Transcription & Editing : Syama-Mohini Dasi, Sacikumara Dasa, Atul Krishna Dasa, Premalila Dasi, Ramananda Raya Dasa

THE FOL LOW ING IS A CLASS GIVEN BY HIS HOLINESS BHAKTI CHARU SWAMI ON TURSDAY SEPTEMBER 16TH 2010, AT ISKCON UJJAIN.

Six limbs of saranagati are humility, surrender of the self,accepting Krsna as the Lord and Master, only shelter and having thefull faith that Krsna will always protect. This one we have not done.In the last three classes, we discussed about dainya, we discussedabout atma nivedan and we discussed about goptrite varan, and the threethings we did not discuss are – avasya rakhibe krsna visvas palan.Avasya means positive, definitely. Rakshibe means will protect –Krishna. Visvasa Palan, Visvas means to have the faith and palan meansto maintain. Maintain the faith – to have the faith that Krsna willdefinitely protect me. In order to surrender to Krsna – Thisunderstanding is very, very important. Krsna is my Lord and Master.Does the owner take care of His property? Isn’t it natural that theowner will take care of his property? If you have property don’t youprotect it ? Don’t you take care of it? If I am Krsna’s property thenwill Krsna protect me ? So to have that implicit faith – avasya rakhibeKrsna visvasya palan Then bhakti anukul matra karjero sweekar.Accepting whatever is favorable to Krsna Consciousness. Whatever isfavorable do we accept?  Let’s say when you are doing something – thendon’t you do whatever is favorable. Say for example, you have to go toDelhi from Ujjain. So in order to go to Delhi, won’t you do whatever isfavorable to go to Delhi?  Like whatever is favorable – You cannot walkto Delhi. So you have to catch a train, take a train. Now in order totake the train you find out from the timetable what is the favorabletrain for you to take.  And then you make a reservation before hand,because you have to sleep in the train, so you have to have a bed. Ifyou don’t have…you may get into the train, but if you don’t have aplace to sit or a bunk to lie down, then will it be easy for you to goto Delhi? It will be difficult. So these are the things that  arefavorable to do something. If you want bhakti then won’t you do it?Won’t you accept whatever is favorable to bhakti? So whatever isfavorable, you have to consider that and you have to accept that.Bhakti anukul matra karjero sweekar and bhakti pratikul matravarjanangikar – whatever is detrimental you reject that. You have to goto Delhi, so if there is a train that is going to Bombay. Will you getinto that train?  Because that is not going to Delhi, it’s goingsomewhere else. So why should you take a train that is not going toDelhi? So this is detrimental. The train starts at 6’o clock and if youend up in the station at 7’o clock. Will it be anukul or pratikul –favorable or detrimental? It will be detrimental. So in this way, inbhakti also we have to accept whatever is favorable and we have toreject whatever is unfavorable or detrimental. Whatever is creatingobstacles to bhakti that should be rejected.  Like bhakti means toserve Krsna. Now if you want to become a servant of Krsna but if youend up developing an unfavorable relationship with Krsna, will it begood for you? You want bhakti but if you end up becoming an enemy ofKrsna, will you be able to develop bhakti? So these are the pratikul –detrimental activities.  You have stomach upset, and what is anukul forstomach upset ? To take a medicine, or you can say to take yogurt withchipped rice and banana is anukul for curing the stomach digestion,stomach upset. And what is pratikul for stomach upset? If you take alot of fried samosa, and kachauri dripping with ghee, will that beanukul for your stomach upset? No it will be pratikul – detrimental.Similarly bhakti also, we have to know whatever is favorable to bhaktiand whatever is unfavorable to bhakti. So things that are favorable weaccept that, things that are unfavorable we reject that. Then what isthe ultimate goal of bhakti.  Ultimate goal of bhakti is Krsna premaand how does one get Krsna Prema – one gets Krsna Prem by takingshelter of the Holy Name. Caitanya Mahaprabhu came to distribute KrsnaPrema.  Now you all know, Namo maha vadanyaya Krsna prema pradaya te,but how Mahaprabhu distributed Krsna prema. Mahaprabhu distributedKrsna prema through the Holy Name. The Holy Name will give you Krsnaprema. Therefore at the end of this chapter of Sarangati, BhaktiVinodaThakur is writing the glory of the HolyName.

So The lory of the Holy Name has 8 verses, he is saying :

(1) krishna-nama dhare koto bal, I do not know what strength thisHoly Name of Krsna has… vishaya-vasananale, mora citta sada jwale – inthe visaya-vasana – In the desire of enjoying the material world…

Jaya Sri Sri Radha-Mohan Ki Jaya!

