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cintāmaṇi-prakara-sadmasu kalpa-vṛkṣa-
lakṣāvṛteṣu surabhir abhipālayantam
govindam ādi-puruṣaḿ tam ahaḿ bhajāmi

I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord,
the first progenitor who is tending the cows,
yielding all desire, in abodes built with spiritual gems,
surrounded by millions of purpose trees,
always served with great reverence and affection
by hundreds of thousands of lakṣmīs or gopīs.

veṇuḿ kvaṇantam aravinda-dalāyatākṣam-
barhāvataḿsam asitāmbuda-sundarāńgam
govindam ādi-puruṣaḿ tam ahaḿ bhajāmi

I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord,
who is adept in playing on His flute,
with blooming eyes like lotus petals with head decked with
peacock's feather, with the figure of beauty tinged with the hue of blue clouds,
and His unique loveliness charming millions of Cupids.

ratnāńgadaḿ praṇaya-keli-kalā-vilāsam
śyāmaḿ tri-bhańga-lalitaḿ niyata-prakāśaḿ
govindam ādi-puruṣaḿ tam ahaḿ bhajāmi

I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, round whose neck
is swinging a garland of flowers beautified with the moon-locket,
whose two hands are adorned with the flute and jeweled ornaments,
who always revels in pastimes of love, whose graceful
threefold-bending form of Śyāmasundara is eternally manifest.

ańgāni yasya sakalendriya-vṛtti-manti
paśyanti pānti kalayanti ciraḿ jaganti
govindam ādi-puruṣaḿ tam ahaḿ bhajāmi

I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord,
whose transcendental form is full of bliss,
truth, substantiality and is thus full of the most dazzling splendour.
Each of the limbs of that transcendental figure possesses in Himself,
the full-fledged functions of all the organs, and eternally sees,
maintains and manifests the infinite universes, both spiritual and mundane.

advaitam acyutam anādim ananta-rūpam
ādyaḿ purāṇa-puruṣaḿ nava-yauvanaḿ ca
vedeṣu durlabham adurlabham ātma-bhaktau
govindam ādi-puruṣaḿ tam ahaḿ bhajāmi

I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, who is inaccessible to the Vedas,
but obtainable by pure unalloyed devotion of the soul,
who is without a second, who is not subject to decay, is without a beginning,
whose form is endless, who is the beginning, and the eternal puruṣa;
yet He is a person possessing the beauty of blooming youth.

panthās tu koṭi-śata-vatsara-sampragamyo
vāyor athāpi manaso muni-puńgavānām
so 'py asti yat-prapada-sīmny avicintya-tattve
govindam ādi-puruṣaḿ tam ahaḿ bhajāmi

I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, only the tip of the toe
of whose lotus feet is approached by the yogīs who aspire after the transcendental
and betake themselves to prāṇāyāma by drilling the respiration;
or by the jñānīs who try to find out the nondifferentiated Brahman
by the process of elimination of the mundane,
extending over thousands of millions of years.

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"Spiritual Aesthetics"  BY SRILA PRABHUPADA.  PART 1.


om ajnana-timirandhasya jnananjana-salakaya
caksur unmilitam yena tasmai sri-gurave-namah

sri-caitanya-mano-'bhistam sthapitam yena bhu-tale
svayam rupah kada mahyam dadati sva-padantikam

he krsna karuna-sindho dina-bandho jagat-pate
gopesa gopika-kanta radha-kanta namo 'stu te

tapta-kancana-gaurangi radhe vrndavanesvari
vrsabhanu-sute devi pranamami hari-priye

vancha-kalpatarubhyas ca krpa-sindhubhya eva ca
patitanam pavanebhyo vaisnavebhyo namo namah

tad-vag-visargo janatagha-viplavo
yasmin prati-slokam abaddhavaty api
namany anantasya yaso 'nkitani yat
srnvanti gayanti grnanti sadhavah
[ SB 1.5.11]

The other day we discussed about literature which is very nicely composed from literary point of view, or poetic, or rhetoric. Maybe nicely... But if there is no description of the Absolute Truth or the Supreme Personality of Godhead, that sort of literature is enjoyed by a class of men who are compared with the crows. That we have discussed. It is simply wasting time, valuable time in the human life, to divert our attention to such ordinary literature. They are called gramya-katha. In Sanskrit language it is called gramya-katha. Gramya-katha means any book, any poetry, or any novel, or any drama... There is some hero and heroine, a man or woman, about their loving affairs, tragedy, comic, like that. Actually, it is gramya-katha. The same thing as we are experiencing daily, ahara-nidra-bhaya-maithunam, this eating, sleeping, mating, that's all. What is the value of such literature? What do you gain by that? No. Simply mental agitation. And if it is sex literature, then it is very appealing. So that means it is something like havisya krta(?)... Just like if you offer fuel on the fire, the fire will go on and it will, I mean to say, consume as much as you go on giving fuel. But there is no santi. The fire will never be extinguished. Actually, what we want? What is the mission of our life? What is the aim of our life? We are hankering after santi, or peace. So that sort of literature will not give us any peace. It will simply agitate the mind.

Therefore those who are paramahamsas, those who have understood the essence of this cosmic manifestation, they are not interested in such literature. On the other hand it is said that tad-vag-visargo janatagha-viplavah. (commentary) Vinapi pada-caturyam bhagavad-yasah-pradhanam vacah.(?) Sridhara Svami gives note that there may not be any poetic, metaphorical, or analogical, ornamental language, but vinapi pada-caturyam. Pada-caturyam. Pada means composition. In every language there are rules and regulations for composing poetry or prose, grammatical, rhetorical. So even such knowledge, even without such knowledge, pada-caturyam bhagavad-yasah-pradhanam. Just like we chant Hare Krsna. So we are not training our students any way about musical science, that "We have to chant in this way or that way, we have to dance in this way or that way." Without any musical knowledge, without any poetic understanding, even a child can take part in it, and he becomes immediately absorbed in ecstasy. Why? This is because we are chanting the glories of the Lord.

So it does not require any artificial musical knowledge or dancing knowledge. Out of your own ecstasy, you will dance, you'll chant. You don't require to study. Just like our playing of mrdanga. Nobody has gone to an expert mrdanga player to learn it. Whatever I play, I sing, I never studied under some expert teacher. But by practice, chanting, it may be melodious, it may be very nice or not. That doesn't matter. We are not concerned about that, whether it is appealing to the people or not. It will appeal; there is no doubt about it. But we don't require to divert our attention on these things. Simply because there is glorification of the Lord, it will be palatable. Just like Pariksit Maharaja said, bhavausadhac chrotra-mano-'bhiramat ka uttama-sloka-gunanuvadat virajyeta vina pasughnat [SB 10.1.4].

Pariksit Maharaja, when he was hearing about Bhagavata from Sukadeva Gosvami, he expressed his experience. Oh, what is that? Now, nivrtta-tarsair upagiyamanat. This chanting or understanding of the pastimes of Krsna, Uttama-sloka... Uttama-sloka-gunanuvadat. Whatever we are reading in the Bhagavad-gita or Srimad-Bhagavatam or we are chanting, the subject matter is glorifying the Lord, who is called Uttama-sloka. Uttama-sloka. Sloka means verse, and uttama means transcendental or very nice. So whenever we offer some prayer, read some literature, Bhagavata, the verses are composed in very nice words and systematically. In Srimad-Bhagavatam you'll find every sloka, the topmost literary composition. Topmost, full of meaning, full of philosophy. In every line you'll find. So Pariksit Maharaja says that this transcendental vibration, uttama-sloka-gunanuvadat... Gunanuvadat means glorifying the transcendental quality. When we say that Krsna, or God, is nirguna... Nirguna means quality. So when we say... That is explained in Bhagavad-gita. Nirguna guna-bhoktr ca.(?) He's nirguna, but He is also enjoyer of qualities. What does it mean? That Krsna is not within the material qualities of goodness, passion, or ignorance. All His qualities are transcendental, nondifferent from Him. Therefore His glorification of the transcendental qualities can be chanted who are already in the transcendental platform. Others cannot.

Therefore Pariksit Maharaja says, nivrtta-tarsaih. Nivrtta means already finished, completely finished. What is that finished? Trsna. Trsna means hankering. One who has finished his material hankering, they can chant this transcendental glorification of the Lord. Others cannot. Just like in our sankirtana movement, you are taking so much ecstasy, pleasure. So others will say, "What these people are doing? Crazy fellow, they're trancing, dancing and beating some drum." They'll feel like that because their hankering for material enjoyment is not finished. Therefore nivrtta.

Actually, this transcendental name of Krsna, or God, can be chanted in liberated stage. Therefore we prescribe, while chanting, there are three stages. The offensive stage, liberated stage, and actually on the platform of love of Godhead stage. That is the perfectional stage by chanting. In the beginning we chant in offensive stage -- the ten kinds of offenses. But that does not mean that we shall not chant. Even there are offenses, we shall go on chanting. That chanting will help me to get out of all offenses. Of course, we must take care that we may not commit offenses. Therefore this list of ten kinds of offenses are given. We should try to avoid. And as soon as it is offenseless chanting, then it is liberated stage. That is liberated stage. And after liberated stage, the chanting will be so pleasing because that is on the transcendental platform that actual love of Krsna and God will be relished. But the same thing... The chanting... In the offensive stage, the chanting, and the liberated stage is chanting... But in the mature stage... Just like Rupa Gosvami, he used to say that "What shall I chant with one tongue and what shall I hear with two ears? If millions of ears I had, if millions of tongue I had, then I could chant and hear." Because they are in liberated stage.

But we should not be dejected for that purpose. We should continue with perseverance. Utsahad dhairyat. Utsahat means with enthusiasm, and dhairyat, dhairyat means perseverance, patience. Utsahat. Niscayat. Niscayat means with firm determination: "Yes, I have begun chanting. Maybe there are offenses, but if I continue, Krsna will be pleased to place me on the transcendental platform when I shall relish what is this chanting Hare Krsna." Just like Visvanatha Cakravarti has given that the mango in the ripe stage and unripe stage. Unripe stage, it is bitter, but the same mango, when it is fully ripe, it is sweet, the sweetness. We shall have to wait for this stage, and we shall have to be careful that we may not commit offenses. Then we, surely, we shall come. Just like a diseased patient, if he follows the regulations given by the physician and takes the medicine, then surely he'll be cured.

Therefore Pariksit Maharaja said that the chanting is for the persons who are liberated. Nivrtta-tarsair upagiyamanat. Actually, chanting can be perfectly done by persons who are already liberated. But those who are not liberated? Then he says, bhavausadhi. But it is the medicine of this material entanglement for becoming liberated. That is also, it is also medicine. When we are liberated, we'll chant and relish what is actually love of God. That is liberated. But even if we are not liberated, this will act as medicine to become liberated. So any stage, nivrtta-tarsair upagiyamanad bhavausadhac [SB 10.1.4]. Those who are chanting, they'll be liberated. And another thing is: for the common men who are not serious, srotra-mano-'bhiramat. They will hear and they will enjoy: "Oh, it is very nice."

Just like Jagai-Madhai. Jagai-Madhai, they were rogues. Rogues. And Nityananda Maha... Nityananda Prabhu delivered them. But when they were rogues... The Vaisnavas were chanting Hare Krsna, and these two brothers, one of them were appreciating, "Oh, these rascals chant very nicely." (chuckles) They were copying, these rascals, but appreciating. So we get some appreciation from the common man. They also give some contribution and they call us, they invite us. Because there is appreciation also. The three stages. Actually, chanting is possible in the liberated stage. But even if we are not liberated stage, it will act as medicine to bring us to the liberated platform. Nivrtta-tarsair upagiyamanad bhavausadhac chrotra-mano-'bhiramat [SB 10.1.4]. And for the common man it is very pleasant, pleasing also. "Oh, Hare Krsna." They also sometimes imitate, sometimes join because it is nice also. Just like sometimes on the street, some boys greet us, "Hare Krsna." They have no interest, but still, they are taking interest. It is so nice. You see? So three stages, liberated stage, and offensive stage, and beginning stage.

So Pariksit Maharaja said there are three stages. Bhavausadhac chrotra-mano... In three ways it is so nice, palatable. So why one should be aloof from this chanting? Ka uttama-sloka-gunanu... Who can be aloof from this chanting or hearing about the activities, pastimes of the uttama-sloka, Supreme Personality of Godhead? Vina pasughnat [SB 10.1.4]. The only person: who is pasughnat. Pasughnat means animal-killer. A person who is animal-killer, he'll not be interested. The animal-killer, you can, I mean to say, analyze the meaning in two ways. Animal killer means not exactly those who are butchers, or ordinary man who kills animal and eat. But even a person who does not take care of his self-realization, he is also animal-killer. He is killing himself. He is also animal-killer. Because this life is meant for self-realization, but he's not taking interest in self-realization. He is taking pleasure only just like animal. So I am also an animal. I am killing myself. If I don't take interest in self-realization and if I glide down again into the cycle of birth and death, then I am killing myself. Suiciding. That is our willing, killing ourself willingly. If I know that "If I do this, I will be punished like this," and if I still do this, then I am killing myself.

So the laws of nature is working. I am under, completely under the laws of nature. I may declare independence falsely. That doesn't matter. Nature's work will go on. And what is that nature's work? Daivi hy esa gunamayi mama maya [Bg. 7.14]. Nature is also Krsna's nature. This material nature is Krsna's nature. So material nature is not bad itself. She is also engaged in service of Krsna. Just like the police force. Police force, as the department of government, is not bad. It is doing faithfully service to the government. It is bad to me because I am criminal. Otherwise police force as it is, department, is not bad. Do you think that government is maintaining a nonsense bad department? No. It is serving the government. But it is bad for the criminals. Similarly, this maya, the external energy, the maya, it is bad for those who are godless, who are rascals. For them, maya is there. Otherwise, for devotee, there is no influence of maya.

Daivi hy esa gunamayi mama maya duratyaya [Bg. 7.14]. In the Bhagavad-gita you'll find that maya is strong only, it is very difficult to surpass the laws of nature, for whom? Who is not surrendered soul to Krsna. Maya. Mam eva ye prapadyante mayam etam... If you are not criminal, what business you have got with the police department? Nothing. Let the police department remain. You have nothing to do. Neither police department has any jurisdiction to come and disturb you. No. You live peacefully, lawfully. There is no... Similarly, if we do not become Krsna conscious while we have got this opportunity, this human form of life, we can understand what is Krsna, and if we willfully do not take to this consciousness, then the maya will act. Therefore... Just like a person knows that "I am committing these sinful activities. I'll be arrested by the police and maybe I'll be hanged. I'll have to give my life." He knows it, but he does it. That means willfully he's killing. He is making suicide. Similarly, if we know that "So long we do not become Krsna conscious, the maya will punish me in so many ways," knowing, if I do not take care, that means I am committing suicide.

So Caitanya... Here... Pariksit Maharaja said,

nivrtta-tarsair upagiyamanad
bhavausadhac chrotra-mano-'bhiramat
ka uttama-sloka-gunanuvadat...
 [SB 10.1.4]

Who will not take interest in the matter of understanding Krsna consciousness, vina pasughnat, except persons who are animal killer, or committing suicide? Therefore this verse said that even though there is no any poetic, I mean to say, rhetorical arrangement or grammatical arrangement, or nice words arrangement, if simply there is glorification of the Lord, Hare Krsna... So Hare Krsna, these two words or sixteen words or three words, it will be appealed. It will appeal to the devotees, to the great souls. But if you organize a great political meeting, they'll not go there. Just like in our country we have seen the Mahatma Gandhi was given the title mahatma. You can give your, any title. Nobody objects. Just like in Bengali we say kana-locana nyaya padma-locana(?). Padma-locana means very beautiful, lotus-eyed. But one mother has got a child who is born blind. Out of her love she has given the name Padma-locana, "lotus-eyed." You see? So that she can give because she loves the child. Even he is blind, that's her whim. "My boy, my child is padma-locana." Similarly, this "mahatma," this title you can give to any person you like, but it has a meaning, "mahatma."

So that meaning, "mahatma," is explained in the Bhagavad-gita. Mahatmanas tu mam partha daivim prakrtim asritah [Bg. 9.13]. Mahatma means who is not under the material energy, but he is under the spiritual energy. And what is the symptom that one is under the spiritual energy? That he has no other business except executing Krsna consciousness. That's all. That is the symptom.

mahatmanas tu mam partha
daivim prakrtim asritah
bhajanty ananya-manaso
jnatva bhutadim avyayam
 [Bg. 9.13]

 He has no other business except Krsna. That is mahatma. That is explained in the Bhagavad... So we, the people gave a title, this Gandhi, a politician. His business was how to get independence politically. He was given the title mahatma. So this mahatma, when there was meeting, hundreds of thousand people gathered. But no... Actually, there are persons in India who are called sadhus, sadhu-samaja. A great number. Not, I mean to say, a small number. They are three million in India still. There is statistics. Three millions persons who are in renounced order of... Sadhu, they are called sadhu. They do not come. So these three millions mahatmas, those who are engaged, they may be, some of them may be impersonalists, some of them may be yogis, some of them are devotees. That doesn't matter, because they are also engaged in understanding the Absolute Truth. The impersonalist, they're in the beginning stage, but they are not materialists. They are not materialists. They are trying to understand the Absolute Truth. They cannot accommodate the Absolute Truth, the Supreme, can be a person. That is their less intelligence. But they are engaged in searching out. Similarly, yogis... Real yogis, not these fat-reducing yogis. I mean to say... (laughter) Real yogis. They are concerned with understanding the Supersoul, Paramatma. And devotees, they are engaged in serving the Supreme Personality of Godhead.

So all of them are searching about the... Devotees, they have finished their searching. They have found out the real truth. Isvarah paramah krsnah [Bs. 5.1], the Supreme. So it is a question of degrees of spiritual understanding. So there are three million serious sadhus in India. None of them ever attended such Mahatma Gandhi's meeting, neither they invited Mahatma Gandhi. No. They never never recognized, recognized. Because what they have got to do with these political affairs? Just like... They know, this is the business of the crows. The crows will take interest in such meeting. Punah punas carvita-carvananam [SB 7.5.30]. What these politicians will do? They'll simply make plan. That's all. Hitler will make one plan, Mussolini will make one plan, Churchill will make another plan. Your Roosevelt will make another plan, Gandhi will make another. Simply planmaking business. They will never be able to bring any peace and prosperity in the world. That is not possible. Because it is under the grip of maya. They do not know. The peace and prosperity means surrender to Krsna. Then you become out of the clutches of maya. That secret they do not know. They're simply making plans. That's all. So planmaking, will always be frustrated. So simply agitation; it has no meaning. Therefore those who are transcendentalists, they know, this is crow's meeting. Sometimes, you have not seen, crows meeting. Kaw kaw kaw kaw kaw kaw kaw. They are passing resolution. You see? (laughter) You have seen crow's meeting?

Kirtanananda: Yes.

Prabhupada: They have also meeting, crow's meeting. If you kill one crow, you'll see thousands of crows will come and hold their meeting: "Oh, one crow is dead by the human being. We shall..." And if the man is detected, this man has killed, these crows will, I mean to say, hurt the head of that man. They'll come in flocks. Yes. I have seen in India. Yes. They sometimes attack. So they have got also their own defensive measure. The crow's meeting.

