Transcription and Editing  :  Bhakta Nimesh, Bhaktin Ramola,Sacikumara Dasa, Haripriya Dasi, Ashim Krishna Dasa, Ramananda RayaDasa

So, going back to our Sharanagati, Shri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu came toteach us the process of sharanagati, do you remember the first line, orfirst four lines of the song that we sang, the first day? How many ofyou remember that? [devotees reply] Ok, what about others? Ok, let’srecite. Shri krishna chaitanya prabhu [devotees repeat]. No, I meantthat I’ll say it and you repeat, everybody. Shri Krishna Chaitanyaprabhu [devotees repeat] jive doya kori [devotees repeat] sva-parshad[devotees repeat] sviya dham [devotees repeat] saba avatari [devoteesrepeat] atyanta durlabha prem [devotees repeat] koribare dan [devoteesrepeat] sikhaya sharanagati [devotees repeat] bhakatera pran [devoteesrepeat].  So you memorised it? Ok, how many of you didn’t memorise itas yet? Please raise your hands, don’t feel shy. Those who did notmemorise? So everyone memorised it? Otherwise, I’m going to ask you[devotees laugh]. Ok, once again I want to see the hands, those whohave memorised it, raise your hands. Ok, so how many of you did notraise your hands? Raise your hands [devotees laugh]. And still I seethat some… [laughs] Ok, anyway let’s try it again. Try to memorise it,huh? Shri krishna chaitanya prabhu jive doya kori [devotees repeat].Please say it three times [devotees chant]. Sva-parshad sviya dham sabaavatari [devotees repeat] atyanta durlabha prem koribare dan [devoteesrepeat] sikhaya sharanagati bhakatera pran [devotees repeat].
Ok, so you got it? Everyone? Ok, ok so this is how we should remember,we should memorise. Repeat it three times, you almost memorise. Thenall it needs is a little practice. Ok, so today we are going to sing a
song that is describing, what is the second aspect of sharanagati?First one is dainya, that we discussed yesterday, and the second oneis? [devotees reply] Very good. Atma-nivedan. So, this one, this songis describing atma-nivedan. Atma means self, and nivedan means?Nivedan? [devotees reply] Huh? Nivedan means? Offer. So offering ofone’s self. Offering our selves. So to surrender means to surrenderourselves; surrender means to offer our selves. So this is actually theessence of sharanagati, atma-nivedan. And dainya is the prerequisitefor atma-nivedan. We become dina, huh, in order to surrender toKrishna. Dina hina jata chila, hariname uddharila: those who considerthemselves to be lowly and fallen, they all became delivered bychanting the holy name, hariname uddharila.  Ta’ra sakshi jagai madhai,Jagai and Madhai were were very fallen, very sinful, very fallen and bythe mercy of Nityananda Prabhu and Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, they becamevery, very humble; they were very fallen, very sinful, they used tokill people, they used to beat people up to death, they used to robpeople; there is no sinful activities they did not do, they were alwaysdrunk, always drunk. And in a drunken state they were committing allkinds of sinful activities, but when they received ChaitanyaMahaprabhu’s mercy, they became very humble. So this is the, this isthe example of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, what happens by receivingChaitanya Mahaprabhu’s mercy. It doesn’t matter how fallen we may be,it doesn’t matter how sinful we may be, but Chaitan…if we surrender toChaitanya Mahaprabhu, He will deliver us, it doesn’t matter how fallenwe are.  Papi tapi yata chilo, hari name uddharilo. Papi that we… allthe, this is actually the context of Jagai and Madhai, and, um, Lochandas Thakur is saying that, uh, mo sama patita prabhu na paibe: you’llnever find anyone as fallen as I am. So devotee, huh, naturallydevelops this attitude of being fallen, this is the qualification ofbecoming, become…becoming eligible to receive Chaitanya Mahaprabhu’smercy.

