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    "Protector Of Cows And Brahmanas"  BY SRILA PRABHUPADA.

     

    Devotee:


    sri-krsna krsna-sakha vrsny-rsabhavani-dhrug-
    rajanya-vamsa-dahananapavarga-virya
    govinda go-dvija-surarti-haravatara
    yogesvarakhila-guro bhagavan namas te


    "O Krsna, O friend of Arjuna, O chief amongst the descendants of Vrsni, You are the destroyer of those political parties which are disturbing elements on this earth. Your prowess never deteriorates. You are the proprietor of the transcendental abode, and You descend to relieve the distresses of the cows, the brahmanas, and the devotees. You possess all mystic powers, and You are the preceptor of the entire universe. You are the Almighty God, and I offer You my respectful obeisances."

    Prabhupada: So Lord Krsna is addressed here as krsna-sakha. Although Arjuna is Kunti's son, subordinate, but she knows that Krsna is more intimately related with Arjuna than herself. She knows that. Another krsna-sakha means Krsna. Krsna is the name of Draupadi. So Krsna saved Draupadi from insult. She was attempted to be naked by Duryodhana and Karna, but Krsna saved her. So in that sense also Krsna, krsna-sakha. Vrsny-rsabha. Rsabha, the chief. The best man is called rsabha. So in the Vrsni dynasty, Krsna is the chief. Because Krsna appeared in the Vrsni dynasty, therefore the dynasty became famous. That is already discussed previously. Malaya-candana. Just like sandalwood. Because sandal is produced in the Malaya, Malaysia now, the name, therefore it is called malaya-candana. Or sometimes it is produced in the Malaya Hills. There is hill, another.

    So rsabhavani-dhrug rajanya. Avani-dhruk. Dhruk means rebellious. Actually a, a king should be representative of God. Representative of... The king's honor, in every country, kings, king is honored very gorgeously. Why? He's also human being, and the citizens are also human beings. Why the king is so honored? Just like spiritual master. A spiritual master is honored. Not only honored -- in the sastra it is said, navamanyeta karhicit. Acaryam mam vijaniyan navamanyeta karhicit [SB 11.17.27]. The spiritual master should not be, I mean to say, taken as ordinary human being. And the king also, practically we see, that we do not treat a king or a president like ordinary human being. What is the reason? What is the reason? The reason is that the king... King's another name is naradeva, "God in human form." Naradeva. So king is honored because a king is supposed to be representative of God. Therefore he's honored. His business is... Krsna, Krsna is maintainer, eko yo bahunam vidadhati kaman. Nityo nityanam cetanas cetananam. God means the supreme living being. Nityo nityanam. We are also living beings. We all living beings in different forms, 8,400,000 forms. We are all living beings. And Krsna is also a living being. Krsna is not impersonal. God is not impersonal. Just like we are persons, you are person, every one of us sitting here, we have got person, personality. We have got individuality. So the impersonalists, they cannot adjust that we are individual persons and how the Supreme, the original cause of everything, He also can be person. Because we have our experience that my knowledge or any individual persons knowledge, opulence, they're limited. But how the unlimited can be person? Because we are limited and God is unlimited, therefore these Mayavadis, with poor fund of knowledge, that, because we being persons, we are limited, therefore God, being unlimited, He must be imperson. He must be. They compare the material things. Just like the sky. We think it unlimited. The sky is impersonal. So their philosophy is because God is unlimited, therefore he must be impersonal.

    But that is not the Vedic instruction. Vedic instruction is He is also a person. God is also a person. Just like we see Krsna. Krsna is person; we are also person. The difference is this person is worshiped, and we are worshiper. That is the difference. Otherwise, He's person, we are person. But the one person... Just like king. King is also person, and the citizens are also person. The president is also person, and the citizens are also person. But what is the difference? The difference is the president or the king or the spiritual master, they, such persons are, exalted persons, are worshiped. That is the difference. Now why one person should be worshiped by so many persons? Because the one person provides so many persons. Eko yo bahunam vidadhati kaman. God is also person. He's one; we are many. God is worshiped because He provides everyone. He gives food, maintenance..., all the necessities of life, God is supplying. Therefore, He should be worshiped. We require water; God has given the oceans of water, stocked. Utilize it. How nicely arranged: clear water, mixed with salt so that it will not decompose. Such arrangement. And when you require drinking water, the same water is distilled. By God's arrangement, the sunshine evaporates the water, took it on the high sky, and then distributes clear, distilled water.

    So how God is providing everyone with everything. We require light, we require heat. Just like in ordinary life also, in the state there is heating department, lighting department, plumbing department. Why? These are the amenities we require. So why don't you see that these arrangements are already there. Unless... These arrangements are subordinate. The first arrangement is God's arrangement. God supply you water by rain. You catch up and then you supply in the water-works. Without rain you cannot have any water. Therefore original supplier is God. Eko yo bahunam vidadhati kaman. He's person. He has got brain. He knows that all of them will require everything, such and such thing -- heat, light, water. Without water you cannot produce foodstuff. Even the animal eaters, without God's arrangement, how he can eat animal? The animal also must be provided with food, with grass; then you can take it to the slaughterhouse by your expert intelligence. God is supplying food. Still you are creating a rebellious condition. That's an avani-dhruk. These rascals who are going against the law of God, they're rebellious. So they're rebellious. The king's duty is to see as representative of Krsna, as representative of God. Otherwise he, what right he has got to take so much honor from the citizens? He has no right. And because the kings, formerly every country there were kings, monarchy, they violated, they rebelled against God, they became themselves God, that "I have got so much property, kingdom. I am God. I am the Lord of all I survey." So when they usurped the power of God, the all monarchies in the world is now finished. Because they did not act as representative of God. They thought their personal property, the kingdom. No. That is not actually fact. Fact is everything belongs to God. Isavasyam idam sarvam.

    So the representative must be very obedient. Then his position will go on. And... Just like so-called spiritual masters. They proclaim, "I am God." So they have no position. They have no position. Because they are rebellious. A spiritual master is supposed to spread God consciousness, Krsna consciousness, make everyone Krsna conscious, as the most confidential servant of God -- not as God. Just like Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura says: saksad-dharitvena samasta-sastrair uktah **. A spiritual master is honored as the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Honored. Saksad-dharitvena. Haritva means "as God." Saksad-dharitvena samasta-sastrair uktah: ** "It is stated in all sastras." It is not bogus that spiritual master is as good as God. Saksad-dharitvena samasta-sastrair uktas tatha bhavyata eva sadbhih **. Uktas tatha... Because it is stated in the sastras, tatha, therefore, those who are advanced, uktas tatha bhavyata eva sadbhih. Sadbhih means those who are actually advanced in spiritual life, they obey the spiritual injunction. Then is spiritual master as good as God? The next line is, kintu prabhor yah priya eva tasya. A spiritual master is not God. He is... The distinction is sevya-bhagavan, sevaka-bhagavan. Sevya means one who is worshiped, and sevaka means one who is worshiper. The spiritual master is God and Krsna is God, but Krsna is worshipable God and spiritual master is worshiper God. He's God, but he's worshiper God. That is explained. The Mayavadis, they cannot understand it, that "Because a spiritual master has to be accepted as God, therefore I have become a spiritual master -- I have become God." This is rebellious. This is rebellious. God gives you a position, and if you want to usurp His power unnecessarily, which you cannot, then you are fool, rascal, you are rebellious. He requires punishment. Punishment. Therefore it is said that avani-dhrug rajanya-vamsa-dahana. "Therefore You descend to kill all these rascals who claim Your position, rebellious." That is natural. Just like all subordinate kings. There is one emperor, and there are subordinate kings. Sometimes the subordinate kings claim, "Now we shall not give tax." In India it so happened. Everywhere it so happens. The subordinate kings, zamindars, landholders, sometimes they think, "Oh, why shall I give tax?" Then it is rebellious.

    So Krsna's one business is to kill these rebellious persons who deny the supremacy of God, who declare himself as God. Therefore it is said: avani-dhruk. In the, on the surface of the globe, those who are rebellious, rajanya-vamsa-dahana, so He kills. He burns them. Apavarga-virya, anapa, anapavarga-virya. Anapa. Apavarga means... It is said anapavarga?

    Devotee: "Without deterioration."(?)

    Prabhupada: No, the word is apavarga. Apavarga... Anapavarga. Yes, that's all right. Pavarga and apavarga. So anapavarga means again pavarga. Anapavarga. Pavarga and anapavarga. Pavarga means the path of tribulation, pavarga. Those who are Sanskrit scholars, they know the alphabets: ka, kha, ga, gha, na, ca, cha, ja, jha, na, ta, tha, da, dha, na, ta, tha, da, dha, na, pa, pha, ba, bha, ma. So this is the fifth line, pa, pha, ba, bha, ma. So pa means parisrama, labor. This world, you have to work very hard to maintain yourself. In the Bhagavad-gita, it is said, sarira-yatrapi ca te na prasiddhyed akarmanah. Krsna never advised Arjuna that "You sit down. I am your friend. I shall do everything. You sit down and smoke ganja." Krsna never said that. Krsna was doing everything; still he was to fight. He was inducing, "You must fight." Neither Arjuna said, "Krsna, You are so, my friend, great friend. Better You do it. I sit down. Let me smoke ganja." No. Arjuna also did not say. This is not Krsna consciousness, that "God, You please do everything for me and let me smoke ganja." This is not God consciousness. God consciousness means you must work, work for God. That is God consciousness. That is Krsna consciousness.