So they are not interested (in) all these political affairs or so-called social affairs and resolution because they know this is not the method of becoming peaceful or prosperous. This is not the method. Without... Harim vina na mrtim taranti. Without God consciousness, nobody can be happy. Therefore if we write something, if a devotee writes something about Krsna consciousness, God consciousness... Here Srimad-Bhagavatam says that tad-vag-visargo janatagha-viplavah. Such kind of creative energy which is trying to put something for understanding of Krsna consciousness, janatagha-viplavah, that brings a revolution to the people for killing their effect of sinful activities. Janata agha. Janata means people in general, and agha, agha means sins. And that will... That can be... By such literature, spreading such literature, Krsna consciousness literature, there will be a revolution in the sinful activities of the people in general. Janatagha-viplavah.

(commentary) Vinapi pada-caturyam bhagavad-yasah-pradhanam vacah pavitram ity aha tad vag pavitra iti.(?) It is so pure. What is called? Disinfectant. The whole world is infected with the maya's influence, and this Krsna consciousness movement, Hare Krsna mantra, is disinfectant. It is sure. Disinfectant. Tad-vag-visargo janatagha-viplavah. (commentary) Bhagavad-yasah-pradhanam vacah pavitram ity aha tad vag iti, tad vag-visarga sa casau vag-visargo vacah prayogah. Jananam samuho janata, tasya agham viplavati nasayati.(?) Viplava means it kills. Because disinfectant. For example, we can give, now how this Krsna consciousness movement is disinfectant, that those who have seriously taken to it, they immediately stop the sinful infections, the four principles, regulative principles, illicit sex life, intoxication, gambling and meat-eating. How disinfectant it is. These four principles increases sinful activities. All other sinful activities will come one after another, one after another. Stealing, then cheating, then... So many other things will come if we follow these four principles. And if we stop these four principles, then the switch is off of committing further sinful activities. You must know that. It is... And how it can be maintained? By this disinfectant method, chanting Hare Krsna. Otherwise, it will not, simply by theoretical knowledge will not do.


"Spiritual Aesthetics"  BY SRILA PRABHUPADA.  PART 2.

So it is disinfectant, actually. Janatagha-viplavah. It stops further sinful activities of that person. And if we continue, that "Well, I have got a disinfectant method, chanting Hare Krsna. Therefore I can go on committing these four principles of sin, and I'll be (dis)infected." Just like in the Christian church they go, confess. That's all right. Confessing is disinfectant. But how is that you again do it? What is the meaning? You go to church, confess. That's very nice. Now your sinful activities is neutralized. That's all right. But why you are committing again? What is the answer? Hm? What will be the possible answer if I ask any Christian gentleman that "You are committing sinful activities, all right, confessing in the church before Lord Jesus Christ, he's representative, or his representative, or God. Your sinful activities all neutralized, excused. That's all right. But why you are committing again?" What will be the answer?

Nara-narayana: They will confess again.

Prabhupada: They will confess again. That means it has become a business. You see? That "I commit..." That is not the idea. Our, this offensive list you have noted, the offensive list, that prohibits that... Namno balad yasya hi papa-buddhih. Anyone who thinks like that, that "Because I have got this disinfectant method, so I shall commit sinful activities and I'll chant Hare Krsna, and it will be neutralized," so that is the greatest sin. Similarly... [break]

So my manager supplied morphine preparation to an unlicensed doctor, medical practitioner. In India there are many so-called medical practitioners. They are compounders, and after... Because there is scarcity of medical man. So there was one compounder. Some way or other, he took supply of morphine preparation from my manager. But the license was in my name. I am the proprietor. So I was called by the magistrate. So he asked my explanation: "Why you have done this?" So I gave my explanation, that "I am, of course, I am proprietor. The license is my name. But actually the business is done by my assistants, manager. So they have done it. In future I shall be strict. There will be no such mistake." So I was excused. But that does not mean that I shall again do that and again ask excuse. Because I confess, that does not mean... I'll never be excused. It is a common sense.

So persons who are trying to commit sinful activities on the strength of some spiritual activity, they're the greatest sinners. Namno balad yasya hi papa-buddhih. That is not allowed. You can neutralize your sinful activities by some spiritual a... But that does not mean... This is called hasti-snana. That is also explained. Hasti-snana. Hasti-snana means bathing of the elephant. The elephant goes into the reservoir of water, takes bath very nicely, and, as soon as come on the land, again takes some dust and throws over the body. Immediately. You see? So, that sort of purification is not required. Once purified, don't commit again. The harer nama [Adi 17.21], Hare Krsna mantra has got power to purify, but that does not mean that we shall commit again and purify it. That process is not this Hare Krsna mantra.

Seven... You have got that list? You have now... Ten kinds offenses? In this, is it written there that you cannot commit offense on the strength of Hare Krsna mantra? Yes, that's... So tad-vag-visargo janatagha-viplavah. Viplavati. It vanquishes, it nullifies, it neutralizes. That's a fact. Nasayati. Yasmin vag-visarge, vag-visarge abaddha, abaddhavaty api apasabdadi-yukto 'pi prati slokam anantasya yasasah ankitani namani bhavanti.(?) So such kind of Hare Krsna mantra, or sometime... Just like you are chanting, you are, the mantras, because it is not your language. So sometime it appears broken. Just like guru. Sometimes you say "goru." "Goru" means cow, and "guru" means spiritual master. So the difference of meaning is vast. (chuckling) The spiritual master is not a cow. Or a bull. (laughs) But sometimes they... Because it is not your language... But that doesn't matter. Because bhavagrahi janardana. Krsna is within you. He knows what you want to chant. Therefore He takes the meaning of guru and not goru, even it is spoken as goru. That doesn't matter. Bhavagrahi janardana. He, Krsna, knows that what you are actually... Just like I know that although you are speaking guru as goru, I, I, I, I don't take offense because I know that your desire is something else. I do not protest. (laughter) That "You are addressing me goru. I am not goru." (laughter) So that is not a fault. Similarly, it is said that yasmin prati-slokam abaddhavati. If somebody does not know how to spell, how to say, but his idea is there, abaddhavaty api, because he wants to chant the holy name of the Supreme Lord, namany anantasya, ananta... Ananta means the unlimited. His name is being chanted. Namany anantasya yaso 'nkitani. And His glorification is being done. The effect is srnvanti gayanti grnanti sadha... Those who are actually advanced transcendentalists, they'll appreciate: "Oh, how nicely they are doing. How nicely." Although there is broken language of goru instead of guru, that will be appreciated.

But, on the other hand, where there is no such intention, very, I mean to say, nice composition, but there is no... Just like there are so many poets; they'll give you nice ideas, hallucination. You'll be in the poetic idea. As soon as... Just like our Ginsberg. Ginsberg gives so many poetic ideas. People throng: "Oh, Ginsberg is speaking." But there is... Now he's chanting, of course, Hare Krsna. But in his poetry there is very rarely we can find about here. So anyway these things are not appealing to the persons who are really transcendentalists. But a, a, a composition which is even in broken language, if it is meant for glorifying the Supreme Lord, that is appreciated... Srnvanti gayanti grnanti. Srnvanti means they very attentively hear. Srnvanti. Srnvanti means hearing. Srnvanti gayanti. Also repeats the chanting. Repeats. Gayanti and grnanti. Grnanti means they take also. "It is very nice. It is very nice composition." Srnvanti gayanti. This is the distinction. One side, however nice it may be, poetically, rhetorically, but if there is no glorification of the unlimited Supreme Lord, it is rejected by the hamsas. The... Just like the play, pleasure hunting place for the crows is never accepted by the swans, similarly these kinds of literature...

Now you try to understand how Narada Muni is chastising his disciple like Vyasadeva, that "You have created some literature which will be enjoyed by the crow class men." You see. Just see. He compiled Vedanta-sutra. Still, Narada Muni chastised him that "Your composition will be liked by the crow class men, not the swan class men." You see. Yes. Actually, you will find... So many so-called Vedanta philosophers. The Mayavadis, they are called Vedantists. The Ramakrishna Mission here, they are also preaching Vedanta philosophy. They are called... Vedanta Church there is in Los Angeles. And in New York there is a Vedanta... What is that?

Disciple: Vedanta Society.

Prabhupada: Vedanta Society. But we, actually we find they are enjoyed by a crow class men. Because they do not know what was the intention of writing Vedanta philosophy. That Vedanta philosophy explanation is Srimad-Bhagavatam. Vyasadeva actually did it. Bhasyam brahma-sutranam **. This is... Therefore Bhagavata, it begins with the first aphorism of Vedanta-sutra: janmady asya yatah [SB 1.1.1]. The author himself explains because he knew under, after the instruction of Narada Muni he could understand that "What fault I have done by writing this Vedanta-sutra because that will (be) misinterpreted by the crow class men. Therefore I must write my own commentary of the Vedanta-sutra so that swan class men will enjoy it." That is the Srimad-Bhagavatam.

Yasmin, yasasam grnanti atre tu yad yani namani sadhavo mahanto vaktari sati srnvanti srotari sati grnanti, anyatha tu svayam eva gayanti kirtayanti.(?) So indirectly he hinted that: "You should compile one first-class literature which the swan class men will hear, will chant and enjoy. So far, what you have done, that will be enjoyed by the crow class men. But you do something which will be enjoyed by the... Then you will be satisfied. Otherwise, you'll not be satisfied." That was his indirect hint. "You are not satisfied by, even after compiling Vedanta-sutra. That means, that indicates that these literatures will not be satisfactory for the swan class of men, or paramahamsa." Paramahamsa means the topmost transcendentalists. They'll never...

Actually, you'll find that our Kirtanananda Swami was in Vrndavana. There are many devotees. There are many devotees; they're illiterate practically. They do not know what is Vedanta-sutra. But still, by their sincere devotional service they're very much elevated. What to speak of others, Gaura-kisora dasa Babaji Maharaja. Gaura-kisora dasa Babaji Maharaja, he was illiterate. He could not sign even his name. But he was so spiritually elevated that my spiritual master, who was the topmost scholar of his time, he accepted him as spiritual master. What is the reason? The reason is that this transcendental science does not depend on academic qualification. It is, it is not that because one is very, academically very qualified, he'll become a devotee. No. The secret is... That is given in the Vedic literatures: yasyasti bhaktir bhagavaty akincana No:

yasya deve para bhaktir
yatha deve tatha gurau
tasyaite kathita hy arthah
prakasante mahatmanah
 [SU 6.23]

The transcendental knowledge becomes revealed. To whom it becomes revealed? It becomes revealed to such person who has got unflinching love for Krsna and for the spiritual master. Caitanya-caritamrta also says: guru-krsna-krpaya paya bhakti-lata-bija [Cc. Madhya 19.151]. One can come to the spiritual perfectional stage, or come to the spiritual platform, by the mercy of Krsna and the spiritual master. The, this is Vedic version: yasya deve para bhaktih. One who has got unflinching faith... Deve. Deve means the Supreme Lord. Para bhakti: transcendental devotional service to the Supreme Lord. Yatha deve tatha gurau. And as he has got unflinching faith in Krsna, similarly he has got unflinching faith to the spiritual master. Tasyaite kathita hy arthah: all these Vedic literatures and their purport and their meaning will be revealed to him. Tasyaite kathita hy arthah prakasante. It becomes revealed. Prakasante mahatmanah.

So that is the secret, not that erudite scholarship. One must be very much sincere. Then Krsna will give you dictation. He is within. Guru-krsna... First of all, if I am sincere and if I want to serve the Supreme Lord... The Supreme Lord is within you. He'll give you direction: "All right. You do this. You do this. You just go to this man, and he'll give you good counsel." He'll give you direction. Therefore first mercy is of Krsna, and then the spiritual master is considered as the mercy-representation of Krsna. Krsna helps us from within and without. From within He's helping us as the Supersoul, and from without, He's helping us as the spiritual master. So Krsna is ready to help us in all, always, in all perfectional stage, if we are simply sincere. Para bhakti. Yasya deve para bhaktih. If you have got transcendental devotional mood, then everything will come. It does not depend on this linguistic, I mean to say, advancement or academically... Simply we have to develop our transcendental love and devotional service to the Supreme Lord, and then gradually He'll give me direction. He'll give me right direction. Everything will be all right.

So Narada Muni is advising that "You do something which will be accepted." Srnvanti gayanti grnanti sadhavah. "Do something for the saintly persons, transcendentalists. What you have done this, literature for the crowlike persons. Do something for the swanlike persons." Na sobhate jnanam alam niranjanam.

naiskarmyam apy acyuta-bhava-varjitam
na sobhate jnanam alam niranjanam
kutah punah sasvad abhadram isvare
na carpitam karma yad apy akaranam

So our problem is that we may not make any more cause for our next material birth. That is called akaranam. Akaranam. Just like I have got this body. The cause is my previous activities, in my past life's activities. Similarly, if I continue my materialistic way of life, then I am causing another material body. This is called karanam. If I have got a doggish mentality, then I am causing myself to get a dog's body. Akaranam.

So if we want to stop these causal activities, then, as it is stated: yavan na pritir mayi vasudeve. Unless you develop your love of Godhead, there is no other way to stop this causal, cause and effect. The cause is this and the effect is this. Cause and effect. The whole material world is going on, cause and effect. People do not consider that why there are so many, 8,400,000 species of life. There must be something. Some of them foolishly think that once one gets this human form of life he does not glide down. Is it not? He remains in the human form of life. No. There are many instances. Just like Bharata Maharaja, he got the body of a deer. There are so many instances.

So it is not a permanent settlement that once we have got this human form of body we cannot glide down. We can glide down. Bhagavad-gita says: yam yam vapi smaran loke tyajaty ante kalevaram. At the time of death the mental position will give you another body of the same type as you are mentally absorbed at that time. So therefore we have to prepare, we have to prepare ourselves so that at the time of death we may... Ante narayana-smrtih. At the time of death we can once think of Krsna. Then our life is successful. It is said in Bengali that bhajana kara sadhana kara matijanle haya.(?) What is that? That whatever spiritual advancement you are doing, that's all right. The test will be at the time of your death. Examination. That is the point of examination. What is the mental state at that time. Difficult job.

Therefore we have to practice: Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare/ Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. In this way, unconsciously or consciously, if we simply can remember Hare Krsna, then our life is successful. This is a most scientific method. Simply if we can remember... It doesn't require how far we are educated, how far we are scholar, no. Ante narayana-smrtih. Etavaj janma-saphalyam. Then there is... So Pariksit Maharaja was to die within seven days. Therefore he called for... Not called for. Sukadeva Gosvami, out of his own accord, came, because he knew Pariksit Maharaja was a great king, and great devotee. He's, from his childhood... It is described... Just like this child is playing with Deity, Pariksit Maharaja used to play with Deities. We had also the opportunity from our father to play with Deities. So these are great opportunities, to get ideas, good ideas, and training, training. Really, this is the training, this association. Simply by associating, associating with these members, this chanting, regulative chanting, dancing, and taking prasadam, he's being educated. Highly educated. Tan manye adhitam uttamam. One who has learned about the devotional service, then he's to be understood highly educated. That is the recommendation by Prahlada Maharaja.

So actually we don't require any other education. This association will give anyone who will come, either child or old man. That doesn't matter. He'll be highly educated. But because we are in this material world, therefore we have to give some education. But that is secondary. Real education this. Just like you are doing, all rising early in the morning, mangala-aratrika, kirtana, and then... These regulative principles, this is real education. It does not require any academic education. It is simply practice. Tan manye adhitam uttamam. That is Prahlada Maharaja's recommendation.

So Narada Muni is inducing his disciple, Vyasadeva, to write Srimad-Bhagavatam, will be, which will be heard and, srnvanti, will be accepted, and grnanti, and srnvanti gayanti, and chanted. So those who are actually in the transcen..., they accept Srimad-Bhagavatam... Srimad-bhagavatam amalam puranam, yasmin paramahamsyam giyate. Paramahamsa-samhita. This is paramahamsa-samhita. This Srimad-Bhagavatam is meant for the topmost transcendentalists. It is not for ordinary... Not for the impersonalists, or for the yogis. The topmost transcendentalist means devotees. Because Krsna says... Who is transcendentalist? Who wants to know God, he is transcendentalist. Not ordinary person. No, no, who is topmost transcendentalist? The devotees. Why? Why not the yogis, and the jnanis, impersonalists, and the, the meditators about...? Why they are not? Because Krsna says that bhaktya mam abhijanati yavan yas casmi tattvatah [Bg. 18.55], "Only through devotional service one can understand Me."

So transcendental life means to understand the Absolute Truth. The Absolute Truth can be understood perfectly only through devotional service. There is no other way. There is no other way. In every scripture, Vedic scripture, this is announced. In the Srimad-Bhagavatam also, the same thing confirmed: evam prasanna-manaso bhagavad-bhakti-yogatah [SB 1.2.20]. When, by discharging devotional service, one will be prasanna-manasah, very jolly mood, always jolly... Bhagavat-tattva-vijnanam mukta-sangasya jayate... Unless one is freed from material anxiety, unless one is spiritually joyful, he cannot understand what is the science of Krsna. It is not possible. So therefore we have to cultivate this devotional service. Then our ultimate goal of life, to understand the Absolute Truth, our relationship with Him, that will be perfectly done.

Thank you very much. (end)
 Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.5.11 -- New Vrindaban, June 10, 1969

"Unnecessary Necessities"  BY SRILA PRABHUPADA.


om ajnana-timirandhasya jnananjana-salakaya
caksur unmilitam yena tasmai sri-gurave-namah

sri-caitanya-mano-'bhistam sthapitam yena bhu-tale
svayam rupah kada mahyam dadati sva-padantikam

he krsna karuna-sindho dina-bandho jagat-pate
gopesa gopika-kanta radha-kanta namo 'stu te

hare krsna hare krsna krsna krsna hare hare
hare rama hare rama rama rama hare hare

naiskarmyam apy acyuta-bhava-varjitam
na sobhate jnanam alam niranjanam

kutah punah sasvad abhadram isvare
na carpitam karma yad apy akaranam

Now Vyasadeva is discussing different kinds of literature. So he has explained that any literature, however nicely prepared from rhetorical point of view, or poetical, metaphorical, grammatical, but if there is no information of the Absolute Truth, such literatures are useless and no saintly person will take any interest in such literature. They give it up. Just like the swans, they do not take pleasure in a place where the crows can take pleasure. As there is distinction between the crows and the swans, even in the bird's kingdom, or even in the animal kingdom... You'll find always. The different kinds of varieties of birds and beasts, they live together. Similarly, those who are saintly persons, those who are Krsna conscious persons, their taste is different from the persons who are just like crows. Crows are interested in things... Carvita-carvananam. Prahlada Maharaja says, "chewing the chewed." Already it has been chewed, and if somebody wants to try it, "Let me see. What is the taste there?" it is useless labor only.

So this material world is going on on the system of chewing the chewed. Just like a person, he has done very good business, amassed money, and sense gratification he has done. But he is not satisfied. But still, he'll induce his sons and grandsons to the same business. He has experienced that "In this way, life is not very pleasing. I have not satisfied myself, but still, why I am engaging my sons and grandsons to the same business, chewing the chewed?" But because they have no better information... Na te viduh svartha-gatim hi visnum durasaya ye bahir-artha-maninah [SB 7.5.31]. Prahlada Maharaja advised his father, atheistic father. He said... When his father inquired, "My dear boy, where you got all these ideas?" He was perfect devotee, and the father was perfect atheist. He said, "This status is..., cannot be achieved without being favored by a pure devotee."