So, Shri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu is extremely merciful and we simplyhave to surrender to Him. And if we surrender then it doesn’t matterwho we are, it doesn’t matter how fallen we are, only thing is that wehave to recognize our fallen condition and become humble. In the age ofKali, what is happening? No one is humble; everyone is very puffed up,very arrogant. They’re fallen, degraded, lowly, huh, don’t have anyqualification, but they are so arrogant, so puffed up. And democracy isactually promoting that mentality. In the democratic society, huh,people do not, they cannot, they do not get any education, they do notget any guidance to become humble. Everyone in this world is becomingextremely puffed up.  And, they have rejected God. Like in India, inthe name of secularism, what they are doing? They are saying you can’tcultivate any, you can’t, government cannot promote any religion. Theother day some government officials came to see me and they were, theythemselves were telling that it’s so weird, it’s so crazy, that theIndian Government doesn’t allow anybody to side, any governmentofficial to side with any religion. So that means they are not, theyare saying : no religion.  Government is saying : no religion.  In thatway the
Muslim countries are better off.  They say, yes, Islam is the religion,you have to follow.  Some religion you have to follow.  Thatdisciplines you, that makes you accept the Supreme Personality of Godhead.  It doesn’t matter by which Name you call Him, by which Nameyou address Him, it is the Same, God is one.  Whether you call HimAllah, whether you call Him Jehovah, whether you call Him Krishna,whether you call Him God, it is the same.  It is the same Personality. People may not understand that but those who know God they willunderstand that they are also addressing the same Person, the Supreme. Who is the Supreme, if somebody is worshiping the Supreme, he may notaddress Him as Krishna, but he is indirectly addressing Him, becauseWho is the Supreme ?  Krishna is the Supreme.   We know that, they may
not know that.  But at least they are addressing that, five times aday, they are offering their prayers to that Supreme.     This is howthey are actually developing a humble attitude towards Him.  It doesnot matter what they do to others.  That is an other problem.  Ofcourse, that’s another problem.  Ok, let’s not.. But at least there issome good to it. But the democratic government says, no religion. Specially in the country of India.  It’s no so bad in America, it’s notso bad in the European countries, they are promoting the freedom ofreligion.  You can, whatever is your religion, you can practise it. But what is happening, in the land of religion, in the land of dharma, you can’t practise dharma.  That is what the government is actuallysaying.  they promote no religion.  You cannot practise dharma. Anyway, they may promote that.  This is the situation of dharmasyaglanih. Yada yada hi dharmasya glanir bhavati bharata This is dharmasyaglanih.  In one hand yato math tato path  and Ishvara nirakhara, God iswithout any form, nirvisesa. And nobody should practice religion. Atleast government is not going to support any religion. So in the nameof secularism what is actually they are doing? They are promotingatheism. Government will not support any
religion that means government is not going to support the SupremePersonality of Godhead’s culture. And that’s why we have to preach soeffectively in this country. We have to be very, very effective in our
preaching. The government may say that. But who is this government?This government has been elected by the people. And why the governmentis saying that? Just to get the vote. Just to get the vote of the
minority. This government is good. They are not promoting any… It’s apredominantly this is a Hindu country. And when the government says youcan’t promote religion that means the government is  suppressing theHindus and promoting the non-Hindus. Actually everything in thisgovernment is so obvious what they are trying to do. Just in order toget the…. Democracy means vote and in order to get the vote they’ll doanything.  And we have to undo that. Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s movement… ifthis is dharmasya glanir then why does the Supreme Personality ofGodhead come ? Dharma samstapanarthaya.

(Ringing of bells) Jaya Sri Sri Radha MadanMohan ki Jaya! Jaya SriSri Krishna Balarama ki Jaya! Jaya Sri Sri Gaura Nitai ki Jaya!

So Caitanya Mahaprabhu has come. When does the  Supreme Personalityof Godhead come? As we just discussed, yada yada hi dharmasya glanirbhavati bharata abhyuthanam adharmasya tadatmanam srijamy aham. Whenthere is adharmasya glanir the Supreme Personality of Godhead comes. And by coming here what does He do? Paritrayana sadhunam vinasaya caduskritam. In this situation the sadhus are persecuted. The demons arepromoted, sadhus are persecuted. Like when Kamsa was here, what washappening?  The demons were flourishing. If you’re a demon Kamsa willpatronise you. ‘Oh, you’re a demon, come with me. I’ll give you land,I’ll give you money, I’ll give you everything. Oh, you’re a sadhu? Kill him.’ That is the situation when there is adharmasya glanir. Samewith Ravana. All these demons, that’s what they do. In other ages thedemons were very prominent. But in Kali yuga they are miniature demonsand this is how the miniature demons get together and they create theirdemoniac government. Government means the leader who is ruling thecountry. These are the demons.  So this is the state of affairs in theage of Kali. But what to do? In order to rectify the situation SriCaitanya Mahaprabhu has come. And Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu is saying,‘Doesn’t matter how fallen you are.  The age of Kali is a fallen age.So in this age if you are fallen there is no surprise. This is the ageof sin. So in this age if you have been sinful, doesn’t matter. Come toMe and I’ll take care of all your sinful reactions.’  Just like Jagaiand Madhai. Nityananda Prabhu bestowed His mercy and CaitanyaMahaprabhu took all their sins. ‘Okay? Nityananda Prabhu has
accepted you, fine I will deliver you.’