Jaya Sri Sri Krishna-Balarama Ki Jaya!

Jaya Sri Sri Gaura-Nitai Ki Jaya!

vishaya-vasananale, – visaya means material desires, in the fire ofmaterial desire, mora citta sada jwale, – my heart is constantlyburning.  My heart is constantly burning in the fire of material desires.  vishaya-vasananale,  mora citta sada jwale, In the fire ofmaterial desires, my citta – my heart is constantly burning. ravi-taptamaru-bhumi-sama like a desert scorched by the rays of the sun.karna-randhra-patha diya,  hridi majhe praveshiya – it entered throughthe pathway of my ears and came to the region of my heart.   …the holyname entered, karna-randhra,patha diya, hrdi majihe pravesiya, it entered to the passage of my ears and came to the region of my heart. Hrdi majihe pravesiya, varisoya sudha anupam – it showers nectar, anupam-unique, it showers a unique nectar.

(2) hrdoya hoite bole, jihvara agrete cale, sabda-rupe nace anuksan. It rises from my heart and comes to the tip of my tongue. Rising from the bottom of my heart it comes to the tip of my tongue. Hrdoya hoite bole, jihvara agrete cale. Then, sabda-rupe nace anuksan,in the form of sound vibration it constantly dances. So you get it?What happens to the Holy Name? It enters… How do you receive the HolyName? With hear. And hear means, it enters through our ears. And wheredoes it go? It goes to our heart. And then it rises from our heart andcomes to the tip of our tongue. And of the tip of our tongue whathappens? It begins to dance. The Holy Name begins to dance in the formof sound vibration. Sabda-rupe nace anuksan. Kanthe mora bhange swara, itis rising. When it is rising from the heart to the tongue, see whathappened. Kantha means the throat. It cracks my voice inside thethroat. It chokes, the throat gets choked up. Kanthe mora bhange swara, in my throat it chokes up. Anga kanpe thara thara, my body begins to tremble. Anga kanpe thara thara. Sthira hoite na pare caran. My legs cannot become steady. I cannot stand. Because my legs started to give in, it starts to wobble.

(3) cakse dhara, cakse means eyes. Tears come streaming down my eyes. Cakse dhara. Dehe gharma. My body begins to perspire. Pulakita saba carma, in my skin the hairs stand on end. Vivarna hoilo kalevara, the body becomes colourless, vivarna. The body becomes pale. That is one of the ecstatic symptoms on chanting the Holy Name. Murchita hoilo man, my mind swooned, my mind became unconscious. Pralayera agaman, as if the time of devastation has arrived. Bhave sarva-deha jara jara. My whole body is afflicted with transcendental emotion for Krishna.

(4) kori’ eto upadrava, causing so much distresses and disturbances. Kori’ eto upadrava, citte varse sudha-drava, it begins to shower nectar in my heart and in my consciousness. More dare premera sagare,and plunges me into an ocean of love. Bhaktivinode Thakura is saying,it created, it caused so much disturbance, it choked my voice, it madetears come from my eyes, it made the whole body perspire with sweat, mywhole body started to tremble, my legs couldn’t become steady anymore,it made me unconscious, it took away all the colour from my body. Whenthe body becomes swooned it becomes divoid of colour, like a dead body.Does a dead body have a colour? That is called vivarna, or becomes pale. Bhaltivinode Thakure is saying, it is causing so much disturbances, kori’ eto upadrava, but then again, what is it doing? On one hand it is to causing so much disturbances and at the same time, citte varse sudha-drava, in my heart it begins to shower nectar. And more dare premera sagare, it plunges me into an ocean of love, the ocean of Krishna prema. Kori’ eto upadrava, citte varse sudha-drava, more dare premera sagare. Kichu na bujhite dilo, it didn’t allow me to understand anything. More to’ batula koilo, it made me insane. Mora citta-vitta saba hare,and it stole my mind, it stole my consciousness, it stole my wealth, itstole my everything. See what the Holy Name has done to me.