Naisam matis tavad urukramanghrim. Urukramanghrim, anghri. Anghri means lotus feet. Nobody can be interested to the lotus feet of the Supreme Personality of Godhead... Because to be become interested in the lotus feet of the Supreme Personality of Godhead means to become liberated. Anartha-apagamah yad-arthah. Anartha. Anartha means unnecessary. We are creating unnecessary necessities of life and becoming entangled. This is material life. But if one becomes Krsna conscious, interested in Krsna, then he becomes detestful: "What is the use?" Just like our brahmacaris, our devotees, they can lie, lie down flat on the ground. They don't require any nice bedstead or cushion. Because the life is so molded, they think, "Well, I have to take some rest. So in this way and that way, why should I bother about that?" Yes. That is the sign of advancement in Krsna consciousness. Krsna consciousness means bhaktih paresanubhavo viraktir anyatra syat [SB 11.2.42]. Those who have no taste of Krsna consciousness, they are trying to be happy by unnecessarily increasing the material demands because they have no other information. But as soon as one is engaged in devotional service of Krsna, paresanubhuti, he relishes some transcendental pleasure, and, as a result of that, this nonsensical pleasure becomes insignificant.

That is the test. A devotee can..., cannot be equally interested with material pleasure and transcendental pleasure. No. Virakti. Bhagavad-gita also says that param drstva nivartate. Just like in a hospital a diseased person is forced not to accept a certain type of foodstuff. He has the desire. He has the desire to take such food. Just like a typhoid patient, suffering from typhoid. Doctor says that "You cannot take any solid food. A little liquid food you can take." But he has the desire to take the solid food. "Oh, doctor has asked me not to take such food. All right, what can I do?" But he has got the desire. But a devotee, he hasn't got to be forced just like the physician asks him, "Don't do this." He automatically does so. Why? Param drstva nivartate: he has seen or he has tasted something better for which he doesn't like to take any more this abominable taste. That is bhaktih paresanu... That means when we become detestful such abominable things, then we should know that we are advancing in Krsna consciousness. The test is in your hand. You haven't got to ask anybody, "Do you think I am increasing in Krsna consciousness," but you can understand. Exactly in the same way: if you are hungry and if you are eating, you know, by eating, how much your hunger is satisfied, how much you are feeling strength, how much you are feeling pleasure. You haven't got to ask anybody. Similarly, if anybody increases his Krsna consciousness, the test will be that he will be disinterested with all material pleasures. That is test.

Just like Yamunacarya. He was emperor. He was emperor. And his standard of living is very, was very high. Standard of living, materialistic standard of living, means, high standard of living means, unrestricted enjoyment of wine and woman. That's all. That is the standard. So he was addicted to all these habits. He was king. At his command everything was there. If, if a man is rich, three things, four things will be at his command: wine, woman, gold and gambling. It is called. Yes. So therefore these are the places, I mean to say, allotted to Kali by Pariksit Maharaja. Therefore a persons who is desirous of advancing in Krsna consciousness, he should take care. So this Yamunacarya later on became a great devotee. So he has got... He happened to be the spiritual master of Ramanujacarya. He became a great devotee, Yamunacarya, in the Sri-sampradaya Vaisnavas. So he writes very nice... These are practical experience of the acarya. Yad-avadhi mama cetah krsna-padaravinde nava-nava-dhamany udyatam rantum asit... He was, in his previous life, very extravagant. So he says, "Since I have taken to Krsna consciousness and I am enjoying daily new, new transcendental pleasure, being advancing myself in that science, the result is," tad-avadhi, "from that day, since that day," bata nari-sangame... Because he was accustomed to associate with women very much. "So now, simply by thinking of this womanly association..." Means sex life. He says, bhavati mukha-vikarah susthu nisthivanam ca: "Oh, I hate. My face immediately becomes turned. Oh, what nonsense. I used to..." So the bhakti, this Krsna consciousness, the test is there. The more you become advanced, more you become, no more any interest in this material pleasure.

So ordinary literature, they're full with all this, I mean to say, gramya-katha. The man and woman's behavior, that is good literature. There is a hero; there is a heroine. So those who are saintly persons, they do not take interest. So Narada was advising Vyasadeva that "You have written this Mahabharata. That's all right. It is a great epic, history. But the, mostly... History means the ordinary dealings of the worldly men. So what benefit there is? That is nothing. No saintly person will take interest." Actually, this Mahabharata was written by this, by Vyasadeva for giving instruction, Vedic instruction to the less intelligent class of men. He has given introduction, stri-sudra-dvija-bandhunam trayi na sruti-gocara: "The Vedic knowledge is difficult to be understood by these classes of men and women: stri-sudra -- sudra class, woman class, stri, sudra -- and dvija-bandhu." And dvija-bandhu means born in high family, brahmana, ksatriya, vaisya, but their behavior is different, like sudras. They cannot understand Vedas. Therefore there is restriction, that "The sudras cannot read Vedas." They are restricted.

So therefore Mahabharata was written by Vyasadeva. But Narada says that "This kind of literature will not appeal to the saintly devotees. So you write something for the satisfaction of the saintly devotees." And he is giving the instruction that "Even such literature is written in broken language, not in the proper way from grammatical point of view, from poetic point of view, from rhetorical, still, because such literature is full with glorification of the Supreme Lord, saintly persons, they accept it, they hear it, and they chant it." Then he says, naiskarmyam apy acyuta-bhava-varjitam. Acyuta. Acyuta means Krsna. Krsna's name is Acyuta. You'll find in the Bhagavad-gita. Arjuna says to Krsna, senayor ubhayor madhye ratham sthapaya me acyuta. He's addressing Krsna as Acyuta. Acyuta means "not," and cyuta means "falldown." So God never falls down. Therefore God's name is Acyuta. The Mayavada philosopher says that God has become man, being, I mean to say, complicated in maya, being illusioned. But God is acyuta. God never falls down. Then what is the meaning of this acyuta? If God falls down, becomes under the clutches of maya, then maya is greater than God. Then how God is great? That is the fallacy of their argument. They say that "I am God, but now I am under the clutches of maya. As soon as maya will be cleared, then I am again God." But they cannot answer the question that "Why? You are God. Why you are under the clutches of maya? How you fall down?" That answer, there is none. Because God is great, acyuta. He never falls down. Then how He can fall down? If He falls down under the clutches of maya, then maya becomes great, not God great.

Anyway, Vyasadeva, Narada says that "Even jnanam niranjanam..." Niranjana means... Anjana... Anjana means ointment or designation, something covering. So niranjanam. If one is elevated in knowledge, then he becomes free from this designated life. Our material life is anjana life, or designated life. Anjana... Just like we decorate. I think I wrote one article in my Back to Godhead in India, "Decoration of the Dead Body." This material qualification means decoration of the dead body. Actually, the body is dead, but there are certain men who wants to decorate this dead body. In India also, still the custom is in lower class men, when some of their relative die... I hear that here also they do such. They decorate the dead body very nicely. Here also the same system is there?

Devotees: Yes.

Prabhupada: So sastra says that what is the meaning of this decoration? What benefit the man who is dead, what benefit he's getting? Suppose you make lips very smiling, but actually that man is smiling? (laughter) Similarly, in India also, the cobbler class men, they, during their life, they will dress very wretchedly, not spend money, but after death they will purchase some velvet and cover the body and very nicely decorate, and with band party they'll take, lead the dead body. Apranasyeva dehasya mandanam loka-ranjanam. So it may be very much pleasing to the relatives. Just like the dead body's decorated. The sons of that dead body may see him, that "Oh, my father is smiling." (laughter) But he does not know where his father has already gone. You see?

So this material civilization is just like decorating the dead body. This body is dead. That is a fact. So long the soul is there, it is working, it is moving. Just like your coat. It is dead. But so long it is on your body, it appears the coat is moving. The coat is moving. But if somebody is very much astonished, "Oh, how nice the coat is moving!" (laughter) He does not know the coat cannot move. The coat is dead. But because the man is there who is putting on the coat, therefore the coat is moving, the pant is moving, the shoe is moving, the hat is moving. Similarly, this body is dead. It is numbered: this dead body will remain for such and such time. That is called duration of life. But people are interested with this dead body exactly like the cobbler class or these decorating men. So decoration of the dead body. Apranasyeva... Apranasya means dead. Apranasyeva mandanam loka-ranjanam. Loka-ranjanam: "It is very pleasing to the relatives." That's all. Similarly, to get liberation, niranjanam -- niranjanam means to get out of this so-called decoration of the dead body -- one requires to acquire knowledge.

So Narada says, naiskarmyam apy acyuta-bhava-varjitam na sobhate jnanam alam niranjanam. (aside:) Before the Deity, not like that. Yes. That "Even there is advanced knowledge for getting liberation, and if there is no mention of acyuta..." Acyuta-bhava. Acyuta-bhava means bhakti, acyuta-bhava. Just like here, in this temple, there is Acyuta-bhava. Acyuta-bhava means Krsna consciousness. There may be another room in the neighborhood, but the difference between this room and that room: here the atmosphere is acyuta-bhava, Krsna conscious. The other room is not that. Similarly, Narada says, "Even high, elevated discussions of knowledge, how to get out of this designated or decorated body to self-realization platform, spiritual realization, but if that is acyuta-bhava-varjita, if there is no mention of Krsna consciousness," Vyasadeva, er, Narada says, na sobhate, "that does not look very well." Therefore the devotees, they're not very much interested with the dry philosophical speculation because there is no acyuta-bhava. There is no Krsna consciousness. They, they, they have been described as vak-caturyam, simply jugglery of words, Mayavadi philosophical speculation. There must be acyuta... We have got sufficient philosophy, but it is plus Krsna consciousness. That is the difference, Mayavada philosophy and our philosophy. We are discussing also... The Bhagavata, each line is full of philosophy, each line, practical philosophy. But there is acyuta-bhava, Krsna, Krsna consciousness. That is the beauty. Bhagavad-gita, it is full of philosophy, but there is Krsna in the center. This philosophy's not dry. Other philosophies, they're simply dry, because that is without Krsna. In the... You'll find Buddha philosophy or Mayavada philosophy or Jain philosophy, they're philosophy, but simply dry. There is no God consciousness. There is no Krsna consciousness.

So here it is condemned that naiskarmyam apy acyuta-bhava-varjitam na sobhate: "It does not look very well. It is not first-class philosophy." Na sobhate. So kutah punah sasvad abhadram isvare na carpitam karma yad apy akaranam: "Then what to speak of those who are karmis?" The philosopher class, they are better than the karmis because they are searching after something. They are making research by knowledge. But the karmis, they are simply satisfied just like animals. They have been described in the Bhagavad-gita as mudha. Mudha. Na mam prapadyante mudhah [Bg. 7.15]. Mudha means ass. The karmis have been described as ass, whole day working, a beast of burden. Simply, unnecessarily, they have piled up on their back so many work. They have no more interest, nothing, no more interest, neither philosophy, nor Krsna, nor... Simply work hard and get some money and enjoy in eating, sleeping and mating, eat, drink, be merry and enjoy. That is their... That is... They are called karmis. So Narada says that "Even great philosophers who are trying to elevate themselves in the self-realization platform, if that sort of philosophy is acyuta-bhava-varjitam, without Krsna consciousness, that does not look well. That is not first-class philosophy." Philosophy should be to search out Krsna. That is philosophy. As it is stated in the Bhagavad-gita, vedais ca sarvair aham eva vedyah [Bg. 15.15]. What is the Vedic knowledge searching after? Krsna says, "Searching Me." Aham. Aham eva vedyah: "I am the ultimate goal to understand." In another place Krsna says in the Bhagavad-gita, bahunam janmanam ante jnanavan mam prapadyate: [Bg. 7.19] "Those who are actually philosophers, actually wise and attained wisdom, and after many, many births: research work..." Research work is very good. But the end of research work is Krsna. Therefore after many, many births, if one is actually wise and attained wisdom, then he finds Krsna. Vasudevah sarvam iti: [Bg. 7.19] "He finds that Vasudeva, Krsna, is everything." But sa mahatma sudurlabhah: "But such kind of great soul is very rare." These are the statement of Bhagavad-gita.

So the karmis, they are mudhas. They do not... They are not wise. Unless one is wise, he cannot surrender unto Krsna. Therefore Caitanya-caritamrta says, krsna yei bhaje sei bada catura. Catura means very intelligent. Only the first-class intelligent men in the human society, they can take to Krsna consciousness, not even second class, what to speak of the third class? The third-class men are karmis, the second-class men are philosophers, and the first-class men are devotees. So Narada says that, sobhate jnanam alam niranjanam
kutah punah sasvad abhadram isvare
na carpitam karma...

Then what to speak of the karmis? Their whole life is abhadra. Abhadra means abominable. Just like when earning money, I want to earn, say, millions of dollars. So I have to make plan. I have to go to black market, this and that, so many things. Then if I earn money, then how to invest it to make it double? Then how to keep it? Which bank I shall keep it so that my money will be safe? How I shall distribute it? So abhadra. Abhadra means the whole procedure is simply abominable, beginning to the end. [break] ...karmis, simply full of anxiety: "How to earn money? How to distribute it? How to keep it? How to spend it? How to utilize it?" Therefore, it is advised that saintly persons, they should avoid money. As soon as... Money is great maya. As soon it comes in my possession, then the same thing will come: "How to utilize it? How to do this? How to do that? How to do that?"

So Sridhara Svami says that, evam bhuta-vijnanam acyuta-bhava-varjitam cet alam tata na sobhate tada sat-sadhana kale phala kale ca abhadram duhkha duhkham yat kamam.(?) Lust. We require money for fulfilling our lust. So it is, beginning, from the beginning to the end, it is abominable. Yadyapy akatak ceti cakarasya anvaya.(?) So therefore we should employ our money for Acyuta, for Krsna. Then it will be nice. Otherwise, it will be simply abominable. How money can be utilized for Krsna? How? If somebody says, "It is the same money. How, by spending it for Krsna consciousness, it become nice?" The question may be raised: "The money is the same. How you say that when it is employed in Krsna consciousness business, it is nice, and when it is not employed, it is bad? Money is the same." The reply is there. Bhagavata says. What is that reply?

Now cikitsitam. The example is given: just like milk. If you take... Milk is very nice food. But if you take more, then there will be disorder of the bowel. If you, by greediness, you take more milk, then there will be bowel complaint. Yes. Then, when there is bowel complaint, you go to physician. Then he gives you prescription: another milk preparation. What is that? Yogurt. If you say to the physician, "Well, I am suffering by taking milk preparation, and you are giving another milk preparation. How it will be cured?" No, it will be cured. Similarly, this material world, there is different type of use. As soon as you use it for your sense gratification, you'll be affected with material disease. And if you use it for Krsna consciousness, it will elevate you to the liberated condition. Just like the same example. In your diseased condition, if you go on again taking milk preparation as it is, then it will increase your bowel complaint, but if you take in another form, in prasadam, under the direction of the authority, then you, the same thing, the same enjoyment, that is, material, will elevate you to the liberated stage.

So we should employ... Without Krsna, either philosophy, or karma, or jnana, or yoga, they are useless. Narada says that "You should write books simply describing about Acyuta, or Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead." He says,

atho maha-bhaga bhavan amogha-drk
suci-sravah satya-rato dhrta-vratah
samadhinanusmara tad-vicestitam

"Now you are maha-bhaga. You are most fortunate man." Vyasadeva is not ordinary. Just see. Narada is his spiritual master. He's not ordinary man. And besides that, he is taken as incarnation of God. Maha-bhaga. Atho maha-bhaga bhavan amogha-drk: "Your vision is without any sin." Because he has dedicated his life to present the Vedic literature for the benefit of the human society, that "They have forgotten God, Krsna. Let me help." Therefore, he is trying to give all this Vedic literature.

That is the duty of all devotee, to give literature so that people may take benefit out of it. Just like about the Gosvamis, it is stated about the Gosvamis,

nana-sastra-vicaranaika-nipunau sad-dharma-samsthapakau
lokanam hita-karinau tri-bhuvane manyau saranyakarau
radha-krsna-padaravinda-bhajananandena mattalikau
vande rupa-sanatanau raghu-yugau sri-jiva-gopalakau

The six Gosvamis, they engaged themselves in literary work. Nana-sastra-vicaranaika. They are... You'll find in Rupa Gosvami's books. Oh, how many references are there! From Puranas, from Vedas, from this literature, that literature. Highly, great scholars. So that is one of the duty. We have given the list of qualification of a devotee. One of the qualification is poetic. Poetic means not write poetry. Poetic means literary man. They must give literature. Naturally they'll give. That is the nature of devotee. Because without literature, how can we enlighten the people at large? My Guru Maharaja used to say that this press is brhad-mrdanga. Brhat means bigger, at large, bigger mrdanga, bigger. Just like we are playing mrdanga. This mrdanga can be vibrated in the neighboring quarter, but our mrdanga, Back to Godhead, that will go far, far away. So therefore this press was considered by my Guru Maharaja as brhad-mrdanga. He said. You'll find in the picture: there is this mrdanga and press. He was very much fond of press. In the very beginning of his, this life, he started one press. You'll find in his life a small press.

So this press propaganda, this literary propaganda, is required because it is not sentiment. Krsna consciousness is not sentiment. It is not that some sentimental people have gathered here and dancing and chanting. No. There is background. There is philosophical background. There is theological understanding. It is not blind or sentimental. So therefore Narada advises Vyasadeva that "You are not only fortunate, but you are amogha-drk. Your vision is perfect because you are liberated." Amogha. Our vision -- we are not perfect. Therefore you'll find in Vedic version, anusrnuyet, anuvarnayet. Anu. Anu means following. Following. We have to follow the acaryas. Just like Vyasadeva. Amogha-drk: his vision is without any impediment. There are four kinds of impediments for the conditioned soul. What are those? That we are subjected to commit error. Any man will commit error because he's conditioned, he'll be illusioned, and he will try to cheat, and his senses are imperfect. These four imperfectness of a conditioned soul. Anywhere, you take any great man, any big man, he has got these four imperfections. Therefore without liberated man, you cannot get real knowledge. Therefore you'll find even the so-called scientists, astrologer, and the astronomer, or... They're studying this nature, "Perhaps," "It might be," because they have no clear vision. And another scientist comes. They changes. But you'll find in the Vedic literature, everything clear understanding. Just like the Vedic literature says the division of the living entities. Jalaja nava-laksani. Accurate number is that "There are 900,000 species of life in the water." Accurate. So they might have said ten, one million, or 800,000. No. Nine hundred thousand. Nine hundred thousand. Because accurate, amogha-drk, they have been placed. How it has been acquired? The..., the same process: parampara, amogha-drk. If you receive knowledge from the person who is liberated, then it is all right.

So Vyasadeva is liberated person. Amogha-drk. He's amogha-drk. Bhavan amogha-drk suci-sravah: "And your behavior is pure." Suci-sravah: "You have heard the Vedic knowledge from right sources, from pure sources." Suci-sravah satya-ratah. Satya-ratah means "You are dedicated to the Absolute Truth." These are the qualification. One must be liberated, one must be pure, one must be dedicated to the service of the Lord, and dhrta-vratah, and one must be determined. Then he can do something to the human society. Not a conditioned soul, by whims he can manufacture something, that "I can do something to the human..." It is not possible. Here are the qualifications, that,

atho maha-bhaga bhavan amogha-drk
suci-sravah satya-rato dhrta-vratah

"If you actually desire to get this suffering humanity to become liberated from all kinds of material bondage, then, samadhina." Samadhina: in samadhi, in trance. Samadhina, anusmara... Here the same thing, anusmara. The, as I told you before, anu. Anu  means following. Just like Vyasadeva. Even after so many qualifications, he has a spiritual master, Narada. Not that because he's incarnation of God, not that because he's so learned, so great scholar and suci-sravah, and dedicated his life for the benefit of the human society... So many good qualifications. Still, you see practically: he has got a spiritual master, and -- Narada -- and he's giving instruction.