dina hena patita pamara nahi bache bache durlabha
prem sabakare brahmara durlabha prem sabakare jace

So this is  Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s mission. And similarly, asMahaprabhu’s representatives, devotees of Caitanya Mahaprabhu areactually Mahaprabhu’s representatives and they’re simply trying topromote Mahaprabhu’s mission in the same mood as Sri CaitanyaMahaprabhu. We don’t shy away from people, those who are fallen. Ifthey come to Krishna consciousness we are prepared to accept, whoeveryou may be. Whoever one is, we’ll accept you. But only thing is thatyou have to surrender. And in order to surrender you have to becomehumble. And now Caitanya Mahaprabhu is teaching how to become humble.
Bhaktivinoda Thakur is displaying that mood of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu.Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s instruction. What is Caitanya Mahaprabhu’sinstruction of surrendering? Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s example of surrenderis trinad api sunicena taror iva sahisnuna amanina manadena kirtaniyasada hari. That is the way to surrender. Trinad api sunicena Consideryourself to be very, very lowly. Even more fallen than a blade ofgrass, more insignificant than a blade of grass and more as tolerantthan the tree. Desiring no respect for ourselves and we prepare tooffer all respects to others. amanina manadena. And then onlykirtaniyah sada harih, and then we will be able to chant the holy name.The surrender has been demonstrated in this way by Srila BhaktivinodeThakura.

(1)Manasa, deho, geho, jo kichu mor arpilun tuwa pade, nanda-kishor!

Manasa means mind, dehah means body, gehah means house. Manasa,mind, body, home which means family, jo kichu mor, whatever I have, Iam surrendering to You, o son of Nanda Maharaja. Arpilun I’m offeringto You and surrendering to You, jo kichu mor arpilun tuwa pade,nanda-kishor. Surrendered to Your feet, o youthful son of NandaMaharaja.

(2)Sampade vipade, jivane-marane day mama gela, tuwa o-pada varane.

Sampade, in good fortune. Vipade means in misfortune or danger. Whether there is a favourable situation or dangerous situation –sampade vipade. Jivane-marane, in life or in death. day mama gela, tuwao-pada varane all my difficulties have disappeared by choosing thosefeet of Yours as my only shelter. Sampade vipade, jivane-marane daymama gela, tuwa o-pada varane.

(3) marobi rakhobi jo iccha tohara nitya-dasa prati tuwa adhikara.

Marobi, slay me or protect me as You wish, but You are the master ofYour eternal servant. Since I am your eternal servant, you havecomplete right over me. If You want to kick me or if You want to killme – it is entirely up to You.

(4) Janmaobi moe iccha jadi tor bhakata-grhe jani janma hau mor. Ifit is Your will that I will be born again, then may it be in the homeof Your devotee. bhakata-grhe jani, let me reborn in the house of adevotee. A devotee is not aversed to being born again. It is not thatthe devotee say, Krishna, I want liberation. Devotee doesn’t wantliberation.  Devotees simply want to serve. Service here or servicethere doesn’t
matter. Whether I am here in this material nature or whether I am inthe spiritual nature – let me always serve You. That is the mood of adevotee. Now the question is how should that service attitude be?
Service under the guidance of devotees. That is the important consideration. Wherever I am, let me serve.

(5) Kita-janma hau jatha tuwa das,

let me be born in the association of Your devotees. Even as aninsect. Let me be born in the association of Your devotees. Because ifI am in the association of devotees I am safe. May I be born again evenas a worm. Kita-janma hau jatha tuwa das bahir-mukha brahma-janme nahias. So long as I remain as Your  devotee, I have no desire to be bornas Brahma, averse to You. That is the mood of a devotee. Let me bealways in the association of Your devotees.

(6) Bhukti-mukti-sprha vihina je bhakta labhaite tanko sanga anurakta.