    So apav..., this word is meant for this purpose, that without working, you cannot live even. You cannot maintain your body. Therefore it is called parisrama, pa. Pa means parisrama, to labor hard. You cannot get your subs... Even if you are a lion, a king, a very powerful, still you have to find out your bread. In the jungle, not that... It is said,


    na hi suptasya simhasya
    pravisanti mukhe mrgah


    Suptasya simhasya. Supta means sleeping. Sleeping. A lion, if he thinks that "I am the king of the forest, so let me sleep, and in my mouth, all the animals will come." No, sir, it is not possible. You must find out your food, although you are lion. So everyone has to find out -- with great difficulty. The lion, although so powerful, he has to find out his food -- another animal to eat -- with great difficulty. Not so easily. So ap... Pavarga means labor, and pha means fame, the foam. When you work very hard, from your mouth a kind of foam comes out. Pha. Pa, pha, ba. And in spite of so much hard labor, it is ba. Ba means birth, futile, useless. Pa, pha, ba. And bha, bha means fear. Bhaya, bhaya, fear. Although you are working so hard, there is always some fearfulness: "Now things will be done like this, or not like this," fearful. That is the nature. Ahara-nidra-bhaya-maithuna, bhaya. This life, this material body means eating, sleeping and fearing. This is one of the symptom. Although I am eating very nicely, I am thinking whether I am overeating so that I may not feel sick. So bhaya is always there. A bird, you'll see eating, and looking this way, that way. Why? If some enemy is not coming. So, this is bha. Pa, pha, ba, bha, and ma. At last marana, mrtyu, death. This is called pavarga. Pavarga means pa, pha, ba, bha, ma. Pa means hard labor. Pha means so hard that foam comes out of mouth. And ba means he's still frustrated. And bha means fearfulness. And ma means mrtyu. This is the call, apavarga.

    So pavarga, and just the opposite is apavarga. Just the opposite. There is no labor, there is no foam, there is no frustration, there is no fear, and there is no death. That is spiritual world.

    Devotees: Jaya! Haribol!

    Prabhupada: That is spiritual world. Pavarga means accompanied by all these things, and apavarga means just the opposite. Just the opposite. Therefore Krsna's name is anapavarga-virya. He shows you the path how you become anapavarga. Napavarga, anapavarga. Krsna says here, tyaktva deham punar janma naiti [Bg. 4.9]. Why this pavarga, why these five kinds of tribulation? Because you have got this material body. As soon as you accept a material body -- it doesn't matter whether President Nixon's body or a common man's body -- you have to pass through these pavargas: pa, pha, ba, bha, ma. Either you are demigod or a human being or an animal or an insect or Brahma -- whatever you may be -- as soon as you have got this material body, you have to go through these tribulations. This is called material existence. And apavarga means just the opposite. That... For that purpose Krsna comes, to give you the path of anapavarga. Napavarga... Anapavarga is the path.

    So you have to accept. Krsna says, very frankly says, "Surrender unto Me, I give you anapavarga." Aham tvam sarva-papebhyo moksayisyami, "I shall give you protection." So He is the power for this purpose, and govindam... Govinda means He is the giver of pleasure to the cows and to the senses. Govinda. Govinda, go-dvija-sura-arti-hara-avatara. Avatara means incarnation. Govinda, govindam adi-purusam tam aham bhajami **, He's the adi-purusa. Aham adir hi devanam, He is the original person, even of the demigods, Brahma, Visnu. People may not misunderstand that Brahma, Visnu, Mahesvara, they are original. No. Krsna says, "They are not original, Brahma, Visnu, Mahesvara." Aham adir hi devanam, "I am the original person, above the..., of these demigods also." Therefore, we repeatedly say that we worship that adi-purusam, the original person, govindam adi-purusam tam aham bhajami **. Not secondary; the first, the first, original person.

    So Govinda..., so what is the business of Govinda? Now, go-dvija-surarti-haravatara. Surarti, go. This demonic world is the greatest enemy of cows. Just see how they are maintaining hundreds and thousands of slaughterhouse. Hundreds and thousands of slaughterhouse. Innocent animals, giving you milk, the most important foodstuff. Even after death, it is giving you its skin for your shoes, and you are so rascal that you are killing. And you want to be happy in this world. You see? How sinful they are! They have no consideration that this animal... Why cow protection is so much advocated? Because it is very, very important. Therefore... There is no such injunction that "You don't eat the flesh of the tiger." You can eat. Because those who are meat eaters, those who are meat eaters, they have been recommended to eat the flesh of goats or other lower animals -- sometimes dogs also, they eat, or the hogs -- you can eat. But never the flesh of cows. So, innocent animal, the most important animal, giving service even after death... While living, giving service, so important service, giving you milk, even after death she is giving service by supplying the skin, the hoof, the horn. You utilize in so many ways. But still, the present human society is so ungrateful and rascal that they are killing cows. So Krsna comes to punish them, these rascals. Therefore it is said that go-dvija-surarti-hara. Krsna comes to... Therefore we worship Krsna, namo brahmanya-devaya go-brahmana-hitaya ca. Brahmana.

    So to make a perfect human society, there must be protection of the go-dvija. Dvija means brahmana. Brahmana means one who knows Brahman, God. These two classes must be given first protection. Therefore Krsna is worshiped with this word,


    namo brahmanya-devaya
    go-brahmana-hitaya ca
    jagad-dhitaya krsnaya
    govindaya namo namah


    See, the same thing is there. Govindaya, go-dvija arti-hara, dvija. Dvija, when the brahmana class, when the cows, they are too much troubled by this rascal, demon, and Krsna comes, yada yada hi dharmasya glanir bhavati bharata, abhyutthanam adharmasya [Bg. 4.7]. These are all adharmas.

    So in this age, Kali-yuga, the people are so sinful, so suffering also, therefore Krsna has incarnated in the form of His name: Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare/ Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare.

    That's all. (end)
    Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.8.43 -- Los Angeles, May 5, 1973
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    Because we drink cow’s milk, we should accept the cow as our mother. That is etiquette.

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    "Cardinal Danielou__Don't Kill"  BY SRILA PRABHUPADA

    Cardinal Danielou: Yes. And Jesus, Jesus is this. So I am very, very glad to meet you...

    Prabhupada: May, may I ask you one question? Jesus says: "Thou shalt not kill." So why Christian people are killing?

    Cardinal Danielou: (French)

    Yogesvara: (French)

    Cardinal Danielou: It is forbidden in Christianity to kill. Surely. But chiefly we think that there is a difference between the life of man and the life the beasts. N'est ce pas? And that the life of man is sacred because man is the image of God. But we have not the same respect relating to the beasts, to the animals, and we think that the animals are at the service of man, and that it is legitime to man. For us, each life is not the same. What is really important is the life of man, and the human person is really sacred and it is forbidden to kill a human person...

    Prabhupada: No, but Jesus does not says "human being". He just said generally: "Thou shalt not kill."

    Yogesvara: (translates)

    Cardinal Danielou: (French) In the Bible we have many example of, by example, we have many sacrifice in the sacrifice of animals. You know. Many sacrifice of animals in the Bible. Alors. This is not forbidden. It is sure that it is a great sin to kill a man, alors. There is surely the great question of the war, the war, the national war. And is, it is...

    Prabhupada: You, you, you think that to kill an animal is no sin?

    Cardinal Danielou: No, no, no. No sin. No sin. No sin. Because we think that the simple biologic life is not sacred. That is, what is sacred is the human life, the human life. But not the life, ass.

    Prabhupada: But I think that it is interpretation. Jesus Christ says generally: "Thou shalt not kill."

    Cardinal Danielou: Yes. Jesus said, but this phrase is not, the text is not a text of Jesus. It is a text of the Old Testament, and it is a text...

    Prabhupada: No, it is New Testament also.

    Cardinal Danielou: Old Testament! Old Testament.

    Prabhupada: No, is it not in the New Testament?

    Cardinal Danielou: It is in the Levitic, in the Levitic, in the book of the Levitic.

    Prabhupada: Ahhh.

    Cardinal Danielou: It is not a word of Jesus. It is a word of the Levitic, and it is a part of the decalogue of the Ten Commandments what God gave to Moses.

    Prabhupada: That's all right. But Ten Commandments, one of the Commandments is that: "Thou shalt no kill."

    Yogesvara: (French)

    Cardinal Danielou: (French) Mais, it is surely, I think, it is surely the killing of the man. I think, I have a great difficulty to understand why in Indian religion... Because it is impossible... By example, it is necessary, pour la nourriture?

    Yogesvara: For food.

    Cardinal Danielou: Oui. For the food of man to eat, to eat, and...

    Prabhupada: Man can eat grains, food grains, fruits, milk, sugar, wheat...

    Cardinal Danielou: Not, not, (French)?

    Yogesvara: No flesh?

    Cardinal Danielou: No flesh?

    Prabhupada: No. Why? Just like the fruits. The fruits are meant for human being. The tiger does not come to eat your fruits. So tiger's food is another animal. Man's food is fruit, food grains, milk products. Just like fruit...

    Cardinal Danielou: Yes, yes. I understand. It is why because grain and plants are also living beings.

    Prabhupada: That's all right, that's all right.

    Cardinal Danielou: Living beings.

    Prabhupada: That, that we also understand. But if, if you cannot live... Just like, generally, if I can live on fruits and grains and milk, why should I kill another animal?

    Cardinal Danielou: Yes, yes...

    Prabhupada: Another thing is that how can you support that animal killing is not sin?

    Yogesvara: (translates)

    Cardinal Danielou: (French)

    Bhagavan: How do you justify it?

    Cardinal Danielou: Yes, because we, we thought that there is a difference of nature between life of man, life of spirit, and biological, biological life. And we say... [break] ...not really exists, and we think so. We think that animals, plant are not real beings, are world of appearance and that you human person only is real being. And that in this sense, the material world is without importance.

    Prabhupada: Now..., I follow. Suppose you are living in this house. So you are not this house, that's a fact.

    Cardinal Danielou: Yes. Yes.

    Prabhupada: But if I come and break your house, is it not inconvenience for you?

    Cardinal Danielou: Yes, surely. Surely it is inconvenient.

    Prabhupada: So if I cause inconvenience unto you, is it not criminal?

    Cardinal Danielou: It is inconvenient to me, but is...

    Prabhupada: No. If I cause some inconvenience to you, is it not criminal? Is it not sinful?

    Cardinal Danielou: I think if there is a serious reason, it is not the destruction of the spiritual man itself. By example, it is perfectly possible to use of the reality of the material world, of the natural world to the valuable finality of human vocation. We think that the question is a question of motivation. It could exist bad reason to kill an animal. But if the killing of animal is to give food to children, men, women, we ont faim. Qui...?