Then Bhaktivinode Thakura is saying. (5) loinu asroya ja’r, heno vavahrar ta’r,the personality whose shelter I have taken, look how He is behaving. Itook His shelter and see what He is done to me. I took His shelter andHe took my mind, He took my consciousness, He took my wealth – He tookeverything from me. Varnite na pari e sakal, I cannot describe what He has done to me. Krsna-nama iccha-moy, then he is saying, after all, the Holy Name is completely independent. Krsna-nama iccha-moy, the holy name is completely independent. Jahe jahe sukhi hoy, let Him be happy in which ever way, it feels happy. Sei mora sukhere sambal, that is the source of my happiness. If the Holy Name is happy by doing this, then let Him be. Krsna-nama iccha-moy, the holy name is completely independent. Becauseindependent means independent. I can’t dictate the terms to the HolyName. When someone is independent and I’m surrendering can I dictate?Can I tell him, do this, do that for me? Then how it is surrendered?Surrender means, you are completely independent you can do whatever youwant to do with me.

(6)  premera kalika nam, the Holy Name is the bud of Krishna prema. Adbhuta rasera dham, it is the reservoir of an unique transcendental source of mellow. Adbhuta rasere dham. Rasa means, the transcendental mellows through which ones experiences the joy of Krishna prema.So, Bhaktivinode Thakura now is comparing the Holy Name to a bud of aflower. And that bud is the reservoir of all the transcendentalmellows. Heno bala karaye prakash . And it displays such power 10.11 Ishat vikashi’ punah,  dekhay nija-rupa-guna The bud is closed but then the bud begins to open a little. Ishat vikashi’ punah When the bud of Krishna prema open a little then it shows Krishna’s form, Krishna’s beautiful form and Krishna’s qualities. Dekhay nija-rupa-guna…  …ishat vikashi’ punah dekhay nija-rupa-guna citta hari’ loya krishna-pash andit steals my heart and takes me to Krishna. You see, what Holy Namedoes…  Holy Name is the bud. But when the bud begins to bloom, a littlebit, not fully bloom but a little, it shows Krishna’s form andKrishna’s qualities. Because Holy Name is Krishna Himself. ShowsKrishna’s form and Krishna’s qualities.  Dekhay nija-rupa-guna and then citta hari’ loya krishna-pash it steals my heart, it steals my mind and takes me to Krishna. And then purna vikashita hoiyawhen that bud becomes fully bloomed… opening a little, what it did ?when it opens a little it shows Krishna’s transcendental form andKrishna’s transcendental qualities and took me to Krishna and now ithas become fully bloomed purna vikashita hoiya,  braje more jaya loiya and takes me to Vrindavan. Purna vikashita hoiya,  braje more jaya loiya, dekhay more swarupa-vilasand it show His transcendental pastimes. When you go to Vraja what willyou do? When you go to Vraja there you will see Krishna’s pastimes. Braje more jaya loiya, dekhay more swarupa-vilas more siddha-deha diya,  krishna-pashe rakhe giya, e dehera kore sarva-nashit awards me my spiritual form. See, what the Holy Name will do? Whenit becomes fully bloomed, it takes me to Vraja and shows me Krishna’stranscendental pastimes. And then it awards me my spiritual forms,siddha-deha. More siddha-deha diya,  krishna-pashe rakhe giyait keeps me next to Krishna or makes me enter into Krishna’s pastimes.Not only see Krishna’s pastimes but I participate in Krishna’spastimes. And e dehera kore sarva-nash, and completely destroys this body, completely ruins this body, sarva-nash. Krishna-nama-cintamani, the Holy Name of Krishna is like cintamani. Akhila rasera khani it is the reservoir of all the transcendental mellows. Nitya-mukta shuddha-rasa-moy it is eternally liberated and it is full of transcendental ecstasy and mellows. Namera balai jata whatever is there in the Holy Name, saba lo’ye hoi hata, whatever the potency, whatever the assets of the Holy Name, with that I become overwhelmed. Tabe mora sukhera udoythen it is the dawn, then my actual happiness begins, that is the dawn,dawning of my actual happiness. Isn’t it wonderful? This is howBhaktivinoda Thakur is describing or explaining what the Holy Name is.What is the Holy Name? This is the Holy Name. You chant the Holy Nameproperly although…. at the beginning it is like a bud but as it startsto bloom due to your chanting then you’ll see Krishna’s form. From theHoly Name Krishna’s form will become manifested. Krishna’s qualitieswill become manifested. Krishna’s qualities will become manifested. Andin this way the Holy Name will take you to Krishna’s pastimes.Nama-rupa-guna-lila, lila – pastimes. When you enter into the lila yousee Krishna’s associates and you become one of Krishna’s associates….parikar… So, this is how everything will be achieved by the Holy Name.You will become elevated to the spiritual sky in your siddha-deha, inyour spiritual form, becoming separated from your material body. Andthen the material body won’t have, bear any significance (?) … korishaprakash…. Although the material body will be there but you won’t haveany concern for this material body. Ok. So we can sing this song…

Nama-mahatmya : The Glories Of The Holy Name

(1)

krishna-nama dhare koto bal

vishaya-vasananale,  mora citta sada jwale,

ravi-tapta maru-bhumi-sam

karna-randhra-patha diya,  hridi majhe praveshiya,

varishoya sudha anupam

1) What power does the name of Krishna possess? My heart constantlyburns in the fire of worldly desires, just like a desert scorched bythe rays of the sun. The holy name, entering the core of my heartthrough the holes of my ears, showers unparalleled nectar upon my soul.