I yearn for the company of that devotee who is completely devoid ofall desire of worldly enjoyment or liberation. Bhukti means enjoymentand mukti means liberation. So in this material nature everyone is
either trying to enjoy or wanting to become liberated from the materialbondage. Most of the people are simply interested in enjoying. But somerare soul wants to become liberated understanding the sufferingcondition of this material nature. But a devotee is not interestedeither in enjoyment of this material nature or in liberation frommaterial bondage. A pure devotee is jnana karmad anavrtam (Brs 1.1.11)He is free from the desire of jnana and karma.  Jnana leads toliberation and karma leads to fruitive activities or enjoyment. . Iyearn for the company of that devotee who is completely devoid of alldesire for worldly enjoyment and liberation. That means, I yearn forthe association of a pure devotee.

(7) janaka, janani, dayita, tanay  prabhu, guru, pati-tuhu sarva-moy.

Father, mother, lover, son, Lord, preceptor, and husband-You areeverything to me. Krishna is everything to His devotee. For a devoteeKrishna is his father, Krishna is his mother, He is his lover, He ishis son, He is his master and He is his preceptor and – prabhu guru-for a woman He is the husband. Prabhu, guru, pati-tuhu sarva-moy – youare everything to me. That is how a devotee fells about Krishna.

(8) bhakativinoda kahe, suno kana  radha-natha! Tuhun hamara parana.

Bhaktivinode Thakura is saying, ‘O Radhanatha, the Lord of Srimati Radharani, You are my life and soul.’

[Now Guru Maharaja starts  singing the song.]
(1)mânasa deho, geho, jo kichu mor
arpilun tuwâ pade, nanda-kis’or!

(2) sampade vipade, jîvane-marane
dây mama gelâ, tuwâ o-pada varane

(3) mârobi râkhobi – jo icchâ tohâra
nitya-dâsa prati tuwâ adhikâra

(4)janmâobi moe icchâ jadi tor
bhakta-grihe jani janma hau mor

(5) kîtha janma hau jathâ tuwâ dâs
bahir-mukha brahmâ-janme nâhi âs’

(6) bhukti-mukti-sprihâ vihîna je bhakta
labhaite tânko sanga anurakta

(7)janaka, jananî, dayita, tanay                                                                                                                                                                                      prabhu, guru, pati – tuhû sarva-moy

(8) bhakativinoda kohe, suno kâna!
râdhâ-nâtha! tuhun hâmâra parâna

Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare

Nitai Gaura Haribol, Haribol, Haribol.

Hare Krishna , so, once again I’ll read the translation.  Mind,body, and family, whatever may be mine, including bank account(laughter) arpilu tuwa pade, nanda-kishor. I have surrendered at Yourlotus feet, O youthful son of Nanda Maharaja. Or I will surrender atYour lotus feet, O youthful son of Nanda Maharaja.  In good fortune orin bad, in life or at death, all my difficulties have disappeared bychoosing those feet of Yours as my only shelter.  Slay me or protect meas You wish, for You are the master of Your eternal servant.   If it isYour will that I be born again, then may it be in the home of Yourdevotee.  May I be born again even as a worm, so long as I may remainYour devotee. I have no desire to be borne as a Brahma averse to You. I yearn for the company of that devotee who is completely devoid of all desire of worldly enjoyment or liberation.  Father, mother, lover,son, Lord, preceptor and husband; You are everything to me.  ThakuraBhaktivinoda says, “O Kana, please hear me! O Lord of Radha, You are mylife and soul!”
Radhanatha tuhu hamara parana. So that is our prayer. Radhanath, theLord of Srimati Radharani, You are my life and soul. Krishnaconsciousness means to develop that attitude, to develop thatconsciousness. Radhanath Krishna is my everything.

Hare Krsna.
Does anybody have any question?

HH Bhakti Caru Maharaja: Yes?

Prabhu: Guru Maharaja the song is very———-says that mother fatherand lover, husband you are everything to me. So having Krishna ashusband, friend.  Prema that we can attain taht. Now if we are stillattached So if someone is attached to, you know,  his mother, father,brother, his relatives and is hesitating to fully surrender. So how canwe give up the attachment? ———

HH Bhakti Caru Maharaj: Well, by developing that specificrelationship with Krishna. So if I am attached to my father, then letme see that Krishna is my actual Father. I am related to my fatherbecause he is my father. Because I came from him, I have a link withhim I have a connection with him. But originally where did I come from?Krishna. So who is the original father? So in this way, therelationship that we appreciate, the relationship that we have a tastefor, through that relationship we link our connection with Krishna.  Ifsomeone is very attached to the child, the mother is attached to thechild,  the mother knows what the love for the child is like and shelearns to offer that love to Krishna, recognizing that Krishna is heractual child.  You see, in order to develop loving relationship we haveto experience that love.  A person who does not know what love is, howcan he love Krishna?  So we develop our loving relationships andthrough those relationships we find our relationship with Krishna. Wherever our attachment is, we shift that attachment to Krishna.