    Devotee: Hungry.

    Cardinal Danielou: Hungry, we are hungry, it is legitimate, legitimate... We have... It is difficult to admit that in India, comment dit-on les vaches?

    Yogesvara: The cows.

    Cardinal Danielou: Oui, the cows.

    Prabhupada: One thing is...

    Danielou: It is not permitted to kill a...?

    Yogesvara: Cow.

    Cardinal Danielou: ...a cow to give him to children who are hungry and the...

    Prabhupada: No, no, from any other consideration, cows' milk we drink. Therefore she's mother. Is it not?

    Yogesvara: (translates)

    Cardinal Danielou: Oui.

    Yogesvara: N'est ce pas?

    Cardinal Danielou: Oui, yes, surely, surely, but the...

    Prabhupada: According to Vedic conversion, we have got seven mothers. Atma-mata, the original mother, guroh patni, wife of the master, spiritual master...

    Cardinal Danielou: Yes.

    Bhagavan: Can you understand?

    Yogesvara: (translates)

    Prabhupada: Atma-mata guroh patni brahmani, the wife of the priest.

    Yogesvara: (translates)

    Cardinal Danielou:

    Prabhupada: Raja-patnika, the wife of king, the queen.

    Yogesvara: (translates)

    Prabhupada: Four. Atma-mata guroh patni brahmani raja-patnika, dhenur. Dhenu means cow. Dhenur dhatri. Dhatri means nurse. Tatha prthvi. Prthvi means earth. These are seven mothers. So cow is mother because we drink milk, cow's milk.

    Cardinal Danielou: Yes.

    Prabhupada: How can I deny that she's not mother? So how we can support killing of mother?

    Cardinal Danielou: Yes, yes, it is a motive. But we think that...

    Prabhupada: Therefore, in India, those who are meat-eaters, they are advised... That is also under restriction. Advised to kill some lower animals like goats, even up to buffaloes. But cow killing is the greatest sin.

    Cardinal Danielou: Yes, yes, we... I know this. I know this. And this is for us a difficulty, a difficulty...

    Prabhupada: Yes, because the cow is mother.

    Cardinal Danielou: Yes, yes, yes...

    Prabhupada: You, you take the milk from the mother...

    Cardinal Danielou: Yes, yes.

    Prabhupada: And when she's old, she cannot give you milk, therefore she should be killed?

    Cardinal Danielou: Yes.

    Prabhupada: Is that very good proposal?

    Yogesvara: (translates)

    Cardinal Danielou: Oui, oui, oui.

    Yogesvara: He says yes, it is.

    Prabhupada: Eh?

    Yogesvara: He says: "Yes, it is a good proposition."

    Cardinal Danielou: If, if the men are hungry, it is the life of men is more important than the life of cow.

    Prabhupada: Therefore, because we are propagating this Krsna consciousness, we ask people to, not to eat meat, any kind.

    Cardinal Danielou: Yes, yes, yes.

    Prabhupada: But if, under certain circumstances, you are obliged to eat meat, eat the flesh of some lower animals. Don't kill cows. It is the greatest sin. And so long one will be sinful, he'll not be able to understand what is God. But human being, main business is to understand God and to love Him. But if he remains sinful, neither he can understand God, and what to, what is the question of loving Him. Therefore at least from the human society, this cruel maintenance of slaughterhouses must be stopped.

    Cardinal Danielou: (French)

    Yogesvara: (translates)

    Cardinal Danielou: Oui, oui. I think that this is perhaps not an essential point. I think that in this realm the uses of various religions can be good. The importance is to love God.

    Prabhupada: Yes.

    Cardinal Danielou: But the commandment practical can be various.

    Prabhupada: No. Just like God, if God says that: "You can do this," that is not sin. But if God says that: "You cannot do it", then it is sin.

    Cardinal Danielou: When God says that it is not good to Indian, and says to the Jews that it is...

    Prabhupada: No, no. Now take... Therefore I say that Jesus Christ, either you call him God, or confidential representative of God, both of them are one, when he says: "Thou shalt not kill," why should we interpret in an another way, to our convenience?

    Cardinal Danielou: Yes, but Jesus eated (French, refers to passover lamb)

    Yogesvara: (French)

    Cardinal Danielou: Mutton, mutton.

    Yogesvara: Oh, the sheep.

    Cardinal Danielou: Oui, the sheeps...

    Prabhupada: That's all right, but Jesus Christ never maintained slaughterhouse.

    Yogesvara: (translates)

    Cardinal Danielou: Non, mais... He eated, he eated, he eated...

    Prabhupada: In certain circumstances, when there is no other food, that a life must be saved. That is another thing. But why regularly slaughterhouse should be maintained for the satisfaction of the tongue?

    Yogesvara: Is it clear? (translates)

    Cardinal Danielou: Oui. But I think there is, at first, a great duty to help men and women and children to live and actually it is the first duty. It is more important to help men and women to life. The life of beast is of minor importance than the life of men.

    Prabhupada: From that point of view, you can kill lower animals. Why should you kill mother?

    Cardinal Danielou: Oui, oui. Mother. Man, as human being is not the same that...

    Prabhupada: And it is not moral. Even if you kill animals for maintaining your..., allowing that, there are many other, hundreds and thousands of animals. So if you at all require, people eat also hogs, sometimes, in wartime, they ate dogs also. And there are persons, they regularly eat dogs in Korea. They eat dogs regularly. So even animal killing is necessary for...

    Cardinal Danielou: Yes, yes, yes, it is...

    Prabhupada: ...for eating, then at least the mother animal should not be killed. That is from moral point of view.

    Cardinal Danielou: Yes, from moral point of view...

    Prabhupada: So our point of view is that we don't allow killing any animal. Our Krsna says: patram puspam phalam toyam yo me bhaktya prayacchati [Bg. 9.26]. Krsna says vegetable, fruits, milk, grains, all these things should be offered to Me with devotion. And you should take the remnants of the foodstuff. So we take prasadam. And Krsna says: "Give Me foodstuff prepared from this group." That we do. Accepting that the fruits, they have got life. But fruits are by nature... There are many fruits. It is offered by the tree for eating. The tree's not killed. So we accept this philosophy also that a, one animal, one living entity is meant for being food for another living entity. Jivo jivasya jivanam. That we also accept, but that does not mean one living entity is the food for another living entity, that does not mean I can kill my mother, my child... That is not, sir. So at least this must be taken into consideration that cows, innocent, they give us milk, we take its milk, and we kill in regular slaughterhouse, this is not very good thing. It is sinful.

    Cardinal Danielou: Yes. I understand that.

    Prabhupada: Yes. Thank you very much.

    Cardinal Danielou: (indistinct)

    Yogesvara: Does the fact that Christianity, does the fact that Christianity sanctions eating of meat mean that from the Christian viewpoint, lower species of life do not have a soul like human beings.

    Cardinal Danielou: Dites en francais.

    Yogesvara: (translates)

    Cardinal Danielou: (French)

    Yogesvara: (French)

    Cardinal Danielou: Oui.

    Yogesvara: He says: "No, that yes, this is the philosophy, that, that below the human level, the soul does not inhabit the body of other species."

    Cardinal Danielou: The soul, the soul, the soul is, is human soul. In the animal you have some psychologic existence, but not life of spirit with freedom, with mind and with the reality of spirit. But you have the same idea because you said that there is a difference of nature between spiritual creation and the material world. You know, the material world is not of the same essence than the spiritual world. And the man, the man is a part of spiritual world.

    Prabhupada: No. Our Bhagavad-gita says: sarva-yonisu. "In all species of life, as many forms are there, so the spirit soul is there." This outward body is just like a dress. You may have a very costly dress, and I may have a very shabby, poor dress, but both of us are human being, or living entities. Similarly these different forms of living entities, they are just like different types of dress. Vasamsi jirnani yatha vihaya [Bg. 2.22]. Just like you are in black dress. I am in saffron dress...

    Cardinal Danielou: Yellow, yes.

    Prabhupada: So this is external. But within the dress you are a human being, I am also human being. Similarly, there are eight million four hundred thousands of dresses. There are nine hundred thousand dresses within the water, aquatics.

    Yogesvara: (translates)

    Prabhupada: Similarly, two million kinds of dresses of the trees, plants, like that. In this way the Vedic literatures have calculated, there are eight million, four hundred thousand forms of living entity. But they're all living entities, part and parcel of God. Just like one man has got ten sons. Not all of them equally meritorious. Not all. One may be high-court judge. And one may be ordinary clerk in the office. But father, both the high-court judge and the clerk in the office, father claims both of them as son.

    Cardinal Danielou: Yes, yes, I agree.

    Prabhupada: For father, there is no such distinction that: "This high-court judge is very important and the clerk in the office, my son, he's not important." So if the enlightened son, high-court judge, says to the father: "My dear father, your, this son, is useless. Let me cut him and eat." Will the father allow?

    Yogesvara: (asks in French if this is clear)

    Cardinal Danielou: Non.

    Yogesvara: (translates)

    Prabhupada: Apart from this consideration, at least this morality should be observed that cows, they're our mother. We should not kill at least mothers for eating the flesh.

    Cardinal Danielou: The difficulty for us is not the idea that it is good for us to respect the life of a cow. The difficulty is the metaphysic reason. You know.

    Prabhupada: No, metaphysics, not...

    Cardinal Danielou: It is, it is, it is the idea that all life is parcel of the life of God. You know of this is to us, difficult to admit. We can, there is a very great difference between the life of man who is really called to partake the life of God, and the animal life, who is (French)

    Yogesvara: Temporary.

    Cardinal Danielou: No. Without, without, impermanent. Life of man is permanent.

    Prabhupada: That, that, that difference is due to development of consciousness. The human body, human body, you get developed consciousness. Just like this tree. It is also a living entity, but it's consciousness is not yet fructified. If you cut the tree, it does not resist. But it resists in a very small degree. That is proved by the scientists. The Sir Jagadisha Candra Bose, in Calcutta, he's also a very great scientist. He has made machine: when you cut the tree, it feels and it is recorded in the machine.