(2)

hridoya hoite bole,  jihvara agrete cale,

shabda-rupe nace anukshan

kanthe mora bhange swara,  anga kanpe thara thara,

sthira hoite na pare caran

2) The holy name speaks from within my heart, moves onto the tip ofmy tongue, and constantly dances on it in the form of transcendentalsound. My throat becomes choked up, my body shivers again and again,and my feet cannot remain still.

(3)

cakshe dhara, dehe gharma,  pulakita saba carma,

vivarna hoilo kalevara

murchita hoilo man,  pralayera agaman,

bhave sarva-deha jara jara

3) Rivers of tears flow from my eyes, perspiration completely soaksmy body, all my skin thrills with rapture, my hairs stand on end, andmy complexion turns pale and discolored. My mind grows faint, I beginto experience devastation, and my entire body is shattered in a floodof ecstatic emotions.

(4)

kori’ eto upadrava,  citte varshe sudha-drava,

more dare premera sagare

kichu na bujhite dilo,  more to’ batula koilo,

mora citta-vitta saba hare

4) While causing such an ecstatic disturbance, the holy name showersliquid nectar on my heart and drowns me in the ocean of divine love ofGodhead. He does not allow me to understand anything, for He has mademe truly mad by having stolen away my mind and all my resources.

(5)

loinu ashroya ja’r,  heno vyavahara ta’r,

varnite na pari e sakal

krishna-nama iccha-moy,  jahe jahe sukhé hoy,

sei mora sukhera sambal

5) Such is the behavior of Him in whom I have taken shelter. I amnot capable of describing all this. The holy name of Krishna isindependent and thus acts on His own sweet will. In whatever way Hebecomes happy, that is also my way of happiness.

(6)

premera kalika nam,  adbhuta rasera dham,

heno bala karaye prakash

éshat vikashi’ punah,  dekhay nija-rupa-guna,

citta hari’ loya krishna-pash

6) The holy name is the bud of the flower of divine love, and is thevery abode of astonishing mellows. Such is the power He manifests thatwhen His holy name starts to blossom a little further, it then revealsHis own divine form and qualities. Thus my heart is abducted and takendirectly to Krishna.

(7)

purna vikashita hoiya,  braje more jaya loiya,

dekhay more swarupa-vilas

more siddha-deha diya,  krishna-pashe rakhe giya,

e dehera kore sarva-nash

7) Blossoming fully, the flower of the holy name takes me to Vrajaand reveals to me His own love-dalliance. This name gives to me my owneternal spiritual body, keeps me right by Krishna’s side, andcompletely destroys everything related to this mortal frame of mine.

(8)

krishna-nama-cintamani,  akhila rasera khani,

nitya-mukta shuddha-rasa-moy

namera balai jata,  saba lo’ye hoi hata,

tabe mora sukhera udoy

The name of Krishna is a transcendental touchstone, a mine of alldevotional mellows. It is eternally liberated, and the embodiment ofpure rasa. When all impediments to the pure chanting of the holy nameare taken away and destroyed, then my happiness will know its trueawakening.

His Holiness Bhakti Caru Swami : Hare Krsna. So does anybody have any questions? Yes Krsnarcan, come in where is the cordless mike?

(Q)Before I ask my question I want to ask the other three aspects ofSaranagati that is not covered, anything could be done about that..

His Holiness Bhakti Caru Swami : Anything that could be done about?..

(Q) the other three aspects of Saranagati?

His Holiness Bhakti Caru Swami : Yes, we discussed that.

(Q)We have only done three

His Holiness Bhakti Caru Swami : Today also we discussedbriefly, avasya raksibe krsna visvasa palana, that Krsna will protect,Krsna will always protect, and to accept whatever is favourable andwhatever is detrimental, we briefly discussed about that, like taking atrain to Delhi, and not to take a train to Bombay, when your goal is togo to Delhi.

(Q) Regarding this particular song I had the impression that it issaid it is sung and all the ecstatic symptoms will manifest.  Howeveris it that we have the effect that the symptoms manifest even to alittle extent or it may even happen much later?