So this is necessary. Therefore it is said samadhina, means "Don't manufacture your meditation." Samadhi, this trance by meditation, cannot be attained by something manufacturing. Anu: "Just follow the great predecessor acarya." Samadhina anusmara tad-vicestitam. Tat means the acyuta, acyuta, the activities of the Lord. Therefore we have to learn Krsna consciousness through the disciplic succession. Our, this sampradaya, the Gaudiya-sampradaya, is also in the same line -- Narada, Vyasadeva. Narada is the disciple of Brahma. It is, therefore, called, this sampradaya... This party is called Brahma-sampradaya. Brahma-madhva-gaudiya-brahma-sampradaya. Originally from Brahma. Brahma instructed Narada. You'll find in the Bhagavata. Brahma is instructing Narada. Now you see Narada is instructing Vyasadeva. Similarly, Vyasadeva instructed Madhva Muni. Now, Madhva Muni, by disciplic succession, Madhavendra Puri. Now, Madhavendra Puri instructed Isvara Puri. Isvara Puri instructed Lord Caitanya. Lord Caitanya instructed the six Gosvamis. The six Gosvamis instructed Krsnadasa Kaviraja. Krsnadasa instructed Narottama dasa Thakura. Narottama dasa Thakura, Visvanatha Cakravarti. Visvanatha Cakravarti, Jagannatha dasa Babaji. In this way, there is a clear line of disciplic succession.

So that is recommended here, that samadhina. Samadhina, meditation, anusmara: "Don't manufacture your meditation." Just like there are so many meditators. They have manufactured their own way of meditation. That is not recommended, anusmara. Anu means "Follow. You become thoughtful, you think, but taking the instruction from higher authority." Just like Arjuna is taking instruction from Krsna. He is thinking, "Whether I shall fight or not fight?" So you become thoughtful. That's very nice. But don't be thoughtful without accepting a spiritual master. That thoughtfulness will not help you, because you are conditioned. You are, you have got the four kinds of defects. So that defect will not... Simply by becoming philosopher, speculator, will not help you. Athapi te deva ciram vicinvan. You cannot understand God for millions and millions of thinking. No, it is not possible.

Panthas tu koti-sata-vatsara-sampragamyo vayor athapi manaso muni-pungavanam [Bs 5.34]. That is stated in the Brahma-samhita. Muni-pungava. Muni-pungava means "the greatest of all thoughtful men." Muni means mental speculator, and pungava means first class, the highest, topmost. Pungava. So if such thoughtful speculators go on speculating about understanding God... How? Vayor athapi manasah. In the speed of, in the velocity of air and mind. Not sputnik. A sputnik can run... Your mechanical can run, say, eighteen thousand miles per hour, but the air, that can run still more quicker. And the mind can run still more quicker. So here it is recommended that if one is seated not on the ordinary airplane, but the airplane of air... The yogis can do that. The yogis know how to rise on the aeroplane of air, and they can immediately transfer to any planet. Vayoh. Vayor athapi. There were... There were planes made of air. Here... Just like now we have manufactured the planes, iron or aluminium, but there are planes of air, and similarly, there are planes of mind. You see?

So that, these are explained in the Brahma-samhita. Vayor athapi manaso muni-pungavanam. And manufactured by greatest, stalwart thinker, or scientist. And going in this speed for many, many thousands of years. Still, you cannot reach where is Krsnaloka.

panthas tu koti-sata-vatsara-sampragamyo
vayor athapi manaso muni-pungavanam
so 'py asti yat-prapada-simny avicintya-tattve
 [Bs 5.34]

Still... Just like when we go to airplane above the cloud, we see, still, the sky is unlimited. That is our experience. Still, the sunshine is unlimited, and we do not know where is the sun. Similarly, if one goes on the plane of mind and air, try to find out the Absolute Truth, it is not possible. Even many, many years, no, no. Still it remains avicintya-tattve, still inconceivable.

But this process, if you take anu... Anuvarnaye. If you take the process of... Just like the same example, as I told you, that there are 900,000's species of life in the water. Now, if you make research, it is impossible for you, whether actually... If you want to, want to know by experimental knowledge, "Let me see how far this Vedic instruction is right, that there are 900,000 thousand species of...," you, you...whatever experience you have got, it is not even one thousand species of life you have seen. But there are 900,000 species of life. But if you accept this Vedic knowledge, then your knowledge is there immediately.

So thing is that we have to take knowledge from the perfect. Then, even it is very difficult, but the knowledge is there. Even it is very difficult. Just like we are taking knowledge from Krsna. By our own effort, by the plane of mind and plane of air, we cannot reach where is Krsnaloka. But Krsna says that mad-yajino 'pi yanti mam: "Those who are My devotees, they can reach to My planet." So at least, we know that Krsna has got a planet, and if we take to devotional service, then we can go. Then why not try? There is no loss, but if there is such gain that we can go to Krsnaloka, so why not take to Krsna consciousness movement, simply chanting and dancing and taking prasadam? Is it very difficult job? The authority's Krsna. It is confirmed by Vyasadeva. It is confirmed by Narada. It is confirmed...

Therefore Arjuna says that "Krsna, whatever You are speaking in the Bhagavad-gita, I accept in toto." That is study of Bhagavad-gita. I do not select, "Oh, this portion is nice. I accept." Ardha-kukkuti-nyaya: "The back portion is nice. It is giving, the hen, daily, one egg. It is very nice. And the mouth portion is expensive. Cut it." The fool does not know if you cut this portion, that portion will be stopped also. So these, all these ordinary commentator... Just like Gandhi. He wanted to prove his nonviolence some way or other from Bhagavad-gita. How he can prove? This is the same thing, that he was finding out, "If there is something, simply cutting the head, if I can get egg?" That is not possible. That is not... If we have to accept Bhagavad-gita just like Arjuna says, that sarvam etad rtam manye yad vadasi kesava: [Bg. 10.14] "My dear Krsna, Kesava, whatever You are saying, I accept in toto. And this is confirmed by such authorities like Devala, Vyasa, Asita. It is not that because we are friends, I am accepting You, but I know it is confirmed by such great authorities like Narada, Asita, Vyasa."

So we have to follow. This is called anu. Anu means following. Therefore it is recommended by Narada that samadhina anusmara: "You try to understand the activities of the Supreme Personality of Godhead by samadhi, by trance, meditation, by following the instruction of me, or predecessors, like that." This is the way.

That's all right. (end)
Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.5.12-13 -- New Vrindaban, June 11, 1969

"Wonderfull Cure For Illusion"  BY SRILA PRABHUPADA.


atho maha-bhaga bhavan amogha-drk
suci-sravah satya-rato dhrta-vratah
samadhinanusmara tad-vicestitam

Each and every word of Srimad-Bhagavatam, full of volumes of explanation, each and every word. This is Srimad-Bhagavatam. Vidya-bhagavatavadhi. One's learning will be understood when he's able to understand Srimad-Bhagavatam. Vidya. Vidya means learning, not this science, that science. When one can understand Srimad-Bhagavatam in true perspective, then he's to be understood that he has finished his all educational advancement. Avadhi. Avadhi means "this is the limit of education." Vidya-bhagavatavadhi.

So here Narada says that akhila-bandha-muktaye: "You should present literature for the people so that they can become liberated from this conditional stage of life, not that you should more and more entangle them in this conditional..." That is the main theme of Narada's instruction to Vyasadeva: "Why should you present rubbish literature to continue the conditional stage?" Whole Vedic civilization is meant for giving liberation to the living entities from this material bondage. People do not know what is the aim of education. The aim of education, the aim of civilization, perfection of civilization, should be how people should get liberated from this conditional life. That is the whole scheme of Vedic civilization, to give liberation to the people.

So it is said: akhila-bandha-muktaye. Samadhina, akhilasya bandhasya muktaye, akhilasya bandhasya. We are in conditional stage, perpetually bound up by the laws of material nature. This is our status. And Narada is giving instruction to Vyasadeva that "Present literature so that they can become liberated. Don't give them more and more opportunity to continue this conditional life." Akhila-bandha. Akhila. Akhila means complete, wholesale. And who can give this contribution? That is also stated, that atho maha-bhaga bhavan amogha-drk. Whose vision is clear. Whose vision is clear. (about a child:) He's disturb.

Woman devotee: Is he disturbing you?

Prabhupada: Yes.

Woman devotee: Yes.

Prabhupada: Clear vision. Unless one has clear vision, how he can do welfare activities? You do not know what is welfare. His vision is clouded. If one's vision is clouded, if you do not know what is the destination of your journey, how you can make progress? Therefore the qualification... Those who are prepared to do good to the human society, they must have clear vision. Then where is the clear vision? Everyone is becoming leader. Everyone is trying to lead people. But he himself is blind. He does not know what is the end of life. Na te viduh svartha-gatim hi visnum [SB 7.5.31]. So therefore Vyasadeva can do it because he has clear vision. Narada certifies. Narada knows his disciple, what is the position. A spiritual master knows what is the condition. Just like a physician knows. By simply feeling the beating of pulse, a... An expert physician can know what is the condition of this patient, and he treats him and gives him medicine accordingly. Similarly, a spiritual master who is actually spiritual master, he can know, he knows the pulse-beating of the disciple, and he therefore gives him particular kind of medicine so that he may be cured.

So Narada Muni knows what is the status of Vyasadeva. He knows that he has got clear vision. Amogha-drk. Sridhara Svami says, amogha. Amogha means... Mogha means sinful, and amogha means without any sin. Amogha. So long one lives sinful life, he cannot have clear vision. Diseased condition. How? "Physician, heal thyself." He cannot have clear vision. Therefore amogha-drk means he is liberated person. He can see. Amogha-drk. Drk means vision. Amogha-drk. And Suci-sravah. Suci-sravah. Suci-sravah means whose sravah, means aural reception... suci. Suci means pure. Who has received knowledge by aural reception in pure heart, or from the pure source. Suci-sravah. Suci means pure. Sravah. Sravah means hearing. Suci... These are the qualification of the person who can actually do benefit to the human society. Not that everyone can do. That is the mistake of the... Everyone is giving some idea and some theory that "This way there will be peace, there will be nice thing in the world." But he does not know that he has to receive from the pure source by aural reception. One has to hear from the pure source what is actually benefit to the human society. These are the qualifications. Suci-sravah. Then next word is satya-ratah. Satya means truth, and ratah means engaged. "One who is engaged in the matter of the Absolute Truth," not relative truth. Absolute, satya-ratah. And dhrta-vratah. Dhrta-vratah. Vrata. Vrata means vow, and dhrta means who has taken vow that "I shall do this." These are the qualifications.

Now, when these qualifications are there, then Narada Muni entrusts Vyasadeva that "You can liberate all the conditioned souls." How? Conditioned souls... Samadhina anusmara tad-vicestitam: "Simply you try to contemplate, meditate, on the activities of the Supreme Lord." Samadhina. This is samadhi. Yoga process means to come to the stage of samadhi. Astanga-yoga. Yoga means there are eight different stages, and the last stage is called samadhi. The first stage is yama, samyama, controlling the senses. Yoga indriya-samyama. The beginning of yoga system means you have to control your senses. This is the first beginning. It is not a play thing, that you do all nonsense and you become a yogi. No. These things are very clearly explained in the Bhagavad-gita. You have to regulate your life. You have to stop sex life. You have to eat certain procedure. You have to sit under certain procedure. In this way, you have to follow so many regulative principles. That is called yama. And niyama. Niyama means regulative principles. Yama means controlling the senses. Yama, niyama. Then asana. Then sitting posture. Generally, in these yoga societies in your country, they give some lesson on the sitting posture, and people become captivated that he is practicing yoga. No. First one has to follow regulative principles and control the senses, then practice the sitting postures. Yama, niyama, asana, pranayama. And when your sitting posture is correct, then you can exercise breathing. Exercise. Breathing exercise means the nostril which is stopped breathing. You have to press that side and try to breathe from the other side. In this way, breathing exercise. Yama, niyama, asana, pranayama. This is called pranayama.

Then dharana, meditation. And what is that meditation? That meditation... Here it is recommended, tad-vicestitam: "meditation on the activities of the Supreme Lord." If the Supreme Lord is impersonal, then where is the question of activities? And how you can concentrate your mind something impersonal? Bhagavad-gita says that klesah adhikataras tesam avyaktasakta-cetasam: "Those who are trying to meditate on the impersonal feature, impersonal feature, their process is very troublesome." Kleso 'dhikatarah. Adhikatara means greater. Any spiritual realization, without painstaking, without accepting some voluntary trouble... And nobody can very easily..., eating, drinking, merrying. No, that will... That is not spiritual advancement. One has to accept voluntarily some principles. That is called tapasya. So dhyana. Dhyana means meditation. So that dhyana.

Then dharana. Dharana means meditating, then the subject matter will be fixed up in your heart. It will not move. Not that every day I am meditating on some new subject, no. The meditation is visnu-murti. Actually those who are yogis, they meditate on the four-handed visnu-murti. Mat-parah. In the Bhagavad-gita it is said, mat-parah: "unto Me," either Krsna or Visnu. That is meditation. Dhyana, dharana. And one, when one is practiced meditating, first beginning from the lotus feet... These things are all explained in the Bhagavata, Srimad-Bhagavata, Bhagavad-gita. Then gradually, when you are practiced to think of Krsna's lotus feet or Visnu's lotus feet, then you proceed -- then the thighs, then the waist, then the chest, then the mouth, I mean to, face, then... In this way, one after another, one after another, you have to meditate. In this way, when your meditation is fixed up, that is called dharana. Dharana. It is not moving. Dhyana, dharana.

Then pratyahara. Pratyahara means that your senses have been withdrawn from material engagement. The example is just like the tortoise. The tortoise can wind up all these parts of the limbs of the body within immediately. And when it is required, he can expand. So pratyahara means that you have to withdraw the sensual activities inside. When you withdraw your senses for inside activities, that is Krsna consciousness. That is Krsna consciousness. You have to think of always how to satisfy Krsna. Hrsikena hrsikesa-sevanam [Cc. Madhya 19.170]. Therefore hrsika, hrsika means the senses, and hrsikesa means the master of the senses. Krsna is the master of the senses. I am possessing my hand, but actually the owner of the hand is Krsna. These things are very nicely explained in Bhagavad-gita. Mattah smrtir jnanam apohanam ca [Bg. 15.15]. Suppose you are writing with your hands. So your memory must be acting; otherwise you cannot write. If your memory, if your brain, does not act, how you can write? Suppose you are typing. If memory does not act, then what is the use of this hand or your leg? Then Bhagavad-gita says, Krsna says, sarvasya caham hrdi sannivistah: "I am sitting in everyone's heart." Mattah smrtir jnanam: "The knowledge and memory is from Me." Therefore, when Krsna gives you memorization, gives you knowledge, then you can write or do something.

Therefore this hand is not yours; it is Krsna's. And Krsna consciousness means to know that "This hand does not belong to me. It is Krsna's. Therefore it must be engaged in Krsna's service." Hrsika, "These indriya, the sense," hrsikena, by hrsikena, "by these senses, Hrsikesa, the master of the sense should be served." Hrsikena hrsikesa-sevanam [Cc. Madhya 19.170], "service." Bhaktir ucyate: "This is bhakti." Bhakti is nothing new or something extraordinary. Simply to know, to be conscious that "All my senses, they belong to Krsna." Just like I am sitting here. These boys who are conducting this New Vrindaban, they have kindly given me this seat. So this is an example. So this seat I am not... I am a sannyasi. This seat does not belong to me, but I am sitting very comfortably because they have given to me. Similarly, these hand, legs, all these senses, five knowledge-acquiring senses and five active senses, ten kinds of senses, and the mind is in the center -- all these senses belong to Krsna.


tat-paratvena nirmalam
hrsikena hrsikesa-
sevanam bhaktir ucyate
 [Cc. Madhya 19.170]

What is the bhakti, Krsna consciousness? That one has to purify the senses. Aham mameti [SB 5.5.8]. Now I am claiming that "This hand is my hand. This is mine. This is my. This is I. This is my. This is..." This is the disease. Aham mameti janasya moho 'yam [SB 5.5.8]. What is illusion? Illu... This is illusion: "my and mine." Everyone. Everyone is claiming, "It is my body. It is my wife. It is my child. It is my country. It is my society, my this, my, my, my..." And "I." Unless "I," there is no "my."

So aham mameti [SB 5.5.8], this is the disease. And Krsna consciousness is to cure the disease, this cure diseases, to cure this illusion. What is that? When I understand that "I have no existence without Krsna. I am part and parcel of Krsna. In that sense, I am Krsna's," then my... That means to understand one's identification. Caitanya Mahaprabhu says, jivera svarupa haya nitya-krsna-dasa [Cc. Madhya 20.108-109]. Because I am part and parcel of Krsna, then what is my duty? To serve Krsna. There is no other duty. Any other duty I manufacture, that is illusion. That is maya, any duty I manufacture. So under illusion, I am manufacturing duties. This is called conditional life. So Vyasadeva is advised that akhila-bandha-muktaye:"People are under illusion, ‘I' and ‘mine.' So, just try to get them liberated from this illusion." This is Vaisnava's duty. Just like Narada is advising Vyasadeva, Vyasadeva is advising his disciple Madhvacarya. He is advising his disciple. This is Vaisnavism. They are not concerned for personal self. Akhila-bandha-muktaye: "Just try to liberate all these conditioned souls." Just like Lord Jesus Christ. For himself... He was son of God. He had nothing to do. God consciousness, he was. He's perfectly... He knows everything. But why he was crucified? Because he wanted to work for others. That is Vaisnavism.

Lord Caitanya advises, therefore, yare dekha tare kaha krsna-upadesa [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. Krsna consciousness means whomever you meet... Suppose I practice some yoga practice. Suppose I become perfect. So that I make for myself. For myself. But Krsna consciousness is so nice... Just like Vyasadeva is advised, "For others, just..." Krsna says in the Bhagavad-gita, na ca tasman manusyesu kascin me priya-krttamah [Bg. 18.69]. So Narada advises that "You do this." What is that? Urukramasya. Each word is meaningful. Urukrama. Uru means uncommon. Uru. Uru means great. And krama. Krama means activities. So who is Urukrama? Urukrama is Krsna, God. His activities are uncommon. Just see. This Pacific Ocean is just like in a cup. And it is floating in the sky. Is it not? We see: "Oh, it is vast ocean." But what is the position of this? This vast ocean is in a cup, and it is floating in the sky. That's all. Just see. This is called urukrama. This is God's activity. Can you float a cup of water in the sky? Is it possible? Let any scientist come and make any arrangement. They have discovered all this gravity of... What is called? Gravitation. So many things they have discovered. But let them fly a cup of water in the sky. Is it possible? Is there any scientist?

