail prabhuji. Do we provide so many facilities in our jails? It is because Krsna loves us that He has provided so many facilities in this jail - such beautiful and bountiful nature, so many people to interact with and make relations with, birds, beats, aquatics, ....everything. WHy is it that we dont get what we want? Because our wants are unlimited. Cross and heart and say that none of your desires have ever been fulfilled. The problem is not that our desires are not fulfilled, the problem is that there is no end to our desires. The moment one gets fulfilled, ten more crop up and so on.
The lord has given us free will, that is what He has given us. He wants us back with Him, but only if we want. Otherwise, he has provided an entire big bad/ beautiful world for us to live in. Dont you let your child do his will, evne if you know its not good for him at times? God is doing the same with us.
2. If we get everything we want and still we can't be happy without
Krishna then we can understand that we love him.
He keeps us deprived, then expects us to love him unconditionally?
Thats the entire point prabhuji, despite getting so much, we are still unhappy for the few things that we didnt get. You are looking at what we dont have, have you ever counted your blessings? That is also an art, only one who has suffered a lot knows how to do taht. Good health for instance, having a full body, fully functional, instead of one part missing or defective - isnt that a blessing? Being able to communicate virtually, means we are both educated and reasonably updated with the world - isnt that a blessing? Please see the blessings you have got - its more than what one can count. He has not deprived us, thats why He deserves unconditional love. Would you love someone who comes to you and trades with you - give me a choclate, i will give you money, or would you love someone who comes and gives and gives and gives, wihtout expecting even a thanks from you.
Becoming too long.... More in my next post.
Haribol,
Your servant