    Yogesvara: (translates)

    Prabhupada: And for the animals we can see, when one kills the animals, it resists, it cries, it makes great sound, horrible. So it is the question of development of consciousness. But the, a soul is there.

    Cardinal Danielou: But, why, why, why God make some animals who eat other animals? There is a fault in the creation because... It is a fault in the creation?

    Prabhupada: No. The God is very kind. If you want to eat animals, then He'll give facility, good facility. Just like tiger. You become tiger, and eat animals. Those who are animal eaters, unrestrictedly, God will give him the body of a tiger next life so that he can very freely eat. "Why you maintain slaughterhouse? I give you nails and jaws. Just eat." So they are waiting that life.

    Yogesvara: Is it clear?

    Cardinal Danielou: (French)

    Yogesvara: (translates)

    Cardinal Danielou: Well, (French). I am very joyful to, to speak, to speak with you. And I offer, if I can, tomorrow go to the, to visit the Temple. Yes, yes. I hope I can tomorrow.


    Yogesvara: (French) (end)

    Room Conversation with Cardinal Danielou -- August 9, 1973, Paris

     

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    "Slaughterhouse Civilization"  BY SRILA PRABHUPADA

    Pusta-krsna: Also, the other day, Srila Prabhupada, you were telling us in Geneva that in India it was, at least until the present day forbidden to eat cows, and that those who would eat animals, they would eat dogs or goats, like this.

    Prabhupada: Yes. We recommend the meat-eaters who eat dogs, as Korea, they're eating dogs, so you can eat also dog. But don't... You eat it. After death. We don't say don't eat. You are so much fond of eating. All right. You eat. Because after the death, we have to give somebody, some living entity. So generally, it is given to the vultures. So why to the vultures? Take the civilized men, who are as good as vultures. (laughter) The so-called civilized men. Yes. What is the difference between the vultures and these rascals? The vultures also enjoy a dead body. And they also kill, make it dead and enjoy. They're vultures.

    Yogesvara: Sakuni.

    Prabhupada: Yes. Sakuni, yes. They're vultures, and their civilization is vulture-eater. The animal-eaters, they're like jackals, vultures, dogs. They're similar to these animals, the animal-eaters. It is not human food. Here is human food. Here is civilized food, human food. Let them learn it. Uncivilized, rudes, vultures, raksasas, and they're leaders. Therefore, I say all fourth-class men, they are leaders. Therefore the whole world is in chaotic condition. We require first-class men to lead. We are first-class men. Take our advice, and then everything will be all right. We are creating first-class men. What is the use of fourth-class men leading? All fourth-class men. If I say so frankly, people will be very angry. All fourth-class men. Basically, they're all fourth-class men. Now, these first, second, third-class men are described. So at the present moment, no one belongs to this qualification. Even they are not to the third-class men. Krsi-go-raksya-vanijyam [Bg. 18.44]. Who is, who is protecting the cows? That is the third-class man's business. So therefore everyone is fourth-class. So the fourth-class men, they are electing their representative to govern. They are also on the big fourth-class men. That is stated in the Bhagavata, sva-vid-varahostra-kharaih samstutah purusah pasuh [SB 2.3.19]. Where is that verse? Find out. All fourth-class men. Not fourth-class, less than fourth-class. Fourth-class has got also some regulative duty. But at the present moment, no regulative duty. Anyone can do whatever he likes, whatever he thinks. All fifth-class, sixth-class men. No regulative principle. The human life is meant for regulative principles. Just like we are insisting our students only for regulative principles just to make them real human life. No regulative principle means animal life. Animal life. Tapasa brahmacaryena yamena niyamena... [SB 6.1.13] The yoga system is there. It is to learn the regulative principles, yamena niyamena va. The yoga system is very strict regulative principle. I do not know what they are doing. Generally, they misuse also that, but yoga means indriya-samyama, controlling the senses. That is real yoga system. Because as the animals, they cannot control their senses, similarly... So the human being, having higher intelligence, they should learn how to control the senses. This is human life. Human life means controlling. I give this example. Just like in the... In your country, there is no such shop. In our country, the confectioner's shop is on the roadside, very nice. You have seen in India. They have prepared very nice, nice preparation and exhibited. People come and purchase. So animals, cows, as soon as they take some opportunity, they push their head and take something. Get away. Now, the animal, the cow is passing, and a human being is also passing. But the human being, although he's hungry, he likes to take some of the preparation, but he'll not do like that animal. He knows that "I have no money. So I shall have to restrain my tongue." That is human being. The animal pushes the head. So anyone who cannot carry the regulative principles is animal. The law is for human being. "Keep to the left, keep to the right" for... This is not for the dogs. Dogs can keep to the right, keep to the left, anywhere. But he's not criminal. Because he's animal. But if a man, instead of keeping to the right, he goes to the left, immediately, he's criminal. Therefore human society means to abide first-class law. That is human being. The laws must be made for advancement of spiritual life. That is human society. Because animal life, it doesn't require any law. How to eat, it doesn't require any law. Everyone knows. Man knows, animal knows. How to have sex life, it is not to be educated. Everyone knows. But they are philosophizing on sex life. Freud. What is this Freud?

    Yogesvara: Sigmund Freud.

    Prabhupada: The rascal, what is there, philosophy? This philosophy everyone knows. And he's philosophizing.

    Yogesvara: There was an article in this week's newspaper. Sigmund Freud's grand-daughter is now posing for naked pictures in magazines. She is saying, "My grandfather's philosophy was not so good." So now she is posing.

    Prabhupada: He's ad... She's advanced. (laughter) She's more advanced. That's nice. (laughs) This is going on. Animals, simply animals in a different posture. That's all. Fourth-class, fifth-class men. And they are governing, they are leaders. Then what is that? Sva-vid-varahostra-kharaih.

    Nitai:

    sva-vid-varahostra-kharaih

    samstutah purusah pasuh

    na yat-karna-pathopeto

    jatu nama gadagrajah

     [SB 2.3.19]

    "Men who are like dogs, hogs, camels and asses praise those men who never listen to the transcendental pastimes of Lord Sri Krsna, the deliverer from evils."

    Prabhupada: Yes. These electors are animals, and they elect animals. Just like Nixon. A big animal, and he was elected by other animals. And now there is struggle. (makes barking sound:) "Gow! Gow! Gow! Gow! Gow!" (laughter.) That's all. Is it not?

    Pusta-krsna: It's true.

    Prabhupada: Yes. He's a big dog, and the small dogs, they elected him. And now there is some trouble, and "Gow! Gow! Gow! Gow! Gow! Gow!" Samstutah purusah pasuh. He was praised by some animals. He's an animal, big animal, and he was praised by... That is stated here, sva-vid-varahostra-kharaih samstutah purusah pasuh. The so-called leaders, they are animals, and they are praised by other animals. That's all. Small animals. This is the civilization. How he is animal? Now na yat-karna..., karna-pathet, upeta...?

    Nitai: Upetah.

    Prabhupada: Ah. One who has not heard the message of Krsna, he's animal.

    Nitai: Jatu nama gadagrajah.

    Prabhupada: Jatu. What is...? Even for some time, they did not hear. Purport?

    Nitai: "The general mass of people, unless they are trained systematically for a higher standard of life in spiritual values, are no better than animals, and in this verse they have been particularly put on the level of dogs, hogs, camels and asses. Modern university education practically prepares one to acquire a doggish mentality to accept the service of a greater master. Like the dogs, after finishing so-called education, the so-called educated persons move from door to door with applications for some service,..."

    Prabhupada: At least, we have got this experience in India. There are so many unemployed, educated. Because they have been educated as dog, they must find out a master. Otherwise, they have no independent power to work. Dog, unless he finds out a very nice master, it is street dog, loitering in the street.

    Bhagavan: There's a report that there's so many Ph.D's who are graduating from school now that there are not enough jobs for them. So they have to take jobs as truck-driver and taxi driver.

    Prabhupada: Where?

    Bhagavan: In the United States.

    Prabhupada: Just see.

    Pusta-krsna: And that is supposed to be the brahmana class too, the professors. They're the educated class of people.

    Prabhupada: No, no. They are not brahmanas. Those who give education in exchange of money, they are not brahmanas. Just like we are lecturing, educated, educating people. We don't say that "Give us salary." We simply ask them, "Please come." Therefore we are making food. I'll give you food. I'll give you good seat. Please come and hear. We are not asking money, that "First of all pay the fees. Then you come and learn Bhagavad-gita." We never say so. So those, these so-called teachers, they first of all set up salary, "What salary you'll give me?" That is dog's business. That is not brahmana's business. Brahmana will never ask. Brahmana is eager to give lesson only. That's all. Brahmana is eager to see that people are educated. "Take free education and be educated. Be a human being." This is brahmana's business. I came here not to ask for any money. But I want to give lesson. This is brahmana's business.

    Bhagavan: Today the priests are afraid to speak too strongly or else they will be fired and get no salary.

    Prabhupada: Eh?

    Bhagavan: Today the priests, they are afraid to speak.

    Prabhupada: Yes.

    Bhagavan: Or like the politicians, they are afraid to speak because they are afraid that they will be voted out or get no more money to support their...

    Prabhupada: Yes. They're after money. So they are less than sudras. That is the cause that Christianity has fallen down, that they cannot speak straightly, or otherwise... It is straight commandment, "Thou shalt not kill." And because people are killing, they're... Now they are give man-to-man marriage, what to speak of other things. The priests, they are sermonizing this man-to-man marriage. Just see how degraded they have become. Whether any conception... At least, outside America, nobody knows that a man can be married with another man. What is this? And they're supporting it. You know that?

    Bhagavan: Yes.

    Prabhupada: So what is their standard?

    Yogesvara: Did he say anything before he left?

    Jyotirmayi: Yeah, he said that he was in the, he was promulgating a law. So I asked him if he was going to help promulgate a law against cow-killing. So he said...