His Holiness Bhakti Caru Swami : It is up to Krsna, as itis saying krsna nama icchamaya, Krsna’s name is completely independent.Let Him decide. Whether I have to come back for millions of lifetimesor whether I will be elevated instantaneously. You know the story ofthe cobbler and the yogi? Yogi was upset when he was told he will haveto come back another lifetime, he was thinking: “I have performed somuch austerities, I have undergone so much difficulties and you aresaying that in this life I will not attain liberation.” And what wasNarada Muni’s answer. “Look that is what Krsna said what can I say?”And when he went to the cobbler, what did Narada Muni tell the cobbler?That as many leaves there are in the tamarind tree that many times youhave to come and tamarind tree is huge and each branch of tamarind treehas about twenty five leaves, so how many leaves are there in thetamarind tree? That many times you have to come back. What did thecobbler say? “Oh, at least some day Krsna will call me back to Him”. And then what happened? All the leaves fell off and the chariot camefrom Vaikuntha, so this is how Krishna, it’s entirely up to Krsna. Wedon’t care, what’s the harm? Aren’t we enjoying our spiritual lifehere? We have our preaching, we have our service, we have ourassociation of devotees, we have our Deities to worship, what else dowe need? Will going back to the spiritual sky be any different fromwhat we are doing now? So why should we separately endeavour or desirefor going back to the spiritual sky when the spiritual sky for us hascome down here. Why should we go there when it has already come downhere?

(Question inaudible)… the purpose of my asking was that as we are apreaching movement isn’t it that we can until, because as a preacher isan uttama, like Srila Prabhupada didn’t exhibit this………so long as oneis in the preaching movement the last experience and emotion onebecomes completely absorbed only in bhajan at one stage only he willexperience something like that?

His Holiness Bhakti Caru Swami : Again as I say let us behappy wherever we are. The source of happiness actually is to be herenow. And the source of unhappiness is always wanting to be somewhereelse and not now and not here now. That is the problem with most ofpeople they are not happy, they are not content with whatever theyhave, they are always aspiring for something else. Like BhaktivinodaThakur put it in this way, “forget the past that sleeps, never futuredream at all, live with the time that are with thee and progress theeshall call”. So forget the past it is gone and let’s not dream aboutthe future. Oh, in future this is what will happen and let’s just tryto appreciate what we have right now. Live with the time that are withthee, this is what we have. This is the time that we have, this is thetime that is with me, so why don’t I fully appreciate it? So to be inspiritual life, it doesn’t matter whether I am a kanistha adhikari ormadhyama adhikari or uttama adhikari, I don’t care. I am just what I amand I am fortunate that I have somehow come in contact with Krsnaconsciousness and I have somehow engaged in this activity of devotionalservice in the association of devotees. Isn’t it wonderful?  So that ishow a devotee feels.

Yes Sadhana Siddha? Give him the cordless mike.

(Q) Gurumaharaja, how do we recognise someone is chanting pure holyname it apparently seems that someone is chanting sincerely..

His Holiness Bhakti Caru Swami : Don’t worry about someoneelse, worry about yourself. So say that, how can I recognise how I amchanting, not how someone else is chanting? See how much your mind isin the Holy Name. How attentively you are hearing the Holy Name or yourmind is wavering your mind is running here there and everywhere. Sothat is up to you to figure out and you are the best person to detectthat. The pure name means, one who is completely absorbed in hearingand chanting the Holy Name.

(Q)Maharaja many times when you are chanting we close our eyes andas soon as we close our eyes and  chanting then our mind goes here andthere we are just chanting and we are thinking about many thingssometimes it comes back and after a few seconds it again goes. So howto keep it ……

His Holiness Bhakti Caru Swami : (laughing) You’refortunate that your mind runs here there and everywhere when your eyesare closed, with many of us it happens with our eyes wide open. So whenyou see that the mind is going somewhere, just bring it back. Should weallow our mind to go here there and everywhere? Is that attentivechanting? One of the offences is to be inattentive while chanting.(1h1min 9sec)  So, this is a symptom of inattentiveness.  Attentivechanting means to be completely absorbed.

(Q) How to make it happen ?

