Prabhupada: Do you know what is the meaning of Krishna?
Ananda-marga woman: I believe Krishna was one form of God. You said something about extension of Krishna. It’s the same.
Prabhupada: Krishna means “the all-attractive.” As you say that God is so beautiful, so that is, in other words, all-attractive. So if you have realized God, then you have become perfect.
Ananda-marga woman: No.
Prabhupada: No?
Ananda-marga woman: Whenever I realize God I receive it through my mind and not perfect. But if I meditate and surrender, then there is no distance between me and God. I reach God and I become one with God. And that’s the only time I can call everything true meditation. And that’s the only time I experience this life in me. And I cannot talk about it as “me and God” because it was the same as God, because I became one with God. And there was no distance really.
Prabhupada: Then you are God?
Ananda-marga woman: I am not God. I am just… I truly experience this God through me all the time.
Prabhupada: You say that you and God, one, and again you say that you are not…
Ananda-marga woman: If I meditate, then I become surrendered to God. And I’m trying to do that by trying to take this distance away.
Prabhupada: That means when you surrender to God, then you become God, that you are surrendered God, and He is the person to be surrendered. There are two Gods, why not? You say, “I surrender to God.”
Ananda-marga woman: I said when I surrender to God…
Prabhupada: Yes, that means God is different from you; otherwise how you can surrender to Him?
Ananda-marga woman: Right. When I am out, off in the world, when my mind is working, then I’m separate from God. I have made myself separate from God by the senses, by my mind, thinking. But then, when I…
Prabhupada: Then you have to accept that you are one and different from God simultaneously. That is the conclusion, that you say sometimes that you are one, and at the same time you say different, therefore the philosophy comes to this point, that you are simultaneously one and different from God.
Ananda-marga woman: The whole thing is that the God is inside of me…
Prabhupada: Yes.
Ananda-marga woman: …and for me to realize it, to become one with it, to realize it, not to be away from it, I have it…
Prabhupada: Then who will realize? You are different to realize. You say the God is within you. Therefore God is different from you, but He is within you. You require to realize. Therefore you are different from God. Otherwise there is no question of realization.
Ananda-marga woman: You see. What I have experienced, I believe it’s my home. I believe it’s where I have come from, because it is beyond whatever I have experienced in this worldly life. And so I see that I have a different shape. I have a body and I have a mind which distract me from my true nature, which is God, which is godly and which is beautiful, which is light. But when I surrender myself I become one with it again, I go back home. It is like taking a trip, you know. And you always want to go back home, but you take a trip because there is this wanting to go back home, and it’s very beautiful. And this body is like a trip, you know. Taking a body of human being is like a trip. You’re going to go back home, and you realize it, and you try to go back home.
Prabhupada: That I can understand, that sometimes you realize that you are one, and sometimes you realize that you are different. That means simultaneously you are one and different from God. This is the conclusion. Acintya-bhedabheda. This is the philosophy, acintya, inconceivable, one and different, one because we are one in quality, and different in quantity. That is our position. Nityo nityanam cetanas cetananm. The Vedic information is like that, that He is the Supreme Being amongst all beings. He is also being, we are also being, but He is the Supreme Being. So as being, we are one, but as Supreme and subordinate, we are different. This is the conclusion. As being, living being, we are one. That is not very difficult. Just like in your country the king, the Shah, he is also a being and you are also a being. But he is the supreme being in this country. Although as human being you are equal, but so far his power, his position is concerned, he is different. Similarly, as being, we are one with God, but so far the power and position is concerned, He is too big, the great. We are subordinate. This is our position. That is the right conclusion.
Dr. Movebhed: Is that really the right conclusion?
Prabhupada: Yes, this is the right conclusion, that God is also Supreme Being and we are also being, so as being, we are one, but as Supreme, He is different. That is the right conclusion. You are not Supreme Being. You are being controlled by the Supreme Being. You cannot say that you are independent. Therefore you are not Supreme. You are dependent on Him. Eko hi yasya vidadhati kaman, bahunam vidadhati kaman. He maintains. Just like this coconut. God has given us this coconut fruit to enjoy or to live upon it. But I cannot create this coconut. It is not possible. Therefore, for my maintainance He has sent this coconut. So He is maintainer; I am maintained, although He is being; I am also being. He is maintainer being; I am maintained being. This is the right conclusion.
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