    Prabhupada: Now, this is our proposal, that why you should kill cow? Cow may be protected to take milk, and use this milk for so many nice preparations. Then, so far meat-eating is concerned, so every cow will die. It is a fact. So you wait a few days only. There will be so many dead cows. So you take all the dead cows and eat. So where is the bad proposal? If you say that "You are restraining us from meat-eating," no, we don't restrain you. We simply request you that "Don't kill. When the cow is dead, you eat it."

    Pusta-krsna: Prabhupada, in the western countries now, the young people, when their parents grow old, they generally send them away to old age homes. So if they have no compassion even towards their own parents, that they would send them away, then how can we educate them to protect the cow which is just like mother if they're even willing to practically kill their parents?

    Prabhupada: So there is no question of protecting. We shall protect. Simply we ask them that "Don't purchase meat from the slaughterhouse. We shall supply you the cow after his death." Where is the wrong?

    Satsvarupa: Not enough meat.

    Prabhupada: Eh?

    Satsvarupa: Not enough meat fast enough, they're eating so much beef.

    Prabhupada: No, fast, fast. Fast means you have to eat the cow's flesh. So how you can make it fast? The cows' number are the same. So it will remain the same. Simply you wait for the natural death. Where is the restriction? You have got a limited number of cows. Either you wait for the death, or you kill it at once, the number of cows are the same. So we simply request you that you don't kill them. Wait for the natural death and take it. What is the wrong? The number of cows is the same. You cannot increase it. Increase or decrease, the number of cows is there. So we simply request you that so long they're alive, let us take it's milk, and give nice foodstuff to the human society.

    Yogesvara: If they don't kill it, they'll be even more cows.

    Prabhupada: Eh?

    Yogesvara: If they don't kill the cow, then they will have even more meat, because then the cow will have more time to reproduce, more calves. If they don't kill the cow right away.

    Prabhupada: Yes.

    Yogesvara: There'll be even more cows.

    Prabhupada: More cows. Yes. They'll have more cows. Simply we request that "Don't..." You propagate this. "Don't kill, don't maintain the slaughterhouse." It's very sinful. It has got very awkward reaction on the society. Stop this slaughterhouse. We don't say that you stop eating meat. You eat meat, but don't take it from slaughterhouse. Or don't by killing. Simply wait, and you'll get the... How long the cow will live? Their maximum age is twenty years. So not that you have to wait for twenty years. There are many cows, eighteen years, sixteen years or ten years. So wait for that much time. Then you regularly get dead cows and eat. What is the wrong? You make this propaganda. You may, for few years, may not get. By that time, you can eat some dogs and cats. (laughter) Yes. The Koreans, they are using dogs. Where is the difference between you and the Korean? You can eat also dogs for the time being. Or hogs. You eat hogs. We don't prohibit killing of these small animals. We don't sanction, neither prohibit. But especially we request cow protection because it is ordered by Krsna. Because we are Krsna conscious people, therefore we have to carry out the order of Krsna, go-raksya. That is our duty. And economically also, it is very useful. Krsna has recommended for nothing, it is not like that. It has some meaning, that if you have got cows. You see. They're... Our cows in New Vrindaban, they're giving more milk than other cows. Because they are confident that they'll not be killed here. They have got sense. Not like that rascal, "They have no soul. They have no sense." They have got sense. In other places, they do not give so much milk. But in New Vrindaban, they're so jolly, as soon as Kirtanananda Maharaja calls, they'll come. Yes, just like friends. And they are confident that "We'll not be killed." So they are jubilant, and they're giving much milk. Yes. So in Europe, the cows are also good, but the cow-killing system also very good. So you stop this. We simply request that, that you'll get the cow's flesh. As soon as it is dead, we shall supply you free of charges. You haven't got to pay four thousand pounds or four, this, or so much money. You get free and eat. And why you are killing? Stop this slaughterhouse. What is the wrong in this proposal? I think he could not give any counter-reasoning.

    Bhagavan: He gave a proverb.

    Prabhupada: Rather, he supported.

    Bhagavan: Yes.

    Prabhupada: So use this. This is one of the business. Krsi-go-raksya-vanijyam vaisya-karma svabhava-jam [Bg. 18.44]. We don't stop trade. We don't stop food, producing food grains. But we want to stop these killing houses. It is very, very sinful. Therefore in Europe, so many wars. Every ten years, fifteen years, there is a big war and wholesale slaughter of the whole human kind. And these rascals, they do not see it. The reaction must be there. You are killing innocent cows and animals. Nature will take revenge. Wait for that. As soon as the time is ripe, the nature will gather all these rascals, and club, slaughter them. Finished. They will fight amongst themselves, Protestant and Catholic, Russian and France, and France and Germany. This is going on. Why? This is the nature's law. Tit for tat. You have killed. Now you become killed. Amongst yourselves. They are being sent to the slaughterhouse. And here, you'll create slaughterhouse, "Dum! dum!" and killed, be killed. You know. You showed me?

    Bhagavan: Yeah, French guillotine.

    Prabhupada: You see. As soon as there is bell, the Roman Catholics began to kill the Protestants. So this is nature's law. You don't require to be sent to the slaughterhouse. You'll make your slaughterhouse at home. You'll kill your own child. Abortion. This is nature's law. What are these children being killed? They are these meat-eaters. They enjoyed. Now they are being killed by the mother. They do not know how nature is working. You must be killed. If you kill, you must be killed. That I've discussed in this now Caitanya-caritamrta. Where is Nitai?

    Bhagavan: They kill the cow, which is a mother, and then sometimes they get, when their mother kills them.

    Prabhupada: Yes. The mother becomes child and child becomes mother. That's all. Have you got transcription of the vyadha story?

    Nitai: The...?

    Prabhupada: Vyadha. The hunter, hunter story, recited by Caitanya Mahaprabhu?

    Nitai: Which...?

    Prabhupada: This twenty-fourth chapter, Madhya-lila.

    Nitai: No, I don't think it's typed yet.

    Prabhupada: What you have typed? Bring. That is Narada's instruction, how by killing, one becomes killed. That is there.

    Yogesvara: Oh, Mrgari, the hunter.

    Prabhupada: Eh?

    Yogesvara: Mrgari.

    Prabhupada: Yes. If you... Mam... This meaning, the flesh, is Sanskrit word is mamsa. Mam. Mam means "me." And sa means "he." "I am killing this animal. I am eating. And he'll kill me and eat." This word is reminding that "You are killing this animal, and eating. So this animal will kill you and eat you." This is the meaning of mam sa. Mam sa khadati iti mamsa. "He'll be given the opportunity to kill you." And when the animal is sacrificed before the goddess Kali, this mantra is cited to the ear of the animal that "You are giving your life before goddess Kali. So next life you are getting the chance of human being." So he's promoted. Because he is being killed before the deity, goddess Kali, so he is elevated, and he's given the chance that "This man will become animal, and you'll kill him." So after understanding this mantra, who will be ready to kill another animal? This is the mantra. While sacrificing an animal, this is the mantra. The priest will say in the ear that "You, Mr. Goat, you are being killed before this goddess of Kali. So your benediction is that you have to undergo so many lives before coming to the human form of life, but because you are sacrificing, as a reward for this, you get immediately human life." So he's not loser. "And this man who is killing you, he'll become a goat like you, and you have the right to kill him." This is mantra.

    Yogesvara: Mam sa.

    Prabhupada: Mam sa. Mam sa khadati iti mamsa.

    Nitai: That story begins on verse 220, and I only have up to 121 here. This is the most recent tape. She's probably typing it... She'll type it today or tomorrow.

    Prabhupada: There these things are discussed.

    Yogesvara: The story of Mrgari and...?

    Prabhupada: In connection with that, I have discussed the animal killing. So all these meat-eaters, they are responsible for killing the innocent cows.

    Bhagavan: Many people today are discussing this topic of reincarnation, but they don't understand the significance of the effects...

    Prabhupada: How they'll understand, all dull-headed fools, rascals? Dressed like gentlemen, that's all. Tavat ca sobhate murkho yavat kincin na bhasate. A rascal fool is decorated so long, as long he does not speak. As long he'll speak, his nature will be revealed, what is he. This gentleman therefore did not stay long to expose himself. (laughter)

    Bhagavan: That's intelligent.

    Jyotirmayi: When this man left, he told me that there is a very, very, big actress. She's known all over the world. She's called Brigitte Bardot. And she's making propaganda now everywhere against slaughterhouses. So he said she's living around here, and we should meet her, and ask her to come and see you. So if she's here, we can try.

    Prabhupada: This mayor, mayor...? This mayor?

    Yogesvara: This man was explaining there's a very famous, beautiful actress. Her name is Brigitte Bardot, and she has become very popular now because she is trying to protect the animals. So she lives around here somewhere. He suggested that we contact her.

    Bhagavan: What about him?

    Yogesvara: He just wants to...

    Prabhupada: What did he say about himself?

    Jyotirmayi: It's when I asked him. I asked him: "So what are you going to do? Can you make a law against cow-killing?" So he said, "Oh... But there is this actress." Just give it, gave it to someone else to do.

    Prabhupada: No, we have to make this propaganda because we are servant of Krsna. And Krsna orders, krsi-go-raksya-vanijyam [Bg. 18.44]. So we must take to agricultural work to produce food and give protection to the cows. And if there is excess product, we trade. This simple thing we must do. Therefore I'm anxious to take outside Paris this center. Our people should live there peacefully, produce food grains, give protection to the cows, and work hard. And if there is excess product, you can make money also. With ghee, you can start so many restaurants. That I have already... I have discussed on this point. We can make good money. We'll not be loser. Krsna conscious men, they'll be never loser by following the instruction of Krsna. They'll live comfortably without any material want, and tyaktva deham punar janma naiti [Bg. 4.9], and after leaving this body, go to, directly to God. This is also...

    Yogesvara: We can produce food and ghee on the farm, and then bring it and make prasadam and sell it in the restaurant.

    Prabhupada: Yes. No, we can open our own restaurant. Our own restaurant, that I have already suggested. You have not discussed?

    Satsvarupa: Yes. We're preparing a letter to send to the whole society.