His Holiness Bhakti Caru Swami : By making it happen. Mindwill run. Just as Arjuna told Krsna – cancalam hi manah Krsna pramathibalavad drdham  Mind is cancala, cancala means flickering – fickle.Mind is fickle,  mind is running here, there everywhere. Mind is notsteady at one place. So that is the state of mind, mind will do thatbut should we allow the mind to do that. Like for example when you arepreparing for your studies, preparing for your exams. You are readingthe books. Should you allow your mind to go anywhere, or should youforce the mind to be focused on the book. Similarly when you arechanting, our mind should be focused on to the Holy Name. Just hearing,just hear that’s why Srila Prabhupada said – just hear.   That is theway to fix the mind and somebody asked Prabhupada, but if the mind  —the moment he said mind – Srila Prabhupada said, what’s mind, there isno mind, just hear. That is the business of the mind. You will hearonly when the mind is there. When the mind is not there you will nothear. Like the perception takes place with the connection of the mind.Like an object may be there in front of my eyes and my eyes may beopen, but as long as the mind is not tuned into through the eyes ontothe object. We won’t see that object. Isn’t it so? So that is why mindis, our perception will be only when the mind is in there. So if it isa matter of hearing – the next point is how you receive sound. Do youreceive sound with your hands, do you receive sound with your eyes. Howdo you receive sound? By hearing. So the Holy Name is the form of theLord as the sound vibration, so He has appeared in the form oftranscendental sound vibration. So how are you going to receive theLord in that form, through hearing. Therefore mind should be onlyhearing.

[Question unclear] – Hare Krishna Maharaja, Maharaja sometimes, ….

His Holiness Bhakti Caru Swami: You mean, you are chanting and reading Krsna book ?

[No…]

Ok, very good point.  So when you are reading the Krsna Book thenthrough the description you are seeing Krsna’s pastimes, you are in away transported to Krsna’s pastimes through the mind. But that is notthe real way to enter. The entering in the pastimes will be when yourconsciousness with your identity is there. It’s like this: you’reseeing a painting of New York City. You’re seeing the painting but areyou in New York. No. With the colours, the New York City, impression ofNew York city has been portrayed. Similarly in the books through wordsthat scene is portrayed, so you get an impression of the scene, you getan idea of the scene, somewhat mental perception of the scene, but youare not there. But what the Holy Name will do through pure chanting, Hewill take you there. That means you will be there. You as a jiva willbe there with your spiritual identity.

His Holiness Bhakti Caru Swami:  From Nita from Indore.Dear Maharaj, please accept my humble obeisances.  All glories to SrilaPrabhupada. Please explain little more the last line of the 8th verseof today’s song.

His Holiness Bhakti Caru Swami : The last line of thetoday’s verse is Krishna Nama Cintamani. Chintamani – means touchstone.What does touchstone do, what is the special characterstic oftouchstone. Touchstone turns something – a base metal into gold. Nowthe transcendental touch stone has even greater qualities, it turns atouchstone into a touchstone. So Krsna Nam Chintamani and it says thischintamani of Krsna Nam, is a reservoir of all the transcendentalmellows.  Mellows are actually the basis of developing relationship,the mellows are neutrality, servitorship, friendship, parental andconjugal and these are the principal mellows. There are secondarymellows – 7 secondary mellows. That laughter or fun/joke, surprise,chivalry, wonder, anger, ghastly, fearsome, and pathos. So these arethe mellows that causes the emotion to be experienced about ourrelationship with Krsna. Through Krsna’s pastimes we get toexperience.  Through this we experience our relationship, we enjoy ourrelationship through the loving exchange based on those mellows. So theHoly Name is a reservoir of those mellows. All the mellows are there inthe holy name.  krsna nama cintamani,  akhila rasera khani,nitya-mukta, uddha-rasa-moy.  And it is eternally – the Holy Name isnot a thing of this material nature. The holy name is of the spiritualworld. And in the spiritual sky everything is eternal and everything isliberated. So Holy Name is eternal and Holy Name is liberated –eternally liberated. And it is full of pure mellows. nitya-muktasuddha-rasa-moy, namera balai jata– when all impediments to the purechanting of the Holy Name are taken away and destroyed. Then myhappiness will know it’s true awakening. So Namer Balaye Jato –whatever is there in the Holy Name, whatever the Holy Name stands for,whatever the Holy Name has, whatever the Holy Name is, I becomeover-whelmed with all that.  You see that means the Holy Name becomeseverything to me. Holy Name is everything for me, just as you know wehave the understanding Krsna is everything. So in this way we areseeing that the Holy Name is everything to me and tabe mora sukheraudoy then my real happiness awakens. Real happens dawns, then myhappiness will know it’s true awakening.

