Posted by David on November 7, 2011 at 3:32am in Bhakti
Please Accept My Humble Obeisances.All Glories to Srila Guru & Gauranga.Hare KrishnaI have been asked the question, why is Lord Krishna praised higher than Lord Ramachandra? Both are Perfect Forms of the Supreme.Why is Lord Rama not favored as Lord Krishna ?I Love Sri Sri Radha Krishna, and I also Love Sri Sri Sita Rama. I want to know how to properly approach this question.Please forgive me if I have committed an offense in asking this question.Hari bolYour Servant,David
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Krsna has been described as Swayam Bhagawan in 3rd Chapter of 1st Canto of Srimad Bhagawatam. He Himself declared the same in Bhagavad Gita. This is accepted by all the gurus and sadhus (narada, Asita, Devala, Vyas.....). That is why Krsna is considered as avatari - the original primeval lord.
Rama is maryada purushottam whereas Krsna is Lila purushottam. It is said that Krsna has 4 qualities that Rama doesnt have.
Haribol,
Your servant,
Radha Rasamayi DD
Radha Sakhi > Radha Rasamayi DDSeptember 12, 2022 at 12:23pm
In Bhagwat, both Shri Krishna and Shri Ram are called God Himself. As far as it is said that Lord Shri Ram has 4 kalas less then it is only your brainchild, no such mention is found in the scriptures.
From this it becomes clear that Lord Shri Ramchandra has been called the master of all Kalas in the Bhagwat. Then 12 kala, 14 kala and 16 kalas all have no meaning as he is the master of all Kalas.
In Shrimad Bhagwat, Shri Krishna is said to be an incarnation of Shri Vishnu in many places.
श्रीमद्भागवत महापुराण ने ही भगवान श्रीकृष्ण को भागवत में लगभग 15 जगह अवतार बताया है।
1) BGM 4.1.59
2) BGM 10.1.2
3) BGM 10.2.9
4) BGM 10.3.16
5) BGM 10.2.18
6) BGM 10.2.41
7) BGM 10.10.34
8) BGM 10.33.27
9) BGM 10.38.32
10) BGM 10.41.46
11) BGM 10.43.23
12) BGM 10.48.24
13) BGM 10.89.58
14) BGM 10.89.59
15) BGM 11.7.2
Now that you have come, then take the bonus from my side.
कलावतीर्णाववनेर्भरासुरान् हत्वेह भूयस्त्वरयेतमन्ति मे ॥
(इति श्रीमद् भागवते 10•89•58)
भूमा पुरुष यानी श्री महाविष्णु ने श्री कृष्ण और श्री अर्जुन से कहा :~ मैं ब्राह्मण के पुत्रों को यहां पर लाया हूं ताकि मैं आप दोनों को देख सकूं, (श्री कृष्ण से कहते हुए) आप धर्म की स्थापना के लिए मेरे विस्तार के रूप में अवतरित हुए हैं। जैसे ही आप दोनों पृथ्वी पर बोझ डालने वाले राक्षसों का वध कर दें यथा शीघ्र ही मेरे पास वापस आ जाएं।
AND WHO IS BHUMA PURUSH?
वैकुण्ठेशस्तु भरतः क्षीराब्धीशस्तु लक्ष्मणः ।
शत्रुघ्नस्तु स्वयं भूमा रामसेवार्थमागताः।।
(इति श्रीमद् नारदपंचतंत्रे)
जो श्रीभरत जी वैकुंठ के स्वामी हैं, जो श्रीलक्ष्मण जी क्षीरसागर के स्वामी हैं और जो स्वयं भूमा पुरुष श्रीशत्रुघ्न जी हैं वे सब श्री रघुनाथ जी की सेवा करने के लिए उनके साथ अवतरित हुए।
This is a very odd question. Yet to clarify you, as you must know, Lord Ramacandra had 12 Yogic points (Kalas) open whereas Krishna is Swayam bhagvan, had all 16 Nodes enlightened. Although Rama is form of Krishna, Krishna is Parabrahma. It is clarified if u and ur representator is. Ram is partial, though Vishnu-Tattva, and is Representator Of KRishna, Whereas KRISHNA IS SWAYAM KRISHNA, Eternal and Material Nature being the same. Moreover taking the name of Krishna = 1000 Vishnu Names, taking Rama's name= 100 Vishnu names. That's Another Perception. Eidher u love Rama Or Krishna, It really matters, but Krishna is Krishna and Rama is expansion Of Krishna.