    Prabhupada: Yes. We, suppose we make ghee there. We can make sandesa there. We can make rasagulla. We can make so many things, especially ghee. So open restaurant in any part of the city, and make nice kachoris, puri, halava and so many other things, juri,(?) and people will purchase it. They'll come and sit down. I've given all the... That every foodstuff is ready. You sit down. Whatever you like, you take. And this is our charge for one plate. Don't waste. Just like it is distributed. You take one, two, three, four, as much as you like. But don't waste. Don't waste. So so far for your eating sumptuously, the charge is set. Suppose this man eats only one cake and you eat four cakes. That does not mean we shall charge more.

    Yogesvara: Same.

    Prabhupada: Same charge. Same charge. You sit down, eat to your heart's content, be satisfied, and let him also eat. Don't waste. We supply. This is our program. Not that each time... Just like in hotel, each time a plate is brought, immediately a bill. Is it not? No. You sit down, eat to your satisfaction. Charge is the same.

    Pusta-krsna: I think they will leave the restaurant with their pockets full of samosas. (laughter)

    Prabhupada: That we shall not allow. That we shall not allow.

    Bhagavan: You were telling us one time that in India, if a person has a mango orchard, you can come in if you're hungry and eat, but you cannot take any with you.

    Prabhupada: Yes. Still, if you have got a garden, somebody says, "I want to eat some fruits." "Yes, come on. Take as much fruit as you like." But you cannot take it away. Any number of men can come and eat. They even do not prohibit the monkeys. "All right, let him come in. It is God's property." That is the system. That is mentioned in Bhagavata. If the animals like monkeys, they come to your garden to eat, don't prohibit. Let him. He's also Krsna's part and parcel. Where he will eat if you prohibit? It is very practical. I have got another. This is told by my father. My father's elder brother was keeping a cloth shop. My father also was keeping a cloth shop. So it is in the village. So my uncle, what he would do, that before closing the shop, he'll bring one, what is called...?

    Bhagavan: A bowl?

    Prabhupada: Bowl, big bowl. Or it is... What do you call, where you keep water?

    Bhagavan: Pot.

    Prabhupada: Basin, basin. So one basin full rice he will keep in the middle of the shop. And there are rats. So the rats will take the rice, and not cut even a single cloth. It is practical. Yes. They are also animals. Give them food. They'll not create any disturbance. Give them food. Yes. Because cloth are very costly. And there are rats. If one cloth is cut by the rat, then it is great loss. So to save from this loss, he'll put in a basin... Rice was nothing. Rice... In our childhood, we have seen, two anas per seer. That is with profit. You see. So one basin full rice, it doesn't cost even one ana. So by giving one ana worth food, he saves so many, hundreds of rupees cloth. Otherwise, if they're hungry, they'll cut it. Everyone has got obligation. Even the tiger. Even the tiger... One saintly person was in the jungle. His disciples said the tigers will never come and disturb in the asrama because the asrama head, they'll keep some milk little far away from the asrama, and the tigers will come and drink and go away. He'll call, "You tiger, come and take your milk here!" Just like we call the dogs. They'll come and take the milk and go away. And they'll never attack any inmates of the asrama. He'll say, amara ajni hana isko bolo naya (?): "They are my men; don't harm them." Yes. Tigers can be trained up. Just like dog. They are a dog species. More ferocious, that's all. More ferocious dog. That's all. So you can train them. I have seen in the World Fair. One man has trained... I think most of you have seen. One tiger and one lion. And he was playing with that tiger, lion, just like one plays with dog. They can be trained up. They can understand also that "This man loves me. He gives me food. He's my friend." They also appreciate. Just like this picture, you have seen, Haridasa Thakura? The big snake is going. The snake also knows that "He's saintly person. He may not be disturbed. Let me go away." And from reason also, isvarah sarva-bhutanam hrd-dese... [Bg. 18.61]. Krsna is everyone's heart. He's dictating. So Krsna can dictate to the animals, to the serpent, to the man, everyone. Such nice foodstuff. And mostly they are made of milk. These people, they do not know. They kill the cows and throw the milk away to the hogs. And they are proud of their civilization. Like jackals and vultures. Actually, Krsna consciousness movement will transform these uncivilized men to real civilization. Their civilization is now compact in masonry work, collecting stones and bricks and piling them. This much, their civilization. Actually, apasyatam atma-tattvam grhesu grha-medhinam [SB 2.1.2]. The explanation I gave this morning. They do not know what is atma-tattvam. Bahir-artha-maninah. The external feature, material nature, they're interested. These scientists, these philosophers, the man, they're simply interested in the external features. Internally, what is important, they do not know.

    Pusta-krsna: You said, Prabhupada, about these restaurants, have people come, and invite them and give them everything. They can have wife, they can have family, they can have place to stay, nice food. Simply they have to be civilized.

    Prabhupada: That's all.

    Pusta-krsna: Everything is there.

    Prabhupada: We do not deny anything. We simply request, "Be civilized, Krsna conscious." And this is practical; everyone is seeing this. We have got grhasthas, vanaprasthas, brahmacari, sannyasi. We have no such objection.

    Yogesvara: I can remember now. When I was in college, there were so many groups trying to reform the young people, the Y.M.C.A, the church groups, so many different social-working groups, trying to make young people become more, not so restless, not so much wild, but no, nothing. Couldn't do a thing. I remember I used to go to school when I was in college once a week to take care of one young boy because he was making so much trouble. They asked if some student from the university would come to see with him and talk with him once a week, to go out and go to the park and so on. So I used to see him, and he would be in school, and when I would come, all of the children would be the same way. I couldn't distinguish him from the others. They were all wild. And then they said, "Oh, he's the one, there."

    Prabhupada: Is there any other meeting?

    Jyotirmayi: Yes. It will be later. It will be at six-fifteen, in forty-five minutes. The man coming, will be a psychiatrist.

    Satsvarupa: So we can take your leave until then.

    Pusta-krsna: Jaya. All glories to Srila Prabhupada Hari-haribol. (devotees pay obeisances.)

    Pusta-krsna: Should I distribute this to the devotees?

    Prabhupada: Yes.

    Bhagavan: Maybe we should save some for the next guest who comes.


    Prabhupada: Or you keep it for the guest, and devotees may take down. (end)

    Room Conversation -- June 11, 1974, Paris

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    "Let Cows Die Naturally"  BY SRILA PRABHUPADA

    Yogesvara: Monsieur Mesman is the chief of the law-house of Paris.

    Prabhupada: Law-house means legislative assembly? No.

    Yogesvara: It is part of the National Assembly?

    M. Mesman: Yes. It is in the National Assembly. It is National... Yes.

    Prabhupada: Just like we have in our country, "Legislative Assembly".

    Yogesvara: (French)

    M. Mesman: (French)

    Yogesvara: Yes, like that. (French)

    Prabhupada: But they're not necessarily lawyers.

    M. Mesman: (French)

    Prabhupada: We are also lawyer. Not in the material sense. But we know what is the law of God. (French)

    Yogesvara: He asks, "What are our activities in France?"

    Prabhupada: The same thing: to induce people to become lawful to the laws of God. (French)

    Prthu-putra: He asks what are we doing for that?

    Nitai: What ways are we doing that?

    Prthu-putra: In which way, what way, how?

    Prabhupada: This, we are chanting the holy name of Lord so that people may hear and their hearts be cleansed to understand what is God. (French)

    Prthu-putra: This gentleman asks if the disciples have to give up their religion, if, for example, they are Christian, they have to give up Christianity to be devotee.

    Prabhupada: Well, Christianity also, they are trying to understand God, and we are also trying to understand, not only understand, but we, we are trying others to understand what is God. (French)

    Prthu-putra: He asks if we have temple in France or if we do in apartment or if we do in conference, private conferences. How we are doing it?

    Prabhupada: Anyway. We welcome all, all learned men, or leading men, to understand this philosophy. And the book is... You show Bhagavad-gita. And all other books also show him. (French)

    Yogesvara: He says, unfortunately, he doesn't read English.

    Prabhupada: Here is French. French language. (French)

    Bhagavan: We have practical political philosophy.

    Yogesvara: He asks what are our political principles in Krsna consciousness. Do we have a program?

    Prabhupada: Our... We have not only political program, but we have got political, and economical, intellectual, and ordinary. We think... Just like in your body, there are four divisions: the head, the arms, the belly and the leg. So this is complete. Head is the most important division. If you cut your head, then everything finished. Therefore head must be there. Head means first-class intelligent men. And their qualification is stated... Find out, samo damas titiksa.

    Yogesvara: You want to translate? (French)

    Prabhupada: So there must be four divisions of the society, the first-class men, the second-class men, the third-class men and the rest, fourth-class. The first-class men should be self-restrained, control over the senses... Hmmm. Read. Yes.

    Yogesvara:

    samo damas tapah saucam

    ksantir arjavam eva ca

    jnanam vijnanam astikyam

    brahma-karma svabhava-jam

     [Bg. 18.42]

    Prabhupada: This is definition of the first-class man.

    Yogesvara: Do you want me to translate?

    Prthu-putra: (translates)

    Prabhupada: With all these qualifications, one can become first-class man. They should be the directors, or the brain of the society. The next class...

    Bhagavan: (correcting translator): "These people should be..." Prabhupada said: "These people."

    Prthu-putra: (corrects translation)

    Prabhupada: A class of men, first-class men...

    Yogesvara: He says "We say, 'They should be,' " which indicates that perhaps now we do not have that situation.

    Prabhupada: No. Practically none. That is the defect of the modern society, that there is no brain. Therefore the whole world is in chaotic condition. In your country also, it is famous for so many revolutions. And whole Europe is..., Russia and other countries, because there is no brain. So there is need of these qualified first-class men, to lead the human society. Then next class... The head is first class, and next class: arms, protector, administrator. Their qualification is stated...

    Yogesvara: Nitai?

    Prabhupada: Teja... What is that?

    Nitai: It's uh...

    Prabhupada: Tejas. No?