His Holiness Bhakti Caru Swami : Okay that question, thenext question is how can I become humble? That is the biggest questionactually, we can talk for hours and hours. The other day I was actuallythinking about it were you here the first day when we discussed aboutdainya the first aspect of saranagati, the first aspect of saranagatiis dainya or humble disposition and so after the class I was thinkingthat I spoke so much about becoming humble but I was thinking howhumble I have become, so proudly I gave the class on how to becomehumble. I think we just have to pray to Krsna that somehow we candevelop this quality and see the way again so I can say we can talk forhours on this topic but the real thing will be our natural state ofconsciousness. But anyway theoretically at least we know consider thatbecoming humble is in relation to becoming aware of Krsna’s greatness,we cannot just become humble like that. But when we see Krsna’sgreatness when we become aware of Krsna’s greatness then in relation toKrsna’s greatness we become we start becoming aware of our minutenessand simply by becoming aware of Krsna’s greatness only can we becomeaware of our minuteness. And that is the way to become humble. In thisrespect often I think of one example. You see Akbar the great Mogulking, Mogul emperor had a minister called Birbal. Birbal was famous forhis wit, famous for his intelligence, and other ministers becameenvious of Birbal. And they complained to Akbar why are you so partialtowards Birbal? Why you always display your favour to Birbal as ifBirbal is everything in the court. So Akbar tried to make themunderstand that Birbal is so intelligent, Birbal is so wise.  But stillAkbar could see that they were not convinced so next morning when Akbarcame to the court, he drew a line on the floor with a chalk and then heasked that can anyone make this line shorter without rubbing it off ?Can anybody make this line shorter? So Akbar asked one by one, no-oneknew how to do that. Then Akbar asked Birbal Birbal what about you?Birbal said fine. So he took the chalk and drew a line next to that oneand which was longer than that, and he said that now your line isshorter. So in relation to the greatness of Krsna we’ll be able torecognise the minuteness of ourselves. So that is how we have to becomehumble. Simply by recognising Krsna’s greatness. Like for example youbecome aware that Krsna really lifted the Govardhan Hill. Now can youlift Govardhan Hill? On your little finger? Never! So Krsna is great. Ican’t even dream of doing something like that. What to speak ofGovardhan Hill. I can’t even take this cellphone on my finger on mylittle finger and balance it for seven minutes, but Krsna liftedGovardhan Hill and held it for seven days on His little finger. So inthis way by becoming aware of Krsna’s greatness we can learn to becomehumble.

[Question] I’ll take this question and you get ready with themicrophone. Yesterday you told about Mukunda Maharaja and otherdevotees how they entered in London. At the time of Srila Prabhupadaeven grhasta devotees are so fired up without worrying about theirhome, temple, occupation, they’re so much in service and fullysurrendered to Srila Prabhupada. What is the reason I am missing thatspirit? Please bless me so that I can have a bit of that serviceattitude. Your insignificant aspiring servant, Akshay.

His Holiness Bhakti Caru Swami : Who is Akshay, Okay, verygood. So again when you read Lilamrita and come across the wonderfulachievements and surrender of these devotees, take the example andbecome exemplary become like that. Right? That is very good that youare thinking that way. Thank you.

[Question inaudible]

His Holiness Bhakti Caru Swami : Well you see in thematerial nature we have become conditioned. Conditioned means we havelost track of the spiritual sky, we have lost track of our spiritualidentity. We have become conditioned, we have become subjected to theenvironmental arrangement, arrangements of the environment and we reactand on top of everything we got stuck with this body and it is such aneffort for the soul to maintain the body. It is such an effort for thesoul to make the body conscious and keep it going and then on top ofthat it is constantly being bombarded by all the objects of the senses.So it is natural that you will forget. So keep struggling.  At leastnow you know beforehand did you know that? You didn’t know that, whenyou didn’t know that did you ever think of achieving that? No so nowthat you at least got the information, so now you are endeavouring andthrough that endeavour you will achieve your perfection. It willhappen. You keep endeavouring and the perfection will come. At leastyou are endeavouring now that is at least a positive sign.

[Question unclear ]:  His Holiness Bhakti Caru Swami :  How do you know that you get liberated after thousand births ?

[Further unclear]: His Holiness Bhakti Caru Swami. Yes,Okay.  Right, Okay.  So,  that’s why, don’t get diverted.  That’ s whydevotees prayer is janmaobi isa…, that if You want me to take birthagain, then please!!! allow me to be borne in the family of a devotee,in the house of a devotee.  So, that is the prayer that we don’t getdiverted, we don’t deviate  from Krishna Consciousness.  That is theprayer of the devotee.  Devotee doesn’t say that you liberate me now. Devotee prays, that please let me stay on the path of devotion, lifeafter life.  If you don’t deviate, then you will keep going.  If youknow, if you found the way to some place.  If you stick to this way. Like you found the way to Delhi, the path will take you to Delhi.  Ifyou know that the path will take you to Delhi, then what should you do? So, similarly, our goal is the spiritual sky and we found the path tothe spitirual sky, So now let us stay on that path to the spiritualnature.  Okay?  Thank you.