Therefore wonderful activities means... The wonderful actor means Krsna, Urukrama. Uru, urukrama... Just like Vamanadeva. Vamanadeva, He asked Bali Maharaja to give Him land covering His three feet. So he said, "My dear Sir, You are asking from me land. You ask something more. Your feet is so small. What you'll do with these three feet?" No. He said, "Yes, it is all right." So by the one feet, the whole universe became covered, upside. And another feet, the downside. And then there is no place to step the another feet. Therefore it is called urukrama. Just like Krsna. Krsna, at the age of seven years, He lifted the Govardhana Hill. Just like the children plucks out a flower like this, He immediately lifted. This is called urukrama, urukrama, uncommon, wonderful. Therefore Krsna's name is, another name is, Urukrama.

So here it is stated that tad-vicestitam. Whose? His activities. Whose activities? Urukramasya, "who acts wonderfully." Not that somebody is meditating -- his activities should be described. What wonderful things he has done? We are accepting anyone as God, but we do not test what, what proof he has given to become God? Here is God: Urukrama. Here is God. We accept Krsna as God. He has done from the very childhood uncommon, wonderful activities. We are not fool that we accept somebody, a nonsense having a great beard, and we accept God. No. We must see that he has wonderful activities. What is that wonderful activities? First of all test.

So here it is said, urukramasya. "If you describe the activities of the Supreme Lord, who acts wonderfully, then..." Samadhina. That you can... That samadhi, yoga-samadhi. After passing all these stages, when one comes to the samadhi, fixed up, his concentration, meditation, fixed up on Krsna and Visnu, that is called samadhi, and in that samadhi, one can become liberated simply by thinking of the activities of the Lord. How it is so? It is described in the Bhagavad-gita that,

janma karma ca me divyam
yo janati tattvatah
tyaktva deham punar janma
naiti mam eti kaunteya
 [Bg. 4.9]

"My dear son of Kunti, Arjuna, if somebody knows actually what are My activities, then simply by knowing what are My activities, he becomes liberated." Just see how Bhagavad-gita and Bhagavata is working. What is said by... This is called parampara system, that the what is spoken in the Bhagavad-gita by the Lord Himself is here also confirmed by Narada. You don't find any contradiction. In the Bhagavad-gita... Just like Krsna says in the Bhagavad-gita, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja [Bg. 18.66]. And what we are saying? That "You give up everything. Just become Krsna conscious." The same thing. Therefore it is for liberation. What was spoken by God Himself directly, the same thing is spoken by Narada, and same thing we are speaking also.

So these are the points how one can spiritually make advance. Urukramasya akhila-bandha-muktaye, samadhina anusmara tad-vicestitam. Tad-vicestitam means "His activities." Krsna also says, janma karma me divyam yo janati tattvatah, tyaktva deham. And Caitanya Mahaprabhu says that yei krsna-tattva-vetta, sei guru haya: [Cc. Madhya 8.128] "Anyone who understands factually what are the activities of Krsna, what is Krsna, he is spiritual master. He is spiritual..." Therefore Vyasadeva... Narada is spiritual master, Vyasadeva is spiritual master, or anyone who knows by following their footprints, he is also spiritual master. Caitanya Mahaprabhu says, yei krsna-tattva-vetta, sei guru haya [Cc. Madhya 8.128]. And one who knows krsna-tattva, he becomes immediately liberated. Because it is said here, akhila-bandha-muktaye, "liberated from all conditions of material nature."

So a spiritual master means one who knows Krsna. And as soon as one knows Krsna, he's liberated. Therefore a spiritual master is liberated. Or a spiritual master or anyone who knows krsna-tattva, he immediately liberated. Akhila-bandha-muktaye. Samadhina, that "This has to be meditated." Anusmara. This another word, anusmara. Anusmara means you don't manufacture your meditation. You try to follow the footprints who have had actually meditated. So then your meditation will be... Not that you manufacture some process of meditation and you get perfection. No, anusmara. And again he says... What is the subject matter of meditation? Tad-vicestitam, the activities of the Lord. So if we simply remember how Krsna is teaching Arjuna, what He is speaking, and how Arjuna is receiving, that is meditation. That is meditation.

Just like Caitanya Mahaprabhu approved one brahmana. He was illiterate. He could not know what is the Sanskrit alphabet or character, what to speak of reading. But when he was initiated, his spiritual master said, "You read daily so many chapters of Bhagavad-gita." The spiritual master knew that he is illiterate. And he also knew that "I am illiterate. I cannot know what is alphabet, Sanskrit." Still, the order of spiritual master, that is... This is discipleship. "All right, my spiritual master, I shall try to read." So how he was reading? He, he took the book, and he was seeing the book, and "Ohhhh," like... That's all. His friends, who knew that this man is illiterate, and what he is reading: "Mr. such-and-such, how you are reading?" Criticizing. He was silent because he knew that "I am illiterate. My friends are criticizing. That's all right. What can I do?"

Then Caitanya Mahaprabhu saw that these things are going on in the Ranganatha temple. But He saw that "This brahmana is very gentle and grave, and he's handling the book. That's all." So He inquired, "My dear brahmana, what you are reading?" He said... He could understand that "He's not criticizing. He's a, mean, a great man." So he said, "Sir, what can I say? My spiritual master asked me to read every day Bhagavad-gita, so many chapters, but I am illiterate. I cannot read. Therefore I have taken the book, simply seeing. That's all. What can I do?" "But I see you are sometimes crying. You must be reading. Otherwise, how you are feeling and you are crying?" "Yes, I am feeling. That's a fact." "How, what is that?" "Now, as soon as I take this book, Bhagavad-gita, the picture of Krsna and Arjuna comes before me. I see that both Krsna and Arjuna are sitting on the chariot, and Krsna is instructing Bhagavad-gita. So I am appreciating how Lord is kind, that He has accepted the charioteer, to become a charioteer of His devotee. He's so kind. So when I feel this, that ‘Krsna is so kind that He become the servant of His servant,' that feeling gives me some ecstasy, and I cry." Caitanya Mahaprabhu immediately embraced him. "Your Bhagavad-gita reading is perfect."

Devotees: Haribol!

Prabhupada: Yes. So this is the thing, tad-vicestitam. He's simply thinking of the activities of Krsna and Arjuna. That's all. That is perfect reading of Bhagavad-gita. It does not require to read Bhagavad-gita by your academic education. If you simply hear from the authoritative source the instruction of Bhagavad-gita, and if you simply meditate upon that speech, that instruction, "Oh, Krsna instructed like this. Arjuna received like this. He questioned like this. He answered like this," that is meditation, perfect meditation, and you become liberated. Tad-vicestitam. It is not very difficult job. Simply you have to receive. Therefore satya-sravah, suci-sravah. Suci-sravah. You have to hear from the pure source, give aural reception, and think of it, meditate upon it. Simply by doing this, you are liberated. These are not bluff. Here is the evidence. Simply receive the message from the right source and contemplate and meditate upon that instruction. You are liberated. Chanting and hearing. Hearing and... sravanam kirtanam. First hearing, then chanting. Hear from the right source and discuss amongst yourselves. Istagosthi. Then the perfection.

So samadhina anusmara tad-vicestitam, suci, suddhya, srava, yasa, satye ratah dhrtani ghrtani yasya bhavan, evam maha-gunas tavad atha urukramasya vidhitam cestitam lila samadhina citta, cittaika, aikagrena.(?) This samadhi. Samadhi does not mean something artificial. Here Sridhara Swami says, citta aikagrena. Citta means your mind, or heart, completely absorbed in Krsna thought. That means Krsna consciousness. That is samadhi. Citta aikagrena. Ekagra,(?) without diverting your heart and mind to any other business, if you simply be engaged twenty-four hours in Krsna's activities, that is samadhi. That is samadhi. So by yoga process, one has to come to this platform of samadhi. That is the perfection of yoga. And this Krsna consciousness is directly that stage. Therefore it is the perfect yoga system. One has to come to that stage, samadhi. And samadhi means without any diversion, you have to think always of Krsna. So even a... Just like this man, this brahmana. He was simply... He was illiterate. He did not know what is Bhagavad-gita's character, what is written there. But there is samadhi. He was thinking of "Krsna and Arjuna, Krsna and Arjuna, how they are talking, how they are sitting, how the chariot is going, how Krsna is nice." This is thinking. That is samadhi. Samadhi is not an artificial thing, by pressing your nose, or this or... That is... These things are recommended for the third-class men who cannot concentrate his mind in Krsna, for the fourth-class, third-class men. It is not for the first-class man. A first-class man is automatically Krsna conscious.

So these things are to be studied very minutely and understood, and then the things are very easy. Sravanam kirtanam visnoh smaranam pada-sevanam [SB 7.5.23]. Now, the samadhi, samadhina. Sridhara... We have to take the comments of authorities, that here you see samadhina citta aikagrena. Actually, that is samadhi. Now, these sitting posture, these breathing exercise, controlling the senses and mind -- everything means that you have to make your mind so nice that it will never deviate from Krsna. So these are different types of exercise. Just like by exercise you can make your circulation of the blood nicely, you keep yourself healthy, similarly, the all these yogic process means to come to the stage of samadhi. Samadhi. And that is said also in the authoritative yogic literature. But what is that samadhi? Samadhi means not to deviate. The mind should always be absorbed in Krsna thought without any deviation.

So anyone who is chanting Hare Krsna, he is in samadhi. Anyone who is cooking for Krsna, he is in samadhi. Anyones who is typing for Krsna, he is in samadhi. Anyone who is working in the field for Krsna, he is in samadhi. Because his consciousness is that "I am doing here for satisfaction of Krsna." Anukulyena krsnanusilanam. Anusilanam, cultivation of Krsna knowledge favorably, not unfavorably. Then it is perfection. Bhaktir uttama. Anukulyena. Anyabhilasita-sunyam [BRS 1.1.11]. When you cook, if you think, "Oh, this nice thing is being cooked. I shall eat it very nicely," then it is not Krsna. But while cooking, if you think, "Let me do it very nicely so that Krsna will taste it," it is Krsna consciousness. The same thing. Activities is the same, but the consciousness is different. That is samadhi.

So samadhi is not very extraordinary thing. One has to become simply serious and sincere to Krsna. Then he is in samadhi. That is confirmed in the Bhagavad-gita:

yoginam api sarvesam
sraddhavan bhajate yo mam
sa me yuktatamo matah
 [Bg. 6.47]

"Anyone who is always thinking of Me within his heart and he's engaged in My service, he's first-class yogi." So any person who is engaged in Krsna consciousness, who's acting simply for Krsna twenty-four hours, he's in samadhi. Samadhina tad, anusmara tad-vicestitam. Anusmara: "That meditation should not be manufactured by you, but under the direction of the representative of Krsna." Therefore it is called anusmara.

Cittaga..., akhilasya bandhasya muktaye. Then again, Sridhara Svami says that "This process is for giving liberation from all kinds of material bondage." Akhilasya bandhasya muktaye tam anusmara smrtya varnayata.(?) And again Sridhara Svami gives note herewith that "Not only you meditate, but you preach. That will help your meditation." Just like I am speaking to you. I am meditating simultaneously. Unless I remember, how can I speak to you? Unless my attention is concentrated without any diversion in Krsna subject matter, how can I speak to you? So that is also samadhi. Don't think that one who is simply sitting, he is in samadhi. One who is preaching, he's also in samadhi, because he's thinking of Krsna. Otherwise, how he can talk of Krsna if he does not think of Krsna? Sridhara Swami gives... Tam anusmara smrtya varnayata. Varnayata means "Describe also, preach." Ity artha. Etac ca vakhyantaram iti madhyama-purusa-prayogah.(?)

So this preaching, sravanam kirtanam, simply hearing of Krsna and chanting of Krsna, preaching of Krsna, is samadhi. And this will make one liberated, akhila-bandha-muktaye, from all kinds of bondage, material bondage.

Thank you very much. [break]

...liberation, oh, she is canvassing me, "Will you kindly take my service?" Muktih mukulitanjali sevate asman: "We are devotees of Krsna. Oh, mukti is standing on my door and just trying to, begging, ‘May I serve you? May I serve you? What can I do for you? What can I do for you?" Muktih mukulitanjali means the folded hand. Mukti is serving us always in folded hands. We are not very much anxious for mukti, or liberation. Liberation is at our door. That means Krsna... A bhakta, Krsna devotee, Krsna consciousness, is already liberated. Liberated is very... Just like if a person is M.A., that means he has already passed all other examinations. Muktih mukulitanjali... This Krsna consciousness is so nice. Try to understand and preach. Just like Sridhara Maharaja: varnaya, smrtya varnaya ity aratah. Don't simply be satisfied that you are simply thinking, but try to preach. That will make your life sublime. (end)
Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.5.13 -- New Vrindaban, June 13, 1969


tato 'nyatha kincana yad vivaksatah
prthag drsas tat-krta-rupa-namabhih
na karhicit kvapi ca duhsthita matir
labheta vatahata-naur ivaspadam

Now we are discussing instruction of Narada to his disciple, Vyasadeva. Such a learned scholar, Vyasadeva. He's known as Vedavyasa, the authority on all Vedic literature. And he's supposed to be incarnation of Narayana, exalted position. Still, he requires the instruction of a spiritual master. That is the way of Vedic way. Avaroha-pantha, aroha-pantha. Aroha-pantha means inductive process. To know from here, from the lower status to the higher status, speculative method, or ascending process. And avaroha-pantha is deductive process, getting knowledge from higher authorities. So our Vedic understanding is to receive knowledge from the authorities. That is perfect knowledge.

So there are three kinds of processes to receive knowledge: pratyaksa, aitihya and sabda. Pratyaksa means by direct perception, experimental knowledge. And aitihya, or anumana. Anumana, hypothesis, "It may be like this," "Perhaps like this." Just like modern scientists say, "Perhaps it is like this." That is called anumana, hypothesis. And another process is sabda-pramana. Sruti-pramana. Sabda means sound vibration, and sruti means aural reception. So out of three processes, the sabda-pramana, or receiving vibration, sound vibration from authorities by aural reception, that is considered to be the perfect.

So Narada Muni says... Before this, Narada Muni has advised Vyasadeva that "In order to release all these conditioned souls, you just describe the wonderful activities of the Supreme Personality of Godhead." Simply by hearing... Uttama-slokasya gunanuvadat. Uttama-sloka. Uttama-sloka means the Supreme Lord who is described by transcendental literature or very fine, scholarly language. He's called Uttama-sloka. Uttama-slokasya urukramasya. "That will save all conditioned souls from being implicated in the clutches of maya." Now, Vyasadeva has already described... He has made many puranas, eighteen puranas. So there is mention of God's activities. Just like in Mahabharata he has put this Bhagavad-gita. So Narada Muni says that prthag drsas tat-krta-rupa-namabhih, tato 'nyatha kincana yad vivaksatah: "If you do not exceptionally, exclusively describe simply the pastimes of the uncommon activities of the Lord, the other way, as you have given as a sidelight, as you have described Bhagavad-gita, the activities of Krsna as a sideline, not..." Actually, the whole Mahabharata is full of activities of Krsna, but Krsna is only a scene in the Mahabharata. He's speaking in the Battlefield of Kuruksetra. So Narada Muni says, "That sort of description will not be very much congenial, because the people are not steady. Their anxiety... Their mind is disturbed in so many ways exactly like a boat moving in the tossing of the waves of the sea. So this sort of understanding of God will not give them much benefit. You describe completely on the pastimes, on the activities of the Supreme Lord. That will give people release from these material clutches."

So the next verse says... Vyasadeva may say that "Sir, I have already compiled so many books, eighteen puranas, Mahabharata, even Vedanta-sutra. So are they not sufficient literature to revive Krsna consciousness?" So in reply to that, Narada says,

jugupsitam dharma-krte 'nusasatah
sva-bhava-raktasya mahan vyatikramah

Sva-bhava-raktasya mahan vyatikramah. Sva-bhava-raktasya means by nature. Just like Vedic scripture says, "By nature every living entity has a propensity for sex life, for intoxication." Loke vyavayamisa-madya-seva nitya hi jantoh. Jantoh means living entities. Nitya. So long he is in contact with this material world, he has got a natural propensity for sex life and intoxication. Vyavaya means sex life, and amisa means meat-eating. Amisa, meat-eating. Sex life, meat-eating, and madya-seva. Madya-seva means intoxication, drinking liquor. It is not unnatural. To drink wine or liquor or to eat meat and to have free sex life, that is the desire of all conditioned souls. Therefore, sva-bhava-raktasya, "by nature." Nobody is taught in the educational institution how to drink, or how to eat meat or how to enjoy sex life. Natural. That is natural. Sva-bhava-raktasya. "And if these things you describe as dharma, as religious principles, then they are doomed."

Just like a man is addicted to commit theft. He has got a habit of stealing. And if I say, "Stealing is very nice art. You can go on with you, with it," then where is the reformation? There is no question of... He, he's already addicted. So it is encouragement. So similarly, in the dharma-sastra... Just like in Mahabharata there is... (aside:) Where is that "cut cut" noise? Don't make that sound. Just like in marriage ceremony. Marriage ceremony... Of course, in your country, the marriage ceremony is different. In India still, the people spend as much as possible in the marriage ceremony, millions of dollars. If one man is rich, he'll spend for his son's marriage or daughter's marriage. That is a great credit. "Oh, this man is very rich man. He's spending so much money." So there are so many religious performances, ritualistic performances. You have to spend money. So you must find out so many performances. So they have all these in the sastras.

So Narada Muni says that "What is this, marriage ceremony? The marriage ceremony is to allow the boy and the girl for legitimate sex life. That's all. So that propensity he has already got. And what is the use of making such propaganda and spending so much money?" Very practical proposition. But in the sastras there are. Similarly, drinking or meat-eating. According to Vedic sastra, meat-eating is not allowed by purchasing from the slaughterhouse. No. They... There is motive. The marriage ceremony or the meat-eating, the so much ritualistic performances, there is motive. What is that motive? Motive is restriction. Just like the same example, marriage: the real idea is to restrict the boy and the girl to one woman and one man. That is the idea, main idea. If he's not married, then he will be just like cats and dogs. So idea is very good. But Narada Muni says, "After all, you're coming to the point of sex life. So why so much propaganda?" Similarly, for meat-eating, there is also sanction in the sastras, tamasika-sastra, not sattvika. There are three divisions of sastra -- sattvika, rajasika and tamasika. Those who are meat-eaters, cannot give up meat-eating, for them, the prescription is, "All right, you can eat meat, but you have to sacrifice one goat, but not cow." The... For sacrifice the animal is recommended: goat. So you can, I mean to say, cut throat of a goat in the presence of goddess Kali and you can eat. There are so many prescriptions. But that is also restriction, that Kali-worship is one day in a month, on the dark moon day. What is called, dark moon? Amavasya. Full moon and...? Eh? No, no, no. When there is... On that particular..., there is no moon in the sky.

Hayagriva(?): The dark of the moon.

Prabhupada: It is called dark moon, yes. So that Kali-puja is recommended on the dark moon day. The... That is one day in a month. Similarly, according to marriage life, the sex life is also allowed one day in a month. The whole thing is restriction. Similarly, drinking wine also, there is Devi-puja. That is also once in a year or something like that. The whole point is restriction. But after all, this is drinking and mating and meat-eating.