    Nitai: Sauryam,

    sauryam tejo dhrtir daksyam

    yuddhe capy apalayanam

    danam isvara-bhavas ca

    ksatram karma svabhava-jam

     [Bg. 18.43]

    "Heroism, power, determination, resourcefulness, courage in battle, generosity and leadership are the qualities of work for the ksatriyas."

    Prabhupada: Next class, the vaisyas. Krsi-go-raksya-vanijyam vaisya-karma svabhava-jam [Bg. 18.44].

    Nitai:

    krsi-go-raksya-vanijyam

    vaisya-karma svabhava-jam

    paricaryatmakam karma

    sudrasyapi svabhava-jam

     [Bg. 18.44]

    "Farming, cattle-raising and business are the qualities of the work for the vaisyas, and for the sudras, there is labor and service to others."

    Prabhupada: At the present moment, the people in general, they are engaged in service, in factories, in big, big office, big, big establishment. So they're all sudras, fourth-class men. And the fourth-class men select their representative. So they must be also fourth-class. Democracy means selected, I mean to..., voted, elected. So because they are being elected by the fourth-class men, the leaders are also fourth-class men. The fourth-class men cannot appreciate the first-class men. And there is lacking of second-class men. So the result is that at the present moment, the whole world is being managed by the fourth-class men. Therefore, there are so many anomalies.

    Prthu-putra: He says this concept is against the...

    Yogesvara: "Traditional western capitalism..."

    Prthu-putra: The traditional western capitalists.

    Yogesvara: It is against capitalism, this idea?

    Prabhupada: No. It is the movement to qualify men to their respective positions. It is an educational system to divide first-class, second-class, third-class, fourth-class. They all required, but at the present moment, the fourth-class man is occupying the first-class man's place. We want to divide the society into real first-class, second-class, third-class... They're all required, but they have got their respective positions, not topsy-turvied. As the, as to keep the body fit, we require the head, the hands, the belly and the legs. If we simply keep legs, it is useless. (French)

    Prthu-putra: He asks what language we use when we read Bhagavad-gita and...

    Prabhupada: No. This is in Sanskrit language, but we translate into different languages.

    M. Mesman: English?

    Prabhupada: English, French, German, Spanish, and other languages. (French)

    Prthu-putra: He asks if we have to be disciple, do we have to know Sanskrit or to learn Sanskrit.

    Prabhupada: Not necessarily. Because it is published in other languages. (French)

    Prthu-putra: He asks how many disciples there is in France?

    Bhagavan: Tell him there's hundred devotees, but there's hundreds who come to the temple.

    Prabhupada: Dedicated devotee, hundred. (French)

    Yogesvara: If one is a full-time disciple...

    Prabhupada: He's dedicated disciple.

    Yogesvara: Does that mean he must give up his family, and come and live here?

    Prabhupada: No, he can live with his family. It is to take up the cause, not to give up the family. We don't believe in giving up. We believe in engaging them properly. That is our philosophy. (French)

    Prthu-putra: He asks if the hundreds devotee are all in Paris or they are a little bit everywhere...

    Yogesvara: Explain there's travelling parties.

    Bhagavan: No, we're centered in Paris, and they travel all over France. (French)

    Prthu-putra: He asks if we have a school in France.

    Prabhupada: We have got a school in Dallas, America, but we are trying to open a school here, also. (French)

    Yogesvara: This school is for all ages or just for children?

    Prabhupada: No, all ages. Children means they learn Sanskrit and English. And they are taught our books. You show our books, all books. These are... Other books. We have got eighty books like this. So if a student reads all these eighty books, he becomes Doctor of Philosophy. Ph.D. Beginning from A,B,C,D, up to Ph.D., all, everything is there. (French)

    Prthu-putra: He asks if you wrote all these books.

    Yogesvara: Did you write all these books?

    Prabhupada: That you can say. What can I...?

    Yogesvara: Yes, our spiritual master has translated these books. (French) He asks, "These are the ancient Sanskrit books then?"

    Bhagavan: Prabhupada has not just translated. He's given commentary, purport.

    Prabhupada: Yes, you can show the nature, translation, word-meaning. (French) Then I combine with reference to the modern society, how they can be applicable to the modern life. (French)

    Yogesvara: Have we interested any of the leading French citizens in our movement?

    Prabhupada: That I do not know, but many French men came to see me, and...

    Yogesvara: Last year, at Hotel De Ville.

    Prabhupada: Eh?

    Yogesvara: Last year, you were received by the Mayor at Hotel De Ville.

    Prabhupada: No, but in America we have reception from highly scholarly people, university heads, like that. Our books are being read in universities, colleges, and they're accepted in big, big libraries. Not only accepted what is published, but they have forward order for all the publications that will come. Yes? Hmmm. (someone comes in with a plate of prasadam)

    Prthu-putra: (explains about prasadam)

    Prabhupada: They have learned this preparation, these girls. We have taught them. We are strictly vegetarian. From grains, from milk and sugar, and just two three, things, we require, and we can prepare thousands of preparations out of that. From milk and grains and sugar... And? What else?

    Prthu-putra: Fruit, vegetables.

    Bhagavan: Fruits.

    Prabhupada: Fruits, vegetable, we can prepare thousands of preparations, very palatable. Some of them you can taste. Yes, take. Whatever you like, take.

    Yogesvara: Maybe you can also explain that this...

    Prabhupada: What is this preparation, explain. You explain.

    Yogesvara: This is burfi.

    Bhagavan: : This is cake, cookie.

    Prabhupada: No, not cookie. It is burfi like... What is this made of?

    Bhagavan: This is...

    Girl: This is sandesa.

    Prabhupada: Oh, sandesa. It is milk preparation. Give him one more. No, no. This sandesa, you give him one more. So our recommendation is, "Don't kill cow." Take milk and make thousands of preparations, all nutritious and very healthy. They do not know how to use cow. Instead of killing, if we take, let the animal live and give us milk, and from the milk, we make hundreds of preparations. The milk is nothing but blood, transformation of blood. So we take the blood by killing the animal, but we do not wish to kill such an important animal, but they take the blood in form of milk and make preparation. And those who are flesh-eaters, let them wait for the death of the cow. Then let them eat the flesh, not living condition. So we are making preparation that keep the cows, protect the cows, and when the cow dies, the flesh-eater may take it away. So he can take the skin, he can take the hoof, he can take the horn, he can take the flesh, everything, whatever he likes. Because when it is dead, it is no more useful for us. So the others, who are interested with the skin, in the flesh, in the hoof, they can take it. And they get it free. Without any cost. Because after death, we don't want it. So this is our program. Let the cows live. We take sufficient milk. We are getting milk, one thousand pounds. One thousand pounds daily in our, one center, New Vrindaban, Virginia. So we are making various preparations from the milk, and they are very happy, and the cows are also happy. So this is one of our programs, to stop killing this important animal. And the flesh-eaters may wait a little until the cow dies. Then he gets the opportunity. Why there should be slaughterhouse maintained? As you are one of the leading citizens of Paris, we appeal to you to take up this consideration seriously. Why we should maintain slaughterhouse? If we want to eat the flesh, let us wait till the death. And there will be death. There is no doubt about it. So why they should maintain slaughterhouse? And this is most cruelty. A animal which is giving milk, so important foodstuff, and that is being killed, it does not suit any moral sense of any human being. On the contrary, according to Vedic system, there are seven mothers. And cow is accepted one of them. Because she gives milk, and we take her milk, therefore she's our mother. So this is our philosophy. (French)

    Prthu-putra: He says there is a French...

    Yogesvara: Saying.

    Prthu-putra: A French saying that says, "We don't have to kill the cow's milk."

    Yogesvara: The cow who gives milk.

    Prthu-putra: The cow who gives milk.

    Yogesvara: One should not kill... That's a French saying.

    Prabhupada: Ah!

    Yogesvara: That one should not kill the cow that gives milk.

    Prabhupada: That's all right. Very good philosophy. Why don't you follow?

    Yogesvara: It's a proverb.

    Prthu-putra: Proverb.

    Prabhupada: Problem?

    Yogesvara: Proverb.

    Prabhupada: So put into action this proverb. So that is... You are one of the leading mayor. That is our appeal. What is unreasonableness in our proposal that so long the cow lives...? Cow, every cow gives milk. So it fulfills your proverb also. So under the circumstances, let the cows live peacefully, take milk and make this preparation of cow's milk, and when it is dead, free of charges. (French)

    Yogesvara: He says he will try to take to heart what you have told him today, and he thanks you for having received him.

    Prabhupada: So kindly do this service. Krsna will bless you.

    M. Mesman: Thank you. Thank you very much.


    Prabhupada: Hare Krsna. Jaya. (end)

    Room Conversation with Monsieur Mesman, Chief of Law House of Paris -- June 11, 1974, Paris

     

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    "Animal Killers will never..."  BY SRILA PRABHUPADA

    Indian man (6): Another question comes. Why, how the caste system has crippled our society so much, was accepted by...

     

    Prabhupada: Wrongly, wrongly. Krsna says, catur-varnyam maya srstam guna-karma-vibhagasah [Bg. 4.13]. So according to quality and work... That is fact. If you have got engineering qualification and if you can work as engineer, people will call you engineer-saheb. Is it not? So there may be a class of engineer, but that depends on quality and work. But if you have no quality, no work, how you become engineer? If you have no qualification of becoming an engineer, and you do not work, you work as a clerk, and if somebody addresses you "Engineer-saheb," he is a fool, you are a fool. (laughter) So if he's not a brahmana, if you call him a brahmana, then you are fool and he is also fool. So that is going on, fools' paradise. A rascal who is not in qualification a brahmana, if he's addressed and given honor of a brahmana, he's sees, "Oh, for nothing I am getting this honor, that's right, very nice." And who is giving him honor as brahmana, he's also rascal. But it is not that. Catur-varnyam maya srstam guna-karma-vibhagasah [Bg. 4.13]. Not by birth. One must acquire the quality of a brahmana.

     

    samo damas tapah saucam
    ksantir arjavam eva ca
    jnanam vijnanam astikyam
    brahma-karma svabhava-jam
     [Bg. 18.42]

     

    He must be truthful, he must be self-restrained, self-controlled, full of knowledge, very simple. All these qualifications, when he acquires, then he becomes a brahmana.