Question : Even though Krishna knows our potency and capability, whydoes He put us  in situations that break us down completely  and putsus in anxiety ?  Why does He make such difficult tests, even afterknowing how weak we are?  This is from Vaidevi? Even though Krishnaknows our potency and capability, why does He put us in situations thatbreak us down completely and puts us into anxiety?

His Holiness Bhakti Caru Swami : Krishna does not put youinto anxiety.  You put yourself into anxiety.  Krishna simply makes yougo through your course of your karmic reactions.  With all of us,prakrteh kriyamanani gunaih karmani sarvasah.  Whatever is happening tous in this material nature, is simply due to our past karma and theinfluence of the three modes of material nature.  Right?  So, when youbecome first in your class, in exams you come out with brilliantresult, what should you think?  That in the past you must have donesomething good and as the result of your good karma you are getting thegood result.  And while playing with your friends, if you fall and youget hurt, then what should you think? That in the past you must havedone something bad, and as a result of that you got that reaction.  Canyou blame Krishna for that?  Kishna, why did I become first in theclass?  Similarly, why should you say:  Krishna, why did you make mefall and make myself hurt?  Krishna did not, you did it.  Therefore,just depend upon Krishna and pray to Him that you can get out of thismaterial bondage and become fully engaged in Krishna’s lovingdevotional service.

Question: when we go out for preaching, sometimes we meet with goodpeople and sometimes we meet with bad people also.  In that situationhow can I avoid that those who criticize our movement.  Should I avoidor convince?  Candragopi Dasa.  Where is Candragopi? O, okay.

His Holiness Bhakti Caru Swami: Yes, we are ready to preachto anybody and when we are approaching somebody you do not know,whether he will favourable or unfavourable.  Now, if someone isunfavourable and if you feel that you won’t be able to convince them,then don’t waste your time. Because, remember that ninth offence?  Whythat ninth offence? Because, if a person is detrimental towards Krishnaconsciousness. If you preach to somebody who is envious of Krishna, themore you speak to him about Krishna, the more envious he will become. Why give him a chance to become more envious?  So better to avoid him. And properly utilize your time and energy to cultivate those who arefavourable towards Krishna Consciousness.

(Q) One of my known and dear ones likes to compose music forKrishna, likes to preach, likes to chant, but he does not have thepassion for it or his behaviour goes very high and goes totally down. How to help it?

His Holiness Bhakti Caru Swami : You know someone who isvery dear to you, he likes to compose music for Krishna, he likes topreach, he likes to chant, but he does not have the passion for it orhow to help him ?  Encourage him.  And when he goes down… [He knows thephilosophy, he knows the substance, he knows the philosophy…] Anyway,on your part, what you can do is, when he is spiritually up, then youencourage him and when he is spiritually down, you support him. [moreunclear] He is listening also? I see.  Okay, then maybe I should speakto him some time?  You are from Surat, hé? Okay. Okay. So Mukesh, itseems that I have to have a private meeting with you.  You are heretoday ? You are here tomorrow ? [laugther] You came with the Suratgroup, right ? So, I am meeting with the devotees from Surat at teno’clock. Let me see when I can.  My first request will be  :  do notlet anything affect your Krishna Consciousness.  The first thing I willsay is: do not let anything else effect your Krishna Consciousness.  Doyou recognise that Krishna Consciousness is the most important thingfor you.   If you recognise that then try to preserve it, protect it. Whenever something is affecting your Krishna Consciousness anddampening your spirit, just confide in her and take her help…  AndPrakash also, but Prakash is not… Anyway, we will discuss when we meet,huh?  So, you can discuss with Prakash also, why only Prakash, why notRadhacandra prabhu, yeah, yeah, actually with everyone. Like this, ithappens to all of us.  We have to help each other on our spiritualpath. Like you are climbing a mountain and if one of the climbers hassome problems, he slips.  What do the other climbers do, don’t theycome to his help and carry him along with them ?  That’s how we allhave to keep moving towards our destination.  Okay, I’ll stop now. Thank you very much.  All glories to Srila Prabhupada!  GauraPremanande!