So Narada Muni says that "You have described these things for which a man has got natural propensity in a religious form. So it is jugupsitam. This is most abominable." Just see. Even the restricted system of marriage, drinking and meat-eating, described in the sastra, that is also condemned by Narada. Jugupsitam. Jugupsitam dharma-krte 'nusasatah: "You are the leader of the sastras. You are writing sastras. People will follow you." Just like in Vedic, Vedas, there is recommendation of sacri..., in the sacrifice, animal-killing, but that animal-killing is not killing. This... There was a discussion between Lord Caitanya and Chand Kazi, the Muhammadan magistrate. That story perhaps you know, that He started civil disobedience movement. And the brahmanas of Navadvipa, they complained to the Muhammadan ma... At that time, Bengal was being governed by Pathans, Muhammadans, and so there was Muhammadan magistrate called Kazi Saheb. So the brahmanas, they lodged complaint to the Kazi Saheb that "This boy, Nimai Pandita, He has started one movement, Hare Krsna, and people are being enthused, excited to chant this Hare Krsna mantra, and He is making propaganda that "Simply by chanting Hare Krsna, you'll get all perfection." So the brahmanas thought that "If this boy makes propaganda and popularize this Hare Krsna movement, then, oh, what about ourself?" They were priestly class. "Then how we will live?" So they lodged complaint to the Chand Kazi that "He's doing something against our Vedic rituals. It is not Hindu religion. And..." Of course, he was Muhammadan magistrate, but after all, he was meant for giving justice to the people. So when big brahmanas complained, he took action and he sent some constables to warn the followers of Lord Caitanya that "You are disturbing. You are disturbing, this Hare Krsna chanting. You cannot do this. There is complaint."

So Caitanya Mahaprabhu was informed that "The Chand Kazi has warned us not to chant Hare Krsna. What shall we do?" Caitanya Mahaprabhu said, "Don't care. Go on chanting. Go on chanting." So then, when the magistrate saw that they have not stopped, then he sent some constables and government police force, who broke their mrdangas and dispersed the crowd. So this information was given to Caitanya Mahaprabhu, and He said, "All right, then we shall, I mean to say, issue this civil disobedience." So He called for many thousands of people. He was very popular. This incidence shows that even He was at that time sixteen-years-old boy, He was so learned, Nimai Pandita, that He defeated a great scholar, and at the same time, He was very popular because by His simple calling, many hundred thousands of people gathered with mrdangas, and they began kirtana in the street and went to the house of that Kazi.

So at that time Kazi thought that "This is a mass movement. So my order will not be... There will be some disturbance." So he came to his senses. Then he wanted to make some compromise with Caitanya Mahaprabhu. And first of all there was some discussion, because he was also very learned scholar, Chand Kazi, and Caitanya Mahaprabhu was also very learned scholar. So first of all he compromised, Chand Kazi, "Nimai, You are a boy, and in our village relationship You are just my nephew because Your grandfather, Your mother's father, I call him ‘Caca.' " Caca means uncle. "So, in that sense, Your mother is my sister. So You are my nephew. Why You are so angry upon Your uncle?" So He said, "Yes, My dear uncle, I have come My uncle's house to be received very nicely, but you went upstairs. Why? I am very glad that you have come down." In this way, the things were... Then He first of all asked Chand Kazi, "Yes, My dear uncle..." He was maternal uncle, mamu... Mamu or mama. Mama means maternal uncle. "My dear mama, Uncle, what is your religion, that you eat your father and mother?" That was His challenge, first. "What sort of religion you have got?" He said, "What You say? We eat our father...?" "Yes, because you eat cow. So cow gives you milk. She's your mother. You drink milk and kill your mother. And the bull, she (he) helps you in agricultural..., producing grains just like father gives you grains to eat. So you are killing your father and mother. How is that?"

So Chand Kazi was also very learned scholar. He said, "Well, this cow-killing is also recommended in Your Vedas, because there is cow sacrifice." So Caitanya Mahaprabhu replied... Now, we should know it that the animal sacrifice, according to the Vedic scripture, that is not killing. That is explained by Caitanya Mahaprabhu. He said that "In the previous time, this cow sacrifice was actually being done. That's all right. But that was not for killing. That -- to give the cow, the old cow or bull, a new life. By the power of mantra, just to give evidence of the Vedic mantras, the brahmanas would sacrifice a cow, old cow or old bull, in the fire and give, give him, again, new life. That was... No, in this age, there is no such powerful brahmana who can chant the mantras rightly and give again rejuvenation, another new life. It is not possible. Therefore in the sastras, these sort of sacrifices are forbidden."

asvamedham gavalambham
sannyasam pala-paitrkam
devarena sutotpattim
kalau panca vivarjayet
 [Cc. Adi 17.164]

So there was nice discussion, and the compromise was that "No more Your sankirtana movement will be checked by my men."

So the point is that although in the Vedic scripture there is recommendation that animal sacrifice allowed, but that is not meant for killing. That is giving a new life. So when this animal sacrifice was going on simply for eating, simply for eating... Just like in a particular mission they say that "We are devotees of goddess Kali." Their real mission is to eat meat. Therefore they have become devotees of goddess Kali. But actually, these sacrifices were not meant, as explained by Caitanya Mahaprabhu, for killing the animals. That was to test the power, the strength, of the Vedic mantras. So Lord Buddha's movement was therefore started... When people began to eat meat like anything on the plea of Vedic sacrifice, so Lord Buddha, at that time -- Lord Buddha means he's also incarnation of Krsna -- he appeared to stop this animal killing. That is the prayer of Lord Buddha we sing:

nindasi yajna-vidher ahaha sruti-jatam
sadaya-hrdaya darsita-pasu-ghatam
kesava dhrta-buddha-sarira jaya jagadisa hare

The buddha-sarira... We offer prayer to Nrsimhadeva,

tava kara-kamala-vare nakham adbhuta-srngam
kesava dhrta-narahari-rupa jaya jagadisa hare

Similarly, there is prayer for Lord Buddha also. The, that prayer is: nindasi yajna-vidher ahaha sruti-jatam, "Although in the Vedic literature there is recommendation for animal sacrifice, you are forbidding, ‘No, this should not be done.' " Therefore Buddhism is not Vedic religion, because he was against this Vedic sacrifice. Sadaya-hrdaya darsi... His main business was to stop this animal killing, but people wanted to give evidence from the Vedas. Therefore he said, "I don't care for your Vedas." Veda na maniya bauddha haila nastika. Therefore Sankaracarya came, and he drove away the Buddhists from the land of India. That's a long history.

So this sacrifice, this animal killing, that is also forbidding, that... Narada Muni said that "Why you have bothered your head in that, that way, that you have made this, this is a type of religion?" Jugupsitam: "This is abominable." Jugupsitam dharma-krte 'nusasatah: "You are authority, and if you recommend animal sacrifice, they will take it. They have got already natural tendency, and they will accept it, ‘This is the religious process.' And when they will be forbidden by other, saner persons, they'll not care for it. So it is jugupsitam. It is abominable." Jugupsitam dharma-krte 'nusasatah sva-bhava-raktasya mahan vyatikramah: "It's a great mistake you have done." Yad-vakyato dharma ititarah sthitah: "They'll accept you authority, and they'll be steady in that assertion, in that conviction." And na manyate tasya nivaranam: "And if you say..." Just like in other religious principles, if we say that "Don't eat meat..." I had some conversation with some Christian priests. They put forward this argument, "Why should we not eat? Our Christ took flesh. And why should we not? We must do it." They say like that. But Christ said that "You should... You shall not kill." So they cannot give any proper explanation why they kill. So in every religion... In Muhammadan religion, there...

So if, if this killing process or this drinking process, or this, which a man has got natural, that is excited under the name of religion, then Narada says, "Then when actually they will be forbidden for higher elevation of life, they'll not accept it. Therefore your description in the sastras of all these nonsense, jugupsitam, is abominable." Jugupsitam dharma-krte 'nusasatah sva-bhava-rakta... "The natural tendency, this. You should not incite them more and more." Here it is said that patrka viruddham eva. It is against... Jatam ita jugupsitam. Jugupsitam nindam kama karmadi(?). Jugupsitam. Sridhara Svami gives note, nindam: abominable; kama karma... Kama karma means that fruitive result. You do, act something, and you want to enjoy the fruit. That is called kama karma. Karma, akarma, vikarma. There are three kinds of activities. First karma is prescribed duties. And akarma means to do act, but the result is not enjoyable by you. And there is vikarma. Vikarma means doing against. So this kama karma. People are engaged in ritualistic ceremony for receiving some result for sense gratification. That is nindam. That is abominable. Nindam.

 Sva-bhavata eva raktasya ragina purusasya dharma-krte, dharmartham anusasas tatah mahan vyatikramah(?): "So this is not good for you. It is most abominable." Kutah iti utah yasyeti vakyatah ayam mukhya dharma: "Because they will accept you as authority, and they will think this is religion." They will not make further progress. They will stick to that principle. So therefore it is abominable. Yatasya kama karmadi anyayena tattva-jnanena kriyamanaya(?). Tattva-jnanena. When they'll be advised higher truth... Just like those who are addicted to killing process under the shadow of religious rights, if they are said that "You don't kill. This is not good. After all, this living entity is as good as you are. As you are also part and parcel of Krsna, or God, similarly, this cow, or this animal, is also part and parcel of the Supreme Lord, but he has got a different dress only. That does not mean that you should kill..." If these things are instructed for higher elevation of life, they will not accept. They will not accept. They will say, "Oh, my religion says this. So I must do it."

Tasya nivaranam janah. Raktasya karma nivaram nivaranam samatam etad na manyate kintu pravrtti margam anuviyukta vesan tada vidhi kalpa vidhi(?): "Because he has got already natural tendency. And if he is, there is sanction by religiosity, ritualistic, religious process, then he will stick to it. So you have not done very nice work." That is... Na manyate tasya nivaranam janah. Vicaksano 'syarhati veditum vibhor ananta-parasya nivrttitah sukham: "Because actually, if anyone wants real happiness, that happiness is not by gratifying your senses." In the Bhagavad-gita also it is said that sukham atyantikam yat tad atindriya-grahyam. Real happiness, that is not perceived by this gratification of these material senses. So nivrttitah. One has to cease from this material sense gratification, and then he can enjoy the real happiness, which is transcendental to sense enjoyment. That is... That is the instruction.

In the, in the Padma Purana also there is a verse, ramante yogino 'nante: "Those who are yogis..." Yogi means transcendentalist, not the so-called yogi. Those who have contacted the Absolute Truth, they are called yogis. So yoginah, actually a yogi, ramante, they enjoy. They also enjoy. Why they are, I mean to say, undergoing so much austerities and penances and regulative principles? Because they are trying for being elevated to the real platform of happiness. So ramante yogino 'nante. Everyone is hankering after happiness, either materialistic or spiritualistic, but the difference is that materialistic, materialistic persons, they are satisfied with temporary happiness, and those who are transcendentalists, they are also seeking happiness. That is real happiness, spiritual happiness, eternal happiness. So therefore it is stated in the Padma Purana that ramante yogino 'nante. Anante means unlimited happiness. They enjoy unlimited happiness. Ramante yogino 'nante. And satyanande. And that is real happiness. Happiness does not mean it is for few minutes. No. Happiness should continue, eternally. One should be situated in that happiness so that other, temporary happiness will not attract him.

So ramante yogino 'nante satyanande cid-atmani. Cit, cit means that he's full of knowledge. That is not in ignorance. This material happiness is in ignorance. And spiritual happiness is suddha-sattva. Suddha-sattva means pure goodness. In the material world there are three stages: ignorance, passion and goodness. The goodness platform is very nice in the material world, but there is another platform, which is called suddha-sattva. Sattvam visuddham, visuddham vasudeva-sabditam. That is transcendental platform, and in that platform you can understand God. God is Vasudeva, and in the vasudeva platform... So ramante yogino 'nante satyanande cid-atmani. That is cid-atmani. Cit means knowledge; atmani means self. In that platform. Iti rama-padenasau param brahmabhidhiyate. This is the description, this is the meaning of the word rama. Rama, this word, comes from ramante, ram. Ram-dhatu. Ram means enjoyment. And rama means the full of pleasure. If you contact with Rama, or Krsna, the absolute attractive, then you are placed in the absolute platform for eternal enjoyment.

Enjoyment is the goal of everyone's life. But the difference is that the materialist is trying to hanker after flickering enjoyment, and the transcendentalists, they are hankering after the spiritual enjoyment, or eternal enjoyment. Enjoyment... Anandamayo 'bhyasat. Because enjoyment is our life. We cannot be void. That is not possible. Therefore the impersonalists, about impersonalists, this Bhagavata version is that although they rise up almost to the spiritual platform, but because they cannot enjoy... Impersonalists means there is no enjoyment. There is simply light, a life of knowledge. But simply knowledge will not make me happy. I must enjoyment. I must have enjoyment. Anandamayo 'bhyasat, because my nature is to enjoy. That enjoyment cannot be done in the impersonal or void philosophy. That is not possible. Therefore Bhagavata says, ye 'nye 'ravindaksa vimukta-maninah: "If somebody thinks that he has become liberated after undergoing the process of impersonal philosophy and austerities and penances..." The impersonalists, they also practice severe penances to attain to that Brahman stage. That is also nice thing. But they cannot stay there, because there is no enjoyment.

Therefore, as I was saying the other day, that many sannyasis, they say that "This world is false; Brahman is truth." So in spite of their rising to that platform of Brahman understanding, they again come down. That is described in the Bhagavatam, aruhya krcchrena param padam tatah: [SB 10.2.32] "After undergoing severe penances and austerities, they may rise to the Brahman platform but again falls down." Why falls down? Anadrta-yusmad-anghrayah: "Because they do not enjoy Your association." They have neglected the association of Krsna and company. Therefore they have no, I mean to say, shelter. The same example can be explained: just like if you go on a plane or sputnik very high, very high, it is void, all side void. If you go very high, 25,000 miles, you'll see void. But that, there you cannot stay. You can travel for many years in that void, but if you don't take shelter in a planet, then you'll come back again to this planet. Similarly, the impersonalists, they cannot stay in their impersonal understanding. Simply they suffer some trouble. Klesa... Bhagavad-gita says, kleso 'dhikataras tesam avyaktasakta-cetasam [Bg. 12.5]. Those who are attached, those who are attached to that impersonal feature of the Absolute Truth, they undergo greater trouble. We transcendentalists, we personalists, we also, from the materialistic point, we are... Our standard of living is not very opulent. We lie down anywhere. We are... Our dresses are not so clean. Our rooms are not clean. From the materialistic point of view, somebody comes. He says, "Oh. How wretched these people are living!" That is also another kind of austerity. They have adopted. But that is pleasing. Even they are in so-called wretched condition, they are happy. They are happy. So they're in both ways. But those who are simply attached to the impersonal feature, their trouble is more painful. That is described in the Bhagavad-gita.

So vicaksano 'syarhati veditum vibhoh. So one has to cease. One has to make a stop of this material enjoyment. Then one can approach to the spiritual enjoyment. You cannot enjoy spiritual life if you stick to the materialistic way of... Therefore we have got so..., a little restriction, that "You cannot do this." Although those who are addicted to this life, this restriction is sometimes painful, but it is required. Unless... Just like to cure your disease, you have to follow some regulative principle prescribed by the physician, similarly, in order to cure yourself from this material disease, you have to accept. Nivrttitah. Nivrttitah means ceasing this process of material life. Nivrttitah sukham, pravartamanasya gunair anatmanas tato bhavan darsaya cestitam vibhoh.

So how it can be achieved, nivrtti, ceasing this materialistic way of life? So Narada Muni says that "You simply describe the activities of the Lord, Krsna, and by hearing simply the activities of Krsna, one will be very easily able to cease from this materialistic way of life." Caitanya Mahaprabhu also recommended that people should be given chance to hear Srimad-Bhagavatam or krsna-katha. Krsna-katha means speaking or, I mean to say, narration about Krsna. So Bhagavad-gita and Srimad-Bhagavatam. Caitanya Mahaprabhu also recommended that "Let them be situated in their own position. There is no necessity of changing his position. Give him chance. Give him chance to hear. Then gradually..." Param vijayate sri-krsna-sankirtanam.

So our attempt is... We are opening so many branches. The idea is that people should get chance of hearing about the Supreme Lord, either by chanting this maha-mantra or... This is also chanting. What I am speaking before you from Srimad-Bhagavatam or Bhagavad-gita, that is also chanting. This is also kirtana. Kirtana means describing. So you can describe the glories of the Lord either by musical instruments or by chant, singing, or you can describe the glories of the Lord by reading from authoritative scripture. Both of them are called kirtana. This, this Bhagavata reading is also described as kirtana by Sukadeva Gosvami. Abhavad vaiyasakih kirtane. Kirtane. It is called kirtana. Sravanam kirtanam. The process is sravana and kirtana, hearing and chanting. So Pariksit Maharaja, he attained salvation and perfection simply by hearing. And Sukadeva Gosvami attained salvation and perfection simply by chanting. This chanting means describing the glories of the Lord from Srimad-Bhagavatam.

So he says, pravartamanasya gunair anatmanas tato bhavan darsaya cestitam: "People are so much entangled by the modes of material nature. So in order to get them free from this entanglement, you show the path. Simply let them hear. Let them give aural reception to the wonderful activities of the Lord. That activity..." Because absolute... Krsna is Absolute Truth. So Krsna and Krsna's activities are the same because it is absolute. It is not duality. In the material world, myself and my activities are different. But it is the... This world is dual world. But in the absolute world, Krsna and Krsna's pastimes, Krsna and Krsna's name, Krsna and Krsna's quality, Krsna and Krsna's fame, they're all Krsna. Krsna and Krsna's associates, they're all Krsna. Krsna is cowherd boy. So Krsna and the cows, they're all Krsna. That we have to learn. They're not different from Krsna. Krsna and the gopis, they're all Krsna. Ananda-cinmaya-rasa-pratibhavitabhih. So we have to understand that.

So any way, if we try to associate, simply by chanting or hearing, that means we are associating with Krsna. And the more we associate with Krsna, the more we become purified. Just like more you remain with the fire, you become warmer, warmer, warmer. And one day you become so warm you exactly like fire. The example I have given that if you put an iron rod in the fire, it becomes warm, warmer, warmest, and then it becomes red. And when it is red, it is no longer iron. It is fire. Similarly, simply by chanting and hearing you spiritualize yourself. So a day will come when this material body also will be fully spiritualized. The... That fully spiritualized means there will be no more material activities; simply these spiritual activities will be there.

So Narada Muni is instructing Vyasadeva, and we shall discuss next meeting. Thank you very much. (end)
Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.5.14 -- New Vrindaban, June 18, 1969
Prabhupada: not our Vaisnava. If you say, you have to say this also. Yes.

Kirtanananda: Whole thing?

Prabhupada: Yes. Otherwise keep everything.

om ajnana-timirandhasya jnananjana-salakaya
caksur unmilitam yena tasmai sri-gurave-namah

sri-caitanya-mano-'bhistam sthapitam yena bhu-tale
svayam rupah kada mahyam dadati sva-padantikam

vande 'ham sri-guroh sri-yuta-pada-kamalam sri-gurun vaisnavams ca
sri-rupam sagrajatam saha-gana-raghunathanvitam tam sa-jivam

sadvaitam savadhutam parijana-sahitam krsna-caitanya-devam
sri-radha-krsna-padan saha-gana-lalita-sri-visakhanvitams ca

he krsna karuna-sindho dina-bandho jagat-pate
gopesa gopika-kanta radha-kanta namo 'stu te

tapta-kancana-gaurangi radhe vrndavanesvari
vrsabhanu-sute devi pranamami hari-priye

hare krsna hare krsna krsna krsna hare hare
hare rama hare rama rama rama hare hare

(aside:) So you keep there. You can keep here. It is open? Yes.

jugupsitam dharma-krte 'nusasatah
svabhava-raktasya mahan vyatikramah

So in our last meeting we have been discussing that sastras, scriptures, if they simply deal with material activities... Of course, material activities should be regulated to come to the spiritual platform. But if we do not come to the spiritual platform, simply some regulative principle on the material platform will not help us.