[Question unclear]  In the material world there are so much obstacles and sometimes competition….

BCS : In the spiritual also world there is competition.  The cowherdboys run who can touch Krishna first.  But those competitions arecentered around Krishna.  Those competitions do not create conflict. You remain neutral, you remain above all that.  Actually, what you aresaying you are trying to do something and somebody else is trying to dobetter than you and as a result of that you feel upset. Right,that iswhat you are saying (laughter) So, good, that you can recognize thatyou have so much false ego, is it good to have false ego, you want toharbor it?  Then, get rid of your false ego.

[Question unclear]
Yes, there is nothing wrong in that.  At the initial stage, Prabhupadasaid, we want liberation, we want to get out of this material nature,at an initial stage.  But at an advanced stage we see there is nodifference between the material and the spiritual nature.  At aninitial stage we see the difference between the material and spiritualnature, therefore we want to get out of the material nature and go tothe spiritual nature. But at an advanced stage one sees wherever thereis service to Krishna, that is spiritual.  This material nature is alsospiritual.  Like for example a person who is in charge of the prison,who is working for the prison on behalf of the king.  Although he is inthe prison, is it a prison to him?  It is his field of action.   Hisfield of activity, his field of service.  So at an advanced stage, to adevotee there is no difference between material and spiritual becausefor him everything is spiritual.

[Question unclear] :  how tolerance is the key to spiritual life [unclear]

HH Bhakti Caru Swami Yeah, you see, like when we are in the materialnature, sometimes we have to make adjustments.  We can’t rectify thesituation; the society is in a certain way.  So, we have to toleratethat, we have to accept that.  For example, the residents ofVrindavana, because Kamsa was their king, they are paying him tax. Although Kamsa was a demon and he was averse to Krishna, they weremaking the compromise.  So, when we are in a society, we have tosometimes make adjustments in the society which may not be palatable,which may not be desirable, but still we have to.  Like for examplewhen somebody is working, in an office or in a factory.  The atmosphereof the office is not so conducive, there are so many things which arehappening there.  But you know, because one has to earn money, one hasto make adjustments in that situation.  He cannot go to the boss andtell him.  Why they are gossiping, why they are eating meat, why theyare smoking, why they are drinking?  Then the boss will say, ok, if youdon’t like it, then you find a suitable situation for yourself.  If youdon’t like it here, you can go.  Isn’t it?  But yes, we like to go awayfrom that situation, but sometimes we cannot.  Specially, when one isin the household life, in this kind of situation, we have to make someadjustments.  And ultimately, detrimental situations will increase ourattachment to Krishna, if we are truly sincere about our devotion,about our relationship with Krishna, then this detrimental situationwill increase our attachment to Krishna.

[Question unclear]

HH Bhakti Caru Swami : We may not be on that level, but at leastthrough this we are learning which is the level which we want toachieve.  This is the goal, we may not have reached that goal.  Thegoal is there, we know, that is the goal.  And let us aspire to achievethat goal.  Even if you imitate, that’s good, but do it sincerely.  Allright?  Sincerely means, don’t imitate in order to get some cheapadmiration, not for name and fame.  But for getting Krishna’s mercy. Ultimately there are two ways, the spiritual nature and the materialnature.  Is it for my self interest or for Krishna’s pleasure? Ultimately these are the two considerations that we have open to us. And we have to consider, is it for my selfish interest that I am doingit?  Is it for my self aggrandizement that I am doing it or is it forpleasing Krishna, or is it for Krishna’s pleasure?  So, that should bethe consideration.  And out of this two which one should be thedesirable goal ,which one should be our consideration?  Krishna’spleasure, right? And then you can see whether you or pretending or youare real.  If it is for Krishna then it is real, if it is for you thenyou are pretending, right ?

