Student: Scientists say that their common ground of objectivity is what they can perceive with their senses.
Srila Prabhupada: Yes, they can perceive things with their senses, but very imperfectly. They perceive the sand with their senses, but can they see who has made the sand? Here is the sand, and here is the sea; they can be seen by direct perception. But how can one directly perceive the origin of the sand and the sea?
Student: The scientists say that if the sand and the sea were made by God, we would be able to see Him, just as we can see the sand and the sea themselves.
Srila Prabhupada: Yes, they can see God, but they must get the eyes to see Him. The shastras say that one must go to a guru to be treated so that one can understand God. How can they see God with blind eyes?
Student: But seeing God is supramundane. Scientists only consider mundane vision.
Srila Prabhupada: Everything is supramundane. For instance, you may think there is nothing in the clear sky—that it is vacant—but your eyes are deficient. In the sky there are innumerable planets you cannot see because your eyes are limited. Therefore, because it is not in your power to perceive, you have to accept my word: "Yes, there are millions of stars out there." Is space vacant because you cannot see the stars? No. Only the deficiency of your senses leads you to think so.
Student: The scientists will admit their ignorance of some things, but they say they cannot accept what they cannot see.
Srila Prabhupada: If they're ignorant, they have to accept knowledge from someone who knows the truth.
Srila Prabhupada: Everything has been made by someone: the sand has been made by someone, the water has been made by someone, and the sky has been made by someone. Krishna consciousness means learning who that someone is.
Dr. Singh: The scientists will say, "Present that someone to me so I can see Him."
Srila Prabhupada: And I answer them, "I am presenting that someone to you, but you have to take the training as well." You have to qualify your eyes to see that someone. If you are blind, but you do not want to go to the physician, how will you be cured of your blindness and see? If one is suffering from cataracts and does not go to the physician to get his diease cured how will he see? You have to be treated; that is the injunction.
Student: That step requires faith.
Srila Prabhupada: Yes, but not blind faith—practical faith. If you want to learn anything, you must go to an expert. Correct? That is not blind faith; it is practical faith. You cannot learn anything by yourself.
Student: If somebody is actually sincere, will he always meet a bona fide guru?
Srila Prabhupada: Yes. Guru-krishna-prasade paya bhakti-lata-bija [Chaitanya-charitamrita Madhya 19.151]. Krishna is within you, and as soon as He sees that you are sincere, He will send you to the right person.
Student: And if you are not completely sincere, you will get a cheater for a teacher?
Srila Prabhupada: Yes. If you want to be cheated, Krishna will send you to a cheater. Krishna is superintelligent. If you are a cheater, He will cheat you perfectly. But if you are actually sincere, then He will give you the right guidance. In Bhagavad-gita (15.15) Krishna says, sarvasya chaham hridi sannivishto mattah smritir jnanam apohanam cha: "I am seated in everyone's heart, and from Me come remembrance, knowledge and forgetfulness." Krishna speaks of both remembrance and forgetfulness. If you are a cheater, Krishna will give you the intelligence to forget Him forever.
Student: Srila Prabhupada, one librarian wanted me to prove that Bhagavad-gita was five thousand years old. He wanted to see a copy that was written down five thousand years ago.
Srila Prabhupada: Suppose I go into a dark room and say to the person inside, "The sun has risen. Come out!" The person in darkness may say, "Where is the proof that there is light? First prove it to me; then I will come out." I may plead with him, "Please, please, just come out and see." But if he does not come out to see, he remains ignorant always waiting for the proof.
Morning walk conversations (Life comes from Life - CH 15)