Hope u get it, Hare Ram, Hare Krishna!! :)
Vishal Pandey > Hridayananda DasJuly 20, 2022 at 11:51am
Hare krishna ,for your kind information in Srimad Bhagvatam
Lord Rāma in śrīmad Bhāgvatam :-
न वै स आत्मात्मवतां सुहृत्तम: सक्तस्त्रिलोक्यां भगवान् वासुदेव: (5.19.6)
भगवन्तमादिपुरुषं (5.19.1)
तस्यापि भगवानेष साक्षाद् ब्रह्ममयो हरि: (9.10.2)
कलेश इक्ष्वाकुवंश अवतीर्य गुरोर्निदेशे (2.7.23)
कूटस्थमादिपुरुषं जगतामधीशम् (9.10.14)
मन्योश्च भूतपतय: स भवान् गुणेश: (9.10.14)
Lord rama is referred as kalesha i.e lord of all kalas. How dare you to tell him the avtar of 12 kalas. He is referred 2 times as Adipurusha(the primeval Lord) in bhagvatam. See above.
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Hare Krsna Prabhuji,
PAMHO.
Krsna has been described as Swayam Bhagawan in 3rd Chapter of 1st Canto of Srimad Bhagawatam. He Himself declared the same in Bhagavad Gita. This is accepted by all the gurus and sadhus (narada, Asita, Devala, Vyas.....). That is why Krsna is considered as avatari - the original primeval lord.
Rama is maryada purushottam whereas Krsna is Lila purushottam. It is said that Krsna has 4 qualities that Rama doesnt have.
Haribol,
Your servant,
Radha Rasamayi DD
In Bhagwat, both Shri Krishna and Shri Ram are called God Himself. As far as it is said that Lord Shri Ram has 4 kalas less then it is only your brainchild, no such mention is found in the scriptures.
Lord Rāma in śrīmad Bhāgvatam :-
न वै स आत्मात्मवतां सुहृत्तम:
सक्तस्त्रिलोक्यां भगवान् वासुदेव: (5.19.6)
भगवन्तमादिपुरुषं (5.19.1)
तस्यापि भगवानेष साक्षाद् ब्रह्ममयो हरि: (9.10.2)
कलाय कलेश इक्ष्वाकुवंश अवतीर्य गुरोर्निदेशे (2.7.23)
कूटस्थमादिपुरुषं जगतामधीशम् (9.10.14)
मन्योश्च भूतपतय: स भवान् गुणेश: (9.10.14)
भगवान् दत्त्वा रक्षोगणेशताम् (9.10.32)
भगवान् राजन् ग्रहैश्चन्द्र इवोदित: (9.10.44)
भगवानात्मनात्मानं राम (9.11.1)
भगवन् भुवनेश्वर (9.11.6)
तच्छ्रुत्वा भगवान् रामो रुन्धन्नपि धिया शुच: ।
स्मरंस्तस्या गुणांस्तांस्तान्नाशक्नोद् रोद्धुमीश्वर: (9.11.16)
From this it becomes clear that Lord Shri Ramchandra has been called the master of all Kalas in the Bhagwat. Then 12 kala, 14 kala and 16 kalas all have no meaning as he is the master of all Kalas.
In Shrimad Bhagwat, Shri Krishna is said to be an incarnation of Shri Vishnu in many places.