Religiosity means to prepare the ground, prepare the ground for being elevated to the spiritual platform. Just like it is said,

dharmah svanusthitah pumsam
visvaksena-kathasu yah
notpadayed yadi ratim
srama eva hi kevalam
 [SB 1.2.8]

Dharma, religious faith -- everything is very punctual. One is going punctually to the church or to the temple and executing all ritualistic ceremonies very rigidly, following the rules and regulations. But at the end if he has not developed love for God, then, Bhagavata says, srama eva hi kevalam: "This is simply laboring, formalities." Caste priest, caste gosvami, caste spiritual master -- simply a formality. But the objective is not Krsna. Objective is material happiness. That sort of religiosity or following the regulative principle will not help.

So Vyasadeva says, jugupsitam: "This is abominable, because if you simply stick to that principle... You are authority. People will understand that this is religion, nothing more." Na manyate tasya nivaranam janah, yad-vakyatah. Nanu yad pravrtti-marga nindate 'tha nivrtti-marge sarva-kriya-tyagena paramesvara-sukhasya rupe anubhuteh kim tad yasah-kathanenapi tatraha vicaksanaiti, vicaksana ati-nipunah kascid eva nivrttitah sarva-kriya-nivrttya, asya bibhah sukham nirvikalpaka-sukhatmakam svarupam veditum jnatum arhati.(?) One may be very expert in the matter of executing religious performances, but that does not mean he can be elevated to the spiritual platform.

vicaksano 'syarhati veditum vibhor
ananta-parasya nivrttitah sukham
pravartamanasya gunair anatmanas
tato bhavan darsaya cestitam vibhoh

This may be little helpful to rise to the spiritual platform, but unless one is actually engaged in the service of the Lord, it cannot be achieved perfectly.

Then Vyasadeva says, Narada Muni says, tatah karunarthe vibhu anatmanah deha-vimana athaiva gunaih satyadibhih pravartamanasya gunair janasya darsaya bhavan iti.(?) "Therefore you write literature in such a way that people will become attracted to Krsna, or the Supreme Lord." Simply official understanding of Krsna -- "God is great" or "Krsna is all-powerful" -- but my attention is only how to improve any material condition... So this picture was given in our Back to Godhead. Perhaps you all remember that a bridegroom party was to go to the bride's home. In India the marriage party, bridegroom party, the bride, his father, his relatives, go with the bride, bridegroom, to the bride's home, and the marriage ceremony takes place there in the presence of all kinds of relatives. That is the system. So the marriage was to take place in a different village some miles away, and in Bengal the land is full of rivers. The rivers are considered to be high roads. So it was settled that the bridegroom's party will start in the evening before the marriage day and reach there in the morning and rest whole day, and in the evening the marriage will take place.

So they got up in a boat, and the boat was started and the, all the members of the bridegroom's party, the, they fell asleep. It was on the river. The breeze was very pleasing. And next morning when they arose, they saw they were standing on the same place. Then they were surprised, "How is that?" The boatman was asked, "How is that, we are in the same place? We have not proceeded even a few yards. How is that?" The boatman said that "We were plying the whole night. We do not know how it happened." Then one boatman found out that the anchor was not taken out. The anchor was fixed up, and the whole night they were plying meant the boat was round about the anchor only, moving, and it was... It did not go a step forward.

Similarly, if our anchor, that we want this material happiness, for which we worship God, we may go to the temple, go to the church, offer our respect... Arto artharthi. That is accepted as good. But one has to go far above that position. That means if one, being distressed, approaches Krsna, that "My Lord, I am in distress. Please help me," the qualification is good in this sense, that he, somehow or other, he has approached God. But his motive is not pure. His motive is material enjoyment. So Vyasadeva says, "This kind of instruction in your book will not help people to come to the standard of pure devotional service, which can save him from all material bondage." That is the whole purport. Then what is to be done? The same thing, as Krsna advises, that sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja [Bg. 18.66]. You haven't got to do anything. Simply be engaged in Krsna consciousness.

So here, of course, I am very pleased that the boys and girls who have come to me, they have immediately taken to Krsna. But India, although the Bhagavad-gita is the scripture of Hindus and the Indians, still, they are not so easy to accept Krsna consciousness. Because their brain is puzzled. Somebody says that "You worship goddess Kali." Somebody says that "You worship Lord Siva." Somebody says, "You worship Brahma." So mostly, in temples, in, I mean to say, temples which are meant for earning some money, they have got all kinds of deities. In one place there is Lord Siva, one place there is Goddess Kali, one place there is Ramacandra, one place is... Just like store, store. You go to a store, and you'll find all kinds of goods are ready there. Whatever goods you want, you pay price and take. So that is another business, that "Whomever you may love, please come to my temple, pay something, and you see. Your God is there." You see? So... And there are some missionary activities also. They say that "Whatever God you may worship, it is the same."

But our Vaisnava philosophy does not say that. Vaisnava philosophy says, "God is one." Not in... Vaisnava philosophy, you do not think that it is a sectarian. This is based on Vedic conclusion. In the Rg Veda also it is said, "God is one." Tad visnoh. Visnu is paramam padam. He is Supreme. Vedas does not say that Brahma is supreme, or Lord Siva is the supreme, or Goddess Kali is supreme. No. Tad visnoh paramam... This is Rg Veda mantra. And so far Bhagavad-gita is concerned, it is clearly said there by Krsna. He says, "I am the Supreme. Nobody's greater than Me." We find in Brahma-samhita also the same thing, isvarah paramah krsnah [Bs. 5.1]. So actually in the Vedas the Supreme Lord is accepted -- Visnu, or Narayana, or Krsna, different names of visnu-tattva. Even Sankaracarya, he also accepts, narayanah parah: "Narayana is the Supreme, Narayana."

So God is one, but there are different kinds of demigods. That is also a fact. They are accepted as different parts and parcels of God, as we are also. The demigods are also living entities. They are not visnu-tattva. There are visnu-tattva, jiva-tattva and sakti-tattva. Visnu-tattva is the Supreme Absolute Truth, jiva-tattva is part and parcel, and sakti-tattva is the energy of God. So the demigods... You can become a demigod. You can become. If you follow the process how to become, then you become one day the demigod in the sun planet. It is not difficult. You can become one day even Lord Brahma. Just like you can become one day President Nixon, like him. That requires your qualification. But you can... But you cannot become Krsna or Narayana. That is not possible. God is one. You cannot become God, but you can become part and parcel of God, more powerful. That is possible. Just like you are all Americans, but some of you can become a big officer in the government, the president, the secretary, the governor, but their position is better than ordinary man, similarly, the demigods are like that. They are different officers of the Supreme Lord, Krsna. These things are described in Bhagavatam, that the sun rises under the order of the Supreme Lord. The moon rises under the order of the Supreme Lord. The ocean is not disturbing, it is calm and quiet... Not calm and quiet. It is in its position by the order of the Supreme Lord. So everyone is acting under the Supreme Lord. And Caitanya-caritamrta says, ekale isvara krsna: "Yes, the Supreme Lord is only Krsna." Ekale isvara krsna, ara saba bhrtya. Ara, "Any other demigod or even visnu-tattva, even Narayana, Visnu" -- there are so many, I mean to say, manifestation of visnu-tattva -- "they're all subordinate to Krsna." Isvarah paramah krsnah [Bs. 5.1].

So here the point is that just direct people to Krsna, or the Supreme Lord. Don't misguide them that "Here is another god, here is another god, here is another..." The Bhagavad-gita also, in the last instruction, Bhagavan says, mam ekam. Ekam means one. "Only surrender to Me." So this is the verdict of all Vedic literatures. But if somebody thinks that "I can worship Brahma, I can worship Kali, I can worship Siva, or many other demigods, and still the same thing," this is impersonalist view. It is not a fact. Because according to them, "The Absolute Truth is impersonal. There is no question of personality. But because we cannot concentrate our devotional energy or attention in the impersonal feature, therefore let us imagine some form of God." This is the, I mean to say, principle of the impersonalists. They imagine some form of God, and they get perfection. And ultimately they become impersonal, merge into the effulgence, brahmajyoti. That is their philosophy. The Mayavada philosophy and Vaisnava philosophy differs here. Our Bhagavata says that ultimate truth, Absolute Truth, is a person. Brahman, Paramatma, and Bhagavan. Brahmeti paramatmeti bhagavan iti. Vyasadeva says that "You direct people, attention, to the Supreme Personality of Godhead."

Now, the question may be that one may take to the service of the Supreme Personality of Godhead without understanding the truth, by sentiment. Just like sometimes... It is mostly in this country. Some of the disciples, some of the students, they are coming, not that one has understood this philosophy very nicely and he is convinced. Some of them are coming by sentiment: "All right, let me join this Krsna consciousness movement." So in that case what happens? Suppose one does not understand the philosophy, but he comes to join this Krsna consciousness movement, then what is the effect? That is also clearly explained by Naradadeva, that,

tyaktva sva-dharmam caranambujam harer
bhajann apakvo 'tha patet tato yadi
yatra kva vabhadram abhud amusya kim
ko vartha apto 'bhajatam sva-dharmatah
 [SB 1.5.17]

So Narada says that "Giving up all other engagements..." Just like it is instructed in the Bhagavad-gita that "Give up all other engagements. Simply surrender unto Me." So if somebody, out of sentiment, without understanding, out of sentiment, surrenders, comes to Krsna... Here he had many duties to perform, his family life, his duty to the country, so many duties. Everyone has got so many duties. But one gives up all other duties, simply comes to Krsna. Then what happens to him? This is very important version of Narada Muni. He says, sva-dharma: "Everyone has got some occupational duty. So he gives it up according to the instruction of Krsna," and caranambujam hareh, "and begins devotional service, Krsna consciousness. Then, after some time..." Just like many... When I came, in the beginning, there were many, not many, a few, say within five or six, they were working with me, but now they are not working. So that is possibility. Because one may come by sentiment. Then, after staying for some time, he may find it: "Oh, what is this Krsna consciousness? Let me do something else." Or "Let me join in my previous occupation." So Narada Muni says that "Even a person joins Krsna consciousness, giving up all other occupational duties and without being mature, falls down, some..."

There are so many reasons one may fall down. Not only... Actually, the reason is maya. Maya, maya. It is a fight. To take to Krsna consciousness means it is a fight against maya. Maya is trying to keep you captivated within this material world. But if anyone takes to Krsna consciousness, he, maya has to give him up. Maya cannot control anymore. That is not the jurisdiction of maya. Because you have read in the Bhagavad-gita that Krsna says, daivi hy esa gunamayi mama maya duratyaya: [Bg. 7.14] "It is very, very, very difficult to get out of the grip of the strong maya." It is not... But mam eva ye prapadyante: "If anyone comes to Me or surrenders unto Me," mayam etam taranti te [Bg. 7.14], "he immediately becomes out of the jurisdiction of maya." So maya is strong always. Just like I was explaining this morning what is maya. Maya is already there, side by side, Krsna and maya. Just like this light. This side is light; this side is darkness. Take this example. This light, the one side is very bright; another side is dark. So this darkness and this light is always side by side. Similarly, Krsna and maya... Because maya is one of the energy of Krsna. When Vyasadeva by bhakti-yoga meditation experienced the whole thing, what did he see? He saw Krsna. Apasyat purusam purnam: "He saw the Supreme Person." Mayam ca tad-apasrayam: "And he saw also maya on the back side." Just like when you, if you stand, the light side, your shadow is not on the light side. The light... The shadow is on the back side.

So in our back side the maya is there, although you are in front of Krsna. So as soon as you become little slack in Krsna consciousness, immediately maya is ready to capture you. Maya is always going side by side. As Krsna is all-pervading, the maya is also all-pervading. As soon as there is lack of Krsna consciousness, there is immediately maya.

krsna-bahirmukha hana bhoga vancha kare
nikata-stha maya tare japatiya dhare

Japatiya dhare means embrace. What is that? What is called, to capture like this?

Devotee: Hug?

Devotees: Hug, hug, embrace?

Prabhupada: Embrace? Yes. So as soon as one, krsna-bhuliya, forgets Krsna... Forgetting Krsna means sense enjoyment. Two things are there. One, the materialistic persons, they are engaged in the activities of sense enjoyment, forgetting Krsna; and the transcendentalists, the devotees, they are, even though they are not forgotten, but they are not interested in sense enjoyment. They are interested in Krsna. That is the difference. This is maya and Krsna.

So maya is always strong. As soon as we little slack in Krsna consciousness, maya will capture us in the same process. So here it is said, bhajann apakvo 'tha. If one is not very strong, not very much advanced, not mature, and falls down under the clutches of maya again, so, Narada Muni says, yatra kva vabhadram abhut: "There is no," I mean to say, "loss." Abhadra means great loss, or inauspicity. There is no... "It is still good, even if he falls down." Why? Yatra kva va abhadram amusya kim ko vartha apto 'bha...: "In comparison to the person who is simply sticking to the formalities of religious principles without any development of love of Godhead, simply following the routine work, in comparison to that person, this person who came to surrender to Krsna, either by sentiment or some way or other but falls down, this man is better. This man is better. There is no," I mean to say, "any great loss. Rather it is a great gain."

How it is gain? Krsna has confirmed in the Bhagavad-gita that yoga-bhrasto 'bhijaya... Sucinam srimatam gehe. This question was raised by Arjuna, that "Krsna, one person is engaged in bhakti-yoga. It is very good. If he can execute bhakti-yoga to the perfect point and becomes liberated, goes back to Krsna, it is very nice. But if he falls down, then what is his position? He loses both things? He loses Krsna consciousness and all this material enjoyment. Then he is nowhere?" Krsna said, "No, no, no, no. It is not like that. His position is not like that. His position is better still, even if he has fallen down."

What is that? Now, sucinam srimatam gehe yoga-bhrasto 'bhijayate: "If one, anyone, immaturely falls down, then in next life he will have the opportunity to take birth in very rich family or in a family of a, I mean, real brahmana." Real brahmana means suci, always pure. That is real brahminical qualification. Truthful, clean, wise, God consciousness -- these are brahminical qualifications. We are giving thread ceremony to our disciples to recognize him that he has got the brahminical qualifications. He has given up this meat-eating, illicit sex life, gambling and intoxication. He is chanting Hare Krsna mantra. He is being purified gradually. He's trying to understand Krsna. Therefore he's always pure. This is the recognition. This thread ceremony is recognition. But if we simply make it a show, that "Now I have got thread. I have become liberated. I may not do anything," and then again I fall down... The same principle is always going on, maya and Krsna.

Just like in India, those who are born in brahmana family, they are falsely proud that "We are born in brahmana family. Now we are perfect. Now we can do any nonsense thing. Still I am brahmana." And it is actually being done. They are doing work less than a sudra, and still, they are passing on as brahmana. That is the cause of India's spiritual falldown. Some people, they have exploited simply being born in high family. But actually that is not the position. Actual position is by quality. If one has got the quality of a brahmana, then he should be recognized as brahmana, as we are doing here. Here nobody is born in a brahmana family, but how we are offering him sacred thread? By the quality. That is recommended by Sanatana Gosvami. Sanatana Gosvami gives a very nice example in his Hari-bhakti-vilasa, that yatha kamsyam,

yatha kancanatam yati
kamsyam rasa-vidhanatah
tatha diksa-vidhanena
dvijatvam jayate nrnam

 He gives that "Just like by chemical process one can turn gun metal into gold, similarly, by the process of initiation, one can become dvija." Dvija means twice-born, or brahmana.

So the chance is given. If one falls down immaturely from the standard of bhakti-yoga, devotional service, or Krsna consciousness, then he gets next birth either in a very nice brahmana family, or very rich family. So is not...? So what is the loss there, even if I fall? But that does not mean I shall wait for falling down. No. Just like in India, formerly, in medical college there were two designations -- one as M.D., and another was L.M.S. So what is the distinction? Now, after passing, after regularly attending the class, say, five or six years, if one passes the examination, he takes the title M.D., Doctor of Medicine, or something like that. And if he fails, then he is given the title L.M.S., Licensed in Medical, Medicine and Surgery. So after studying in medical college for the regular years, five or six years, so even if he fails, he is recognized, but not to the standard of that passed medical man, but he is given license: "All right, if you don't wish to study more, you get the license to practice." License. Similarly, a devotee, a person in devotional service, in Krsna consciousness, even if he falls down by some reason or other, without being mature, then he has, he's not in loss.

He says, Narada Muni says, that evam tavat tat karma-karmadi anartha-hetutva tam vihaya harer lilaiva bandhaniya tam.(?) Therefore everyone should be engaged in Krsna consciousness. If we pass Krsna consciousness examination at the end of our life, it is very good, but even if we fail, just like the medical man, failing, as we can execute, we can work as a medical man, we get the license, just like to take birth in a nice family, that means again devotional service. In India, a rich family means they must have their own private temple. Generally they have got private temple, all rich men. Now they are not constructing. Just like in your country, those who are rich, now they are not constructing any churches. They... Everyone, people are losing interest in religion. But in formerly, say, even twenty-five years ago, both the Hindus and Mussulman, if one becomes rich, immediately he tries to construct a temple or a mosque. I have got personal experience. When I was doing medical business, one Muhammadan... His name was Abdullah. He was supplying me bottles. So he was very poor man, but by making business in bottle supply he became rich. So one day I asked him, "Abdullah, you have got now money. How you are going to utilize your money?" So he said, "Babaji, majjhi banabhan(?)" He said that "My dear sir," that, "I have got an intention to construct a mosque." So people, either Christian or Jew or Muhammadan or Hindu, formerly they were religious and, according to their faith, they used to construct either synagogue or church or mosque or temple all over the world. Now they have lost interest. You see?

So to get birth in the family of a pure brahmana means he gets the association. Because in a brahmana family or a rich family the worship of Krsna is there. Every brahmana family, according to Vedic culture, must worship Narayana, every brahmana family. If he is not worshiping Narayana, then he's rejected from brahmana family. That was the stricture. And srimatam. Srimatam means rich family, very rich family. So every rich family had a temple, private temple. Just like I was born in a family. Although I was not a member of that family, but I was born in a very rich family. They had a temple. Still that temple existing. When I last year went to India, I stayed in that temple. Acyutananda, recently he was there. He informed me that he is staying in that temple. Because we were born in that family, from the very beginning of our life we got the idea of Radha-Krsna worship. It is very nice.

So sucinam srimatam gehe yoga-bhrasto 'bhijayate. So there is no loss. He begins again worship of Radha-Krsna, either in the brahmana family or in the rich family. And ko vartha apto 'bhajatam sva-dharmatah: "And if anyone does not take to Krsna consciousness, devotional service, simply engages in his, mean, prescribed duties as a brahmana or ksatriya or a sudra, and he's very strict moralist, he may get, he may get also." There is... Because this life, as it is stated in the Bhagavad-gita, yes, Vedas, Upanisad, ksurasya dhara iti duratyaya.(?) The people do not understand that how we are stationed. Any little difference, we may fall down. As there is chance of falldown from Krsna consciousness, there is chance of falldown from any position. This human life, human form of life, should be very carefully and cautiously utilized. This verse I was explaining yesterday, labdhva sudurlabham idam bahu-sambhavante.

