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Simply desiring is not sinful

Harikesa, wanting to clarify at what point such fallen personalities recognize their position and turn to the Lord, asked, "The dogs and monkeys, they feel grateful?"

"Yes," Prabhupada said. "When they come to sense they feel grateful. As dogs they cannot. As dog or monkey they cannot enhance their sinful activities -- it is stopped. And whatever they do, that is not taken into account. And to suffer as dog or monkey means counteracting all previous sins. One punishment -- finished, then he's fully liberated."

When Harikesa began to ask about desire, Srila Prabhupada interrupted to say that in Kali-yuga simply desiring was not sinful. But Harikesa's question was about how the change in desire from sinful to spiritual comes about. Since a person takes a lower birth due to his material desires and to be liberated he must have spiritual desires, he asked, "So whilst they're monkeys their desire must change. Or is that change forced upon them by the mercy of Krsna?"

Prabhupada said that if one was repentant then there was no punishment, but that the change in desire was indeed wrought by Krsna. "This is forceful change. That is the advantage of Vrndavana bhajana." But he added, "If one unconsciously, without any knowledge, does something wrong, that is excused. But they do willfully. They know it is wrong, still they do it. That is punished. Caitanya Mahaprabhu personally said, asat eka stri-sangi. Those who are habituated to illicit sex are punishable. Asat. It is very, very bad. And still if somebody does like that, he is punished. This is going on. Here illicit sex ... The babajis, I heard, they say, 'What is the wrong there? It is love.' They say like that, they take it as love, 'gopi's love,' they say. 'Gopi's used to do that, used to have illicit mixing, intermingling with Krsna. What is wrong?' they'll say. They get support from Krsna-lila. Such rogues they are, sahajiyas.

"There are many so-called gentlemen, they write books on Krsna-lila, paint picture. 'This is very nice. Krsna is advocating illicit intermingling.' They take it as support of their sinful activities. I have seen personally. Anyone who is a woman-hunter, he's being addressed by his friend, 'Oh, you are like Krsna.' They take Krsna as a man. How they will take instruction of Krsna? Avajananti mam mudhah. Param bhavam ajanantah. We are teaching people to become Krsna conscious, to become servant of Krsna, and the so-called enlightened gentlemen, take Krsna as a debauch, black debauch. They take Vaisnava religion is sex."


- From "A Transcendental Diary Vol 4" by HG Hari Sauri Prabhu
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