[Question unclear]
HH Bhakti Caru Swami : Well, while answering the devotee’s question, Imade that point. That, there are two stages; one is the neophyte stageand the advanced stage.  At the neophyte stage, at the initial stagedesire for liberation is good.  But at an advanced stage oneautomatically becomes free from the desire for liberation.  Just like,when you see, that this material nature is full of misery, is full ofsuffering, then it is natural that you will feel, well, let me get outof here.  That tendency is natural.  I do not want to be here, thisplace is too bad, this place is terrible.  But then when you renderdevotional service and then you see that there is so much service thatyou can render here, by that time you do not really care for whetheryou like it or not, you are simply concerned for Krishna’s pleasure,then you see there is so much service, why should I go anywhere else . That is how you transcend that platform of desiring for liberation. Let’s put it this way : When we are in the material platform, when weare trying to enjoy karma, then when you achieve a more advanced stage,jnana.. Karma is, karma-kandha section is enjoyment in the materialnature but jnana leads us the way, shows us the way to get out of thematerial nature.  So, it is natural.  First you are trying to enjoy andyou are
suffering.  Then you think I don’t want to suffer, so you want to getout of here.  The desire for getting out of here is desire forliberation. But then you see, you come to the platform of bhakti.  Andthen you see, well, this is such a nice place to render service.  Thewhole world has become so demoniac, so there is so much to do in thisworld. Then what you want to do?  You want to run away from here whenthere
is so much service?  Or you want to be here to execute the service. That is how it is natural.

[Question unclear]

HH Bhakti Caru Swami : Okey, now, let us consider what is bhakti,what is the meaning of bhakti ? No, what is the meaning of the wordbhakti ? Okay, Loving Krishna, very good.  The bottom-line is : loveKrishna.  So you have to love Krishna.  In order to learn how to loveKrishna, you have to see those who love Krishna.  You have to be in theassociation of those who love Krishna.  And then you develop your lovefor Krishna.  The first consideration is to learn, to know that youneed to love Krishna, you have to cultivate, you have to learn how tolove Krishna.  Now you practice to learn.  And where do you practice? Like if you want to cook, you do not know how to cook.  If you want tolearn to cook, what will you do?  [Answer unclear]  Very good, you goto some expert cooks, right?  And there you learn.  Similarly, we haveto be in the association of devotees who have developed their love forKrishna and under their guidance we learn how to love Krishna.  Andinitially it is a matter of practice.  By practicing you becomeperfect.  First you practice then you become perfect.  That’s whybhakti has two stages.  One is sadhana bhakti, practising stage, andthe other is prema bhakti, perfected stage.  You practice and then youbecome perfect.  You practice how to cook and then one fine morning youfind that you have become an expert cook.  And then when you havebecome an expert cook then you won’t have to do anything separately. Those who will taste your food, they will say, Waw, what a good cookyou are.  Thank you. Hare Krishna.  All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

Yeah, okey. Question : Guru Maharaja, once I heard that loveactually is hampered when it is expressed.  Like we say: “I love you”,that is hampering love.  I have love for you…  [rest unclear]

HH Bhakti Caru Swami : It’s not saying your love for me.  But whatyou are saying is that due to my love for you, you have become my lifeand soul, you are my life and soul.  How does He become one’s life and
soul?  Because of the love.  And I don’t know who said that when youexpress your love, your love becomes minimized.  Like just consider ayoung boy is in love with a young girl.  Now, if that boy does not tellthat girl that he loves her, how will she know?  Similarly we have toexpress our love to Krishna.  We have to tell Krishna I love you. After all what is the Hare Krishna mantra ?  Krishna I love You,Krishna I love You, Krishna I love You…  (Laughter of the devotees)

Yes, Shankara ?
[Question unclear]
HH Bhakti Caru Swami : Saranagati, yeah, you see, devotion actuallybegins with dasya. Jivera svarupa hoy, Krishna nitya dasa.  At first weare the servants.  We are servants.  Servants are servants.  Some day,the master can say that I am so pleased with your service that I wantyou to become my friend.  The servant cannot tell the master, I want tobecome your friend, but the master can say that.  Our business is tobecome servants of Krishna.  And then if Krishna wants then He can makeus His friend or father or mother or lover.  That is up to Krishna. But yes, as you asked, it begins with servitorship.  First we areservant and then Krishna may give us any relationship it is up to Him.Okey.  Thank you.

Akhilar prabhu, do you have anything to say? [Answer unclear]

Hare Krishna
Gaura premanande.  Hari Haribol!