     

    Indian man (6): No, even in Ramayana and Mahabharata we find this kind of, Ekalavya was discriminated, Karna was discriminated...

     

    Prabhupada: Because he was not accustomed to the practice of brahmana. One must be brahmana by practice; that is wanted.

     

    Indian man (6): This is kind of discrimination though.

     

    Prabhupada: Hmm?

     

    Indian man (6): This is kind of discrimination though.

     

    Prabhupada: Yes. Krsna says mam hi partha vyapasritya ye 'pi syuh papa-yonayah [Bg. 9.32]. Never mind if he's born in low-grade family, but he's eligible to go back to home, back to Godhead. Te 'pi yanti param gatim. Do you mean to say unless one becomes a first-class brahmana he can go back to home, back to Godhead? No, that is not possible. So, kirata-hunandhra-pulinda-pulkasa abhira-sumbha yavanah khasadayah sudhyanti [SB 2.4.18]. The purificatory process... Just like these Europeans, Americans, they are being recognized as brahmanas because they are pure devotees. That is Caitanya Mahaprabhu's mission. He says krsna-bhajane nahi jati-kuladi-vicara [Cc. Antya 4.67]. Krsna-bhajane, if one becomes Krsna conscious, there is no such discrimination, even if you make that, because as soon as you become Krsna conscious, you become the best brahmana. That is also stated in the Bhagavad-gita. Sa gunan samatityaitan brahma-bhuyaya kalpate [Bg. 14.26]. He immediately becomes on the brahmam platform. And brahmana means one who knows brahma. Brahma janati iti brahmana. So every devotee, if he's purely engaged in devotional service, he's more than brahmana. And so-called brahmana, without Krsna consciousness, that is not recognized. Avaisnavo gurur na syad vaisnavah sva-paco guruh. If a dog-eater, candala, he has become a Vaisnava, he can be guru. But a brahmana, sat-karma-nipuno vipro mantra-tantra-visaradah, avaisnavo gurur na syat. If he's expert, Vedic chanting and everything, mantra-tantra-visarada, but if he's not a Vaisnava, he cannot become guru. So according to our Caitanya Mahaprabhu's... That is actually according to Vedic injunction. If you understand Krsna, then you become more than a brahmana. Try to understand Krsna, and then your life is successful. And Krsna is being distributed by Lord Krsna. Not only He's giving Krsna, He's giving krsna-prema, krsna-prema-pradaya te krsnaya krsna-caitanya-namne gaura-tvise namah [Cc. Madhya 19.53]. Caitanya Mahaprabhu is so kind, merciful, He's not only giving Krsna, He's giving krsna-prema, which is very, very rare. (converses in Hindi with Indians for some time)

     

    Indian man (4): Prabhupada? Buddha was the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the incarnation of Krsna, right? Then why he has preached the impersonal form of God?

     

    Prabhupada: That is explained in the Srimad-Bhagavatam. You have got Srimad-Bhagavatam here? Find out that, when Lord Buddha appeared, that verse. Sammohaya sura-dvisam [SB 1.3.24]. His propaganda was to cheat the atheist class of men. Atheist class of men, they did not recognize existence of God, so He became one of them. Sadaya-hrdaya darsita-pasu-ghatam. This atheist class, they were killing animals in the name of yajna like anything. So yada yada hi dharmasya glanir bhavati [Bg. 4.7], so He came as Buddha to stop this animal killing. His real business was stop the animal killing, that these rascals are going to hell in the name of religion, so at least stop their activities of animal killing. So therefore he started the mission, ahimsa paramo dharma: "Don't kill animals." But in the Vedas there is recommendation, in the yajna, as you were saying, that there is..., animal killing is recommended. So people presented that "Here is animal killing recommended in the yajna." Therefore he denied the authority of Vedas. Nindasi yajna-vidher ahaha sruti-jatam sadaya-hrdaya darsita-pasu-ghatam. So this Buddha incarnation is cheating the atheist class of men. He said that "Don't kill animals. If you are killed you feel pain. Why you should kill animals?" That was his mission, to stop animal killing, sinful activities. So what was your question?

     

    Indian man (4): I just asked why he has preached impersonal form of God.

     

    Prabhupada: Yes, because they were all godless, so he said, "There is no God, but you stop this animal killing." That was his mission. And he said, "There is no God, but whatever I say, you accept." So they agreed. But he is God. That is cheating. Superficially he said there is no God, but he is God. Somehow or other, if people stop animal killing and accept Lord Buddha, then he becomes at least one step forward to God realization. So in a cheating process he made good to others.

     

    Dhrstadyumna:

     

    tatah kalau sampravrtte
    sammohaya sura-dvisam
    buddho namnanjana-sutah
    kikatesu bhavisyati
     [SB 1.3.24]

     

    Prabhupada: Translation.

     

    Dhrstadyumna: "Then in the beginning of Kali-yuga, the Lord will appear as Lord Buddha, the son of Anjana, in the province of Gaya, just for the purpose of deluding those who are envious of the faithful theists."

     

    Prabhupada: To delude them. Read the purport.

     

    Dhrstadyumna: "Lord Buddha, a powerful incarnation of the Personality of Godhead, appeared in the province of Gaya (Bihar) as the son of Anjana, and he preached his own conception of nonviolence and deprecated even the animal sacrifices sanctioned in the Vedas. At the time when Lord Buddha appeared, the people in general were atheistic and preferred animal flesh to anything else. On the plea of Vedic sacrifice, every place was practically turned into a slaughterhouse, and animal killing was indulged in unrestrictedly. Lord Buddha preached nonviolence, taking pity on the poor animals. He preached that he did not believe in the tenets of the Vedas and stressed the adverse psychological effects incurred by animal killing. Less intelligent men of the age of Kali, who had no faith in God, followed his principle, and for the time being they were trained in moral discipline and nonviolence, the preliminary steps for proceeding further on the path of God realization. He deluded the atheists because such atheists who followed his principles did not believe in God, but they kept their absolute faith in Lord Buddha, who himself was the incarnation of God. Thus the faithless people were made to believe in God in the form of Lord Buddha. That was the mercy of Lord Buddha: he made the faithless faithful to him. Killing of animals before the advent of Lord Buddha was the most prominent feature of the society. They claimed that these were Vedic sacrifices. When the Vedas were not accepted through the authoritative disciplic succession, the casual readers of the Vedas are misled by the flowery language of that system of knowledge. In the Bhagavad-gita a comment has been made on such foolish scholars. The foolish scholars of Vedic literature who do not care to receive the transcendental message through the transcendental realized sources of disciplic succession are sure to be bewildered. To them, the ritualistic ceremonies are considered to be all in all. They have no depth of knowledge. According to the Bhagavad-gita, the whole system of the Vedas is to lead one gradually to the path of the Supreme Lord. The whole theme of Vedic literature is to know the Supreme Lord, the individual soul, the cosmic situation and the relations between all these items. When the relation is known, the relative function begins, and as a result of such a function the ultimate goal of life of going back to Godhead takes place in the easiest manner. Unfortunately, unauthorized scholars of the Vedas become captivated by the purificatory ceremonies only, and natural progress is checked thereby. To such bewildered persons of atheistic propensity, Lord Buddha is the emblem of theism. He therefore first of all wanted to check the habit of animal killing. The animal killers are dangerous elements on the path of going back to Godhead. There are two types of animal killers. The soul is also sometimes called the animal, or the living being. Therefore both the slaughterers of animals as well as those who have lost their identity as the soul are animal killers. Maharaja Pariksit said that only the animal killer cannot relish the transcendental message of the Supreme Lord. Therefore if people are to be educated on the path of Godhead, they must be taught first and foremost to stop the process of animal killing as above mentioned. It is nonsensical to say that animal killing has nothing to do with spiritual realization. By this dangerous theory many so-called sannyasis have sprung up by the grace of Kali-yuga to preach animal killing under the garb of the Vedas."

     

    Prabhupada: Now there are so many rascals in this dress of sannyasi, they are eating meat. That is going on. They say, "What is the wrong of eating meat? Can eat." They eat meat. Then?

     

    Dhrstadyumna: "The subject matter has already been discussed in the conversation between Lord Caitanya and Maulana Chand Kazi Shaheb. The animal sacrifice as stated in the Vedas is different from the unrestricted animal killing in the slaughterhouse."

     

    Prabhupada: There, your question.

     

    Dhrstadyumna: "Because the asuras, or the so-called scholars of Vedic..."

     

    Prabhupada: Now you were referring to the Vedic principle, but that does not mean you have to open slaughterhouse. But these rascals are opening slaughterhouse. You think it is Vedic principle? Suppose it is recommended that animals should be sacrificed in the Vedic ritualistic ceremony. Does it mean that you shall open regular slaughterhouse? Just as the Christians say that Jesus Christ ate fish, therefore they are right in opening big, big slaughterhouse? Maybe Lord Jesus Christ ate fish in some awkward circumstance, but that does not mean that he is recommending to open slaughterhouse. In the Ten Commandments he says, "Thou shalt not kill." When there is absolute necessity, there is no other food, that is another thing, but if there is sufficient other foodstuff, why should you kill? They are not even human being, those who are animal killers. Vina pasughnat [SB 10.1.4]. Those who are animal killers, they are not even human being, what to speak of religious system. Nivrtta-tarsair upagiyamanad bhavausadhac chrotra-mano-'bhiramat ka uttamasloka-guna [SB 10.1.4]. If you are animal killer, your God consciousness is finished. You'll never be able to understand what is God. Then your life is finished. This life is meant for understanding God, and if you are animal killer, then your God understanding is finished.

     

    Guest (1): May I ask a question, Prabhupada? Something that I've wondered about, perhaps you could explain it briefly. I believe that Krsna is the Supreme God, so don't get me wrong, but since you mentioned Christ, was he an incarnation of Krsna? Was Jesus Christ sent here by Krsna from...

     

    Prabhupada: He says that he is son of God; that is accepted.

     

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