श्रीमद्भागवत महापुराण ने ही भगवान श्रीकृष्ण को भागवत में लगभग 15 जगह अवतार बताया है।
1) BGM 4.1.59
2) BGM 10.1.2
3) BGM 10.2.9
4) BGM 10.3.16
5) BGM 10.2.18
6) BGM 10.2.41
7) BGM 10.10.34
8) BGM 10.33.27
9) BGM 10.38.32
10) BGM 10.41.46
11) BGM 10.43.23
12) BGM 10.48.24
13) BGM 10.89.58
14) BGM 10.89.59
15) BGM 11.7.2
Now that you have come, then take the bonus from my side.
द्विजात्मजामे युवयोर्दिदृक्षुणा मयोपनीता भुवि धर्मगुप्तये ।
कलावतीर्णाववनेर्भरासुरान् हत्वेह भूयस्त्वरयेतमन्ति मे ॥
(इति श्रीमद् भागवते 10•89•58)
भूमा पुरुष यानी श्री महाविष्णु ने श्री कृष्ण और श्री अर्जुन से कहा :~ मैं ब्राह्मण के पुत्रों को यहां पर लाया हूं ताकि मैं आप दोनों को देख सकूं, (श्री कृष्ण से कहते हुए) आप धर्म की स्थापना के लिए मेरे विस्तार के रूप में अवतरित हुए हैं। जैसे ही आप दोनों पृथ्वी पर बोझ डालने वाले राक्षसों का वध कर दें यथा शीघ्र ही मेरे पास वापस आ जाएं।
AND WHO IS BHUMA PURUSH?
वैकुण्ठेशस्तु भरतः क्षीराब्धीशस्तु लक्ष्मणः ।
शत्रुघ्नस्तु स्वयं भूमा रामसेवार्थमागताः।।
(इति श्रीमद् नारदपंचतंत्रे)
जो श्रीभरत जी वैकुंठ के स्वामी हैं, जो श्रीलक्ष्मण जी क्षीरसागर के स्वामी हैं और जो स्वयं भूमा पुरुष श्रीशत्रुघ्न जी हैं वे सब श्री रघुनाथ जी की सेवा करने के लिए उनके साथ अवतरित हुए।
Ha ha
Thanx Prabhu for correcting my fault the fun way
May Krishna Bless u
Haribol!!! :)
Dear Prabhu,
Hare Krishna.
This is a very odd question. Yet to clarify you, as you must know, Lord Ramacandra had 12 Yogic points (Kalas) open whereas Krishna is Swayam bhagvan, had all 16 Nodes enlightened. Although Rama is form of Krishna, Krishna is Parabrahma.
It is clarified if u and ur representator is. Ram is partial, though Vishnu-Tattva, and is Representator Of KRishna, Whereas KRISHNA IS SWAYAM KRISHNA, Eternal and Material Nature being the same.
Moreover taking the name of Krishna = 1000 Vishnu Names, taking Rama's name= 100 Vishnu names. That's Another Perception.
Eidher u love Rama Or Krishna, It really matters, but Krishna is Krishna and Rama is expansion Of Krishna.
Hope u get it,
Hare Ram, Hare Krishna!! :)
Hare krishna ,for your kind information in Srimad Bhagvatam
Lord Rāma in śrīmad Bhāgvatam :-
न वै स आत्मात्मवतां सुहृत्तम:
सक्तस्त्रिलोक्यां भगवान् वासुदेव: (5.19.6)
भगवन्तमादिपुरुषं (5.19.1)
तस्यापि भगवानेष साक्षाद् ब्रह्ममयो हरि: (9.10.2)
कलेश इक्ष्वाकुवंश अवतीर्य गुरोर्निदेशे (2.7.23)
कूटस्थमादिपुरुषं जगतामधीशम् (9.10.14)
मन्योश्च भूतपतय: स भवान् गुणेश: (9.10.14)
Lord rama is referred as kalesha i.e lord of all kalas. How dare you to tell him the avtar of 12 kalas. He is referred 2 times as Adipurusha(the primeval Lord) in bhagvatam. See above.