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  • 3ruf705dlznca December 6, 2016 at 3:32am

    We didn't fell in illusion because of envy. The Lord is the cause of all causes.

    • jerald abrams > 3ruf705dlznca December 7, 2016 at 6:03am

      Didn't Srila Prabhupada say because we wanted to become god (envy) so he give us this material world?

      I am now very confused on this matter...

      • 3ruf705dlznca > jerald abrams December 7, 2016 at 2:09pm

        SB 12.5.6 — The material bodies, qualities and activities of the spirit soul are created by the material mind. That mind is itself created by the illusory potency of the Supreme Lord, and thus the soul assumes material existence.
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        isvarah paramah krsnah sac-cid-ananda-vigrahah anadir adir govindah sarva-karana-karanam
        The Lord is the cause of all causes, then what else can be said about cause of anything.
        • jerald abrams > 3ruf705dlznca December 8, 2016 at 5:59am

          But didn't Srila Prabhupada say 

          because we wanted to become god (envy) so he give us this material world?

          I am now very confused on this matter...Were we before with Krishna and we 

          left the Lord to try to become the Lord ...hence...he gave us the material world

          to try to become the Lord?

    • 3ruf705dlznca > 3ruf705dlznca December 6, 2016 at 3:51am

      Manu means father.

      Svayambhuva Manu is the first progenitor of human beings.

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