So Narada Muni advises that "Induce everyone to be engaged in Krsna consciousness. Never mind if he, even if he falls down. There is no loss." This is the principle. If he becomes successful, oh, the greatest boon. That greatest boon is described in Bhagavad-gita, samsiddhim paramam gatah, highest perfection. Highest... Samsiddhim. Samsiddhim means perfection. Paramam, the supreme.

mam upetya punar janma
duhkhalayam asasvatam
napnuvanti mahatmanah
samsiddhim paramam gatah
 [Bg. 8.15]

So if we become successful in Krsna consciousness, we achieve the greatest success of life, but even if we fall down, oh, there is no loss. Because we are going to get birth in sucinam, in nice brahmana family, or rich mercantile family where it is supposed...

Nowadays, at the present moment, there is no brahmana, no ksatriya, no vaisyas. Everyone is a sudra. Kalau sudra-sambhavah. The situation is different. Therefore Caitanya Mahaprabhu has made the thing very easy. Either you become brahmana or sudra or ksatriya or less than sudra, candala, or, or anything, it doesn't matter. Take to this chanting of Krsna, and if you stick to this and if you follow the regulative principles, your success is sure. That is Caitanya Mahaprabhu's gift. And that is confirmed here by Narada Muni, that "There is no loss even one falls down from Krsna consciousness platform." That does not mean we shall fall down. We must be very steady and rigid and with vow, drdha-vratah. Bhajante mam drdha-vratah. Krsna says that te dvandva-moha-nirmuktah. How we can become fixed up in Krsna consciousness? That is also explained in the Bhagavad-gita, yesam anta-gatam papam: "Anyone who is completely free from all sinful reaction..." Yesam anta-gatam papam jananam punya-karmanam. And who can be completely free from all sinful reaction? They are always engaged in pious activities. Such persons... Because if you engage yourself in pious activities, there is no chance of your being engaged in sinful activities.

So this activity, Krsna consciousness activity, is not only pious; it is transcendental. So if you stay on this platform of Krsna consciousness, the easy process, just like we are executing in New Vrindaban, chanting, dancing, eating bhagavata-prasadam, hearing Bhagavata or Bhagavad-gita, trying to understand, simple process... It is not very difficult. And you are satisfied with little prasadam. Never mind what it is. This process will make you stay firm. So don't deviate. Whatever little regulative principles are there, they are not very difficult. Just stick to this principle, chant Hare Krsna, eat prasadam, and your life will be successful.

Here is the assurance by Narada Muni, that "Even if he falls down, still, there is no loss. But the, on the other side, those who are not in Krsna consciousness, if he's very regular businessman or regular worker, so many things, still, his gain is nothing." He... Srama eva hi kevalam. He's simply laboring, because he has no connection with Krsna consciousness. The life mission, this human form of life mission, is to understand Krsna and relation. He's neglecting that. He has no information. Therefore he does not gain. If you... Suppose if you go to a place, to a..., where you can earn money, as much as you like, and if you go there, and if you do not earn anything, you come empty-handed, so, as your mission becomes unsuccessful. Similarly, if in the human form of life you are simply engaged in the animalistic way of life -- eating, sleeping, mating, and defending in a nice way than the birds and beasts -- then you are not gaining anything. Parabhavas tavad abodha-jatah. In many places these things are very nicely explained. Abodha-jatah. We are born... We are born ignorant. A child is born ignorant. If the father, mother, guardians, do not give him education, then his life is spoiled. The child has no fault. It is the fault of the guardian. In this human form of life, if the state, the father, the teacher, the school, college, and every, who are responsible for raising the child to knowledge, to become wise, if they do not care and simply they have trained for eating nicely, sleeping nicely and mating nicely and defending nicely, then there is no gain. The life is the... A chance is missed. Narada Muni says that "Without coming to Krsna consciousness, if he's simply engaged in a polished way to this animalistic way of life -- eating, sleeping, mating and defending -- then he does not gain anything. On the other side, if a person without any knowledge, without any understanding, by sentiment takes to Krsna consciousness, and, being immature, if he falls down, there is no loss." This is the conclusion.

Thank you very much. (end)
Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.5.15 -- New Vrindaban, June 19, 1969
Prabhupada: So Narada Muni is advising Vyasadeva, tasyaiva hetoh prayateta kovidah. Kovida means intelligent, expert. One who knows things as they are, he's called kovida. So one who is intelligent, he should try to achieve that thing which is not available -- na labhyate yad bhramatam upary adhah -- which is not available even by wandering up and down. This we have already explained in the last meeting, that according to our karma, we are being sometimes elevated to the very high position, and sometimes we are being degraded to become an insignificant creature like ant. This is going on. (baby crying in background) (aside:) This boy... She, she can go to the... Yes. This is very disturbing child.

Nanu sadharmam atradapi karma pitr-loka iti sruti pitr-loka-prapti phalam aptaiva hatrasapi kovidah viveki; tasyaiva hetoh tad artham yartham na kuryad yad upary brahmaloka paryantam adhah sthavara paryantam brahmad bija na labhyate; tato visaya sukham anyatha eva praptino sva karmana sarvatra narakadapi labhyate duhkhavat; yatah duhkham prajadnavina labhyate tadvad; tad uktam apraptithani duhkhani tathaiva ayam hi dehinam sukhani api tatha manye daivatra atir-icyata(?).

So our duty is as, I mean to say, indicated by Narada Muni. Our only duty is how to achieve full Krsna consciousness. Other things, there is no need of trying. Actually, I have seen that in India... Everywhere the same case. A person without any education, even without any, practically illiterate... I have seen so many merchants, he cannot sign even his name. In Calcutta I've seen practically a Marwari, merchant. He, he cannot... He has deposited money in the bank. Simply he can sign his own name with great difficulty. So he's canvassing, "Will you kindly write here..." That means the check to be paid to the gentleman, he cannot write. He's asking somebody's help, "You write the name of the person whom I can pay." And he'll simply sign. If he writes something wrong, he'll have to accept. If he writes his own name... (laughter) So that man is earning millions of dollars. You see? And I have seen also very educated medical man, England-returned, M.R.C.P I am speaking from my practical experience. So he goes to a hospital, big doctor, but I have seen in his house. He had not even a good utensil at home. He's so poor in spite of so much education and highly qualified, England-returned doctor.

So the statement of Srimad-Bhagavatam that tal labhyate duhkhavad anyatah sukham. You don't try for so-called economic development. You cannot have more than what you are destined to get. It is already settled up. This, this living entity... You see different grades of standard of living condition. So they're according to the past karma, daivena, daiva-netrena, karmana. So you cannot change that. That nature's law, you cannot change. Why you have got varieties of life, varieties of position, varieties of de...? It is destined. Visayah khalu sarvatah syat. Visaya, these material enjoyment -- means eating, sleeping, mating and defending -- these... Only standard is different. I am eating something, you are eating something. Maybe, in my calculation, you are eating not very good. In your calculation I am not eating very good. But the eating is same. You are eating. I am eating.

So in the material world the standard of happiness, taking the basic principle, it is all the same. But we have created, "This is good standard. That is bad standard. This is very nice. This is very bad." Caitanya-caritamrta says, dvaite bhadrabhadra sakali samana. In the material world, "This is good," "This is bad" -- actually, it is the same thing. As it is explained in the Bhagavad-gita, sitosna-sukha-duhkha-dah: it is due to the skin that we are sometimes feeling warm and sometimes feeling cold. The material nature is the same. Similarly, our feelings of happiness and distress is just like feeling the warmth and, I mean to say, chilly cold. Due to the skin, due to this body. Actually, there is no happiness in the material world. Krsna says, duhkhalayam asasvatam: [Bg. 8.15] "This place is full of misery, full of misery." Now, how you can make it happy? Caitanya-caritamrta also says that dvaite bhadrabhadra sakali samana. In this material world it is our mental creation: "This is happiness. This is distress." Actually, it is all distress. After all, we have to die. After all, we have to finish this business. So what is happiness or distress? Bhagavata also says that "Don't bother yourself to make yourself happy by working day and night without trying for Krsna consciousness. This is simply waste of time." There is no question of happiness in this material world. If you actually want to be happy, anandamayo 'bhyasat, if you want to be placed in real happiness, that is Krsna consciousness. Tasyaiva hetoh prayateta kovido na labhyate.

So this chance we have got in this human form of life. I can execute the business of Krsna consciousness very nicely. In other form of life I cannot do that. Even if I try, it is not possible. That the dog cannot because it is not a human being. But we can because we are... So why should we lose this chance? Tasyaiva hetoh prayateta.

na vai jano jatu kathancanavrajen
mukunda-sevy anyavad anga samsrtim
smaran mukundanghry-upaguhanam punar
vihatum icchen na rasa-graho janah

Krsna consciousness is so nice that, if once adopted, he'll not degrade like ordinary man. This is stated here clearly. Na vai jano jatu kathancanavrajen mukunda-sevy anyavat. Anyavat, others, as they have become a tool in the hands of material nature, a Krsna conscious person, because he has surrendered to Krsna, he is not under the jurisdiction of the material nature. Mam eva ya prapadyante mayam etam taranti.

So whole stress is being given that "You take, you preach Krsna consciousness. If some way or other..." The whole, the three verses, are stressing that "Even if he falls down, there is no harm. Preach to take Krsna consciousness." Caitanya Mahaprabhu also says like that, yare dekha tare kaha krsna-upadesa: [Cc. Madhya 7.128] "Whomever you meet, you simply try to make him convinced or to preach him the importance of Krsna consciousness." That is Caitanya Mahaprabhu's... Some way or other, if he takes to Krsna consciousness, then his life become successful. Yad uktam yatra kva va abhadra abhud amusya kim yad upavadayiti mukunda-sevi jana kadacit kathancana kujanim kato'pi samsrtim na vrajet na viset.(?) Sridhara Svami says, mukunda-sevi. Mukunda, Krsna's another name is Mukunda. Muk, muk. Muk means liberation, mukti. So... And ananda. So Krsna can give you liberation from this distressful, miserable condition of material existence and give you transcendental pleasure. Therefore His another name is Mukunda. So mukunda-sevi. Sevi means one, he's engaged in the service of Mukunda, or Krsna, Sridhara Svami says that mukunda-sevi va jana kadacit kathancana kujanim gato 'pi samsiddhin na vrajet.(?) Even a Mukunda-sevi, by chance... There is chance. Every... Just like Bharata Maharaja. He began Krsna consciousness, but by chance he, at the time of death, he was too much affectionate with a deer cub and he become a deer in the next life. So although it is degraded life, still, he did not forget that "For this reason I have become now deer." So he was very cautious. He was keeping company... Just like here. We have got dogs. They are keeping company with devotees. That is very nice. His dog life also be coming perfect. It may be some pious man. Somehow or other, it has become dog. Now he has... Krsna has given them the association of the devotees. He's eating prasadam. He's chan... He's hearing, chanting. He's giving some service to the devotees. So they are not in vain. They are not in vain. No. They, they're acquiring.

So mukunda-sevi. Similarly, anyone who has taken to Krsna consciousness, even if he falls down... Generally, he does not, but even, taking for accepted that he, somehow or other, he fallen, still, he'll not have to suffer like others. Just like here, the animals, under the protection of the devotees, at least he has no fear of his life. No devotee will kill. Here the cows, the horse, the dog, they're assured of their life. Therefore they're not like ordinary dogs. They're not ordinary cows. Therefore it is said, Sridhara Svami says, mukunda-sevi, even if he's degraded, he's not degraded as ordinary man. He's not degraded as... Mukunda-sevi na vrajet anga, anyavat kevala karma nisthavat iti vaidharma nistha.(?) Just like other karmis. They are, according to their karma, they're given birth in a specific species of life. So their case, a devotee's case, is different.

So kuto ityataha mukundanghry-upaguhanam alinganam punah smaran vihatum necchet yathan jana asad graha rasena na grhyate.(?) Just like we see sometimes... The other day, the boy, Jayarama, he went away. Again he came. We have got experience that many boys, they go away. But they cannot find out... Just like I received many letters from Jayagovinda when he was India, in India, that he's missing the company of devotee-Godbrothers. He's missing. So there is a feeling. Anyone who has associated in Krsna consciousness, I mean to say, association, he cannot forget. Rasa-graho janah. Here it is stated that smaran mukundanghry-upaguhanam punar vihatum icchen na. Vihatum means "to give up." He may fall down by maya's influence for time being, but he cannot give it up. This is the sign. He cannot give... Just like... The example is given: just like hot sugar juice. It is very nice. Because it is hot, one is feeling uncomfortable to take it, but because it is sweet, it cannot give way. Hot sugar juice. Similarly, this Krsna consciousness is so nice that if somebody, being..., becomes attracted by some kinds of maya's, I mean to say, influence, still, he does not like to give up this Krsna consciousness like others.

This is the specific qualification of a Krsna conscious person. Smaran mukundanghry-upaguhanam punah. One who has chanted Hare Krsna, he cannot give it up. Cannot give it up. He has to come again. This life or next life, Krsna will not leave him. Krsna... Once surrender sincerely, "Krsna, I am Yours," Krsna will never leave him. He will protect you. But if he had become little stronger, then there is no question of falling down. Rasagra rasena grhyate vasi kriyate.(?) Krsna vasi kriyate. Vasi kriyate means hypnotized. It is so nice that one becomes hypnotized. Otherwise, why the boys are working so hard? They are... (laughter) They're all qualified. They can earn money outside. In your country sufficient money is paid for work, but they are hypnotized here. (laughter)

So Krsna is so nice. Yes. He's the all-attractive. He hypnotizes His devotee in spite of... Just like the Pandavas. The Pandavas, they were Krsna's friends. Arjuna was friend. All the brother... Arjuna was very intimate friend, but other brothers, four brothers, they were also Krsna's friend. And Kunti, the Pandavas' mother, she happened to be the aunt of Krsna. So they were well, mean, established in relation with Krsna. But as a result, they were banished for twelve years. They lost the game, so they were banished. And their wife, Draupadi, was insulted. Not... They could not insult her, but they tried to insult her. They tried to make her naked in the assembly. And they lost their kingdom, and they were banished for twelve years. So Narada met Krsna. His devotee, he could speak Krsna with little criticism, "My dear Sir, Krsna, by becoming Your devotee the Pandavas are very happy. They have lost their kingdom. Their wife is insulted. And now they are banished for twelve years. So it is very good thing. (laughter) But the wonderful thing I see, now, in spite of all these inconveniences, they have increased their love for You." So Narada, he is astonished, "What kind of hypnotism you do, I do not know. (laughter) In spite of being placed in so much inconveniences, their love for You has increased." That is the position of Pandavas. This is Krsna consciousness. Tat te 'nukampam su-samiksamanah. The devotee, pure devotee, if they are put into difficulty they take it, "Oh, it is Krsna's grace. It is Krsna's grace." Tat te 'nukampam su-samiksamano bhunjana evatma-krtam vipakam. They take it in this way, "Krsna, I was to suffer hundred times more than this due to my bad activities in my past life, but You are giving me a little out of it. So it is Your grace." So devotee never takes any...

Therefore narayana-parah sarve na kutascana bibhyati: "One who has become narayana-parah, Krsna conscious, he's never afraid of any condition of life." Bhagavad-gita also, Krsna says, yasmin sthito na duhkhena vicalyate: "If one is situated in Krsna consciousness, then he's never disturbed." Gurunapi duhkhena: "If he's put in the severest type of difficulty, he's never..." Just see the Pandavas. That is the effect of Krsna consciousness. Therefore Narada is trying to convince Vyasadeva that "You preach Krsna consciousness. Whatever you have so..., so far written books, they have been useless. Now you write something, by reading which, one will become immediately Krsna conscious." Sadyo hrdy avarudhyate. In the beginning of the Srimad-Bhagavatam it is said that "Srimad-Bhagavatam is so nice that simply by reading, immediately one can capture the Supreme Lord within his heart." Sadyo hrdy avarudhyate susrusubhis tat-ksanat. Tat-ksanat means immediately, provided if he's little willing. That's all. Susrusu. That is the word.

So our whole program is that Krsna is very kind, always kind upon us, but we have to become little willing to take Krsna's favor. That... What is the example? My Guru Maharaja used to give a very nice example. I remember. Just like here is a well. Somebody has fallen down; he's crying, "Please get me out! Get me out! Get me out!" Now, if somebody drops a, a, I mean to, tight, strong rope and asks him, "All right, you catch this rope tightly. I'll get you out," and if he says, "No, that I cannot do," then how he'll be saved? That much endeavor he must have, to catch the rope. Then he'll be lifted immediately. Similarly, Krsna says that sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja [Bg. 18.66]. So we have to do that. Simply to surrender unto... Then everything is there. That is the only. Because... Now the rope is there. Now we have to capture. Now, if you don't use your independence to catch it, then how can you expect to be lifted? That much you have to do. Because you have got... You are living. You are not a dead stone. You have got the independence. Therefore you have to capture, and Krsna will do everything. Then Krsna will do everything. Simply you have to capture, that "Krsna, from this day I am Yours. Whatever You like, You do."

Just like Bhaktivinoda Thakura says, manasa deho geho, jo kichu mora, arpilun tuwa pade, nanda-kisora. Krsna's another name is Nanda-kisora. Krsna has thousands and thousands of names, but this word, Krsna, is the original name, the exact name, "all-attractive." So here Nanda-kisora. Nanda-kisora means the young boy of Maharaja Nanda, Nanda-kisora. So Bhaktivinoda Thakura addressing, "My dear Nanda-kisora, young boy of, young child, or young son of Nanda Maharaja," manasa deho geho, "my mind, my body, my family," manasa deho geho jo kichu, "whatever I think ‘This is mine...' " Because we are conditioned souls, "my," "I," and "mine," this is our disease. "So whatever I am thinking ‘It is mine'... First of all, ‘This body's mine,' or ‘The home, the family, that is mine.' " So manasa deho geho, jo kichu... "Whatever I have got in my possession, now I am surrendering unto You." Arpilun tuwa pade nanda-kisora. This is surrender. "So I am giving unto You my family, my home, my body, my mind, everything." Arpilun tuwa pade nanda... "Now, whatever You like, You do." That is very nice song. So we have to do that. Then Krsna will take care. That's all. The same example: you simply have to capture the rope. Then you'll be lifted immediately.

So, so here it is said that a Krsna conscious person, even if he is fallen down, he is not so degraded. Sridhara Svami, here, herewith quotes a verse from Bhagavad-gita. It is nice.

yatate ca tato bhuyah
samsiddhau kuru-nandana
purvabhyasena tenaiva
hriyate hy avaso 'pi sah

Just like so many boys and girls come to our association just like somebody forcing him, forcing him, "You just remain in this association." That is Krsna's grace. That means in their past life they had been Krsna conscious. Some way or other, it was not being fulfilled. Now again the chance is being given. That is stated in Bhagavad-gita, that yatate ca tato bhuyah samsiddhau. The percentage up to which he finished in his last birth, that is not lost. That is there, fifty percent or forty percent, thirty percent, whatever one executed in the last birth. Now next, this birth, unwillingly or by force, by Krsna's force, he'll have to accept again Krsna consciousness.

Just like Bilvamangala Thakura. I think I have several times spoken about Bilvamangala Thakura. So Bilvamangala Thakura, he raised himself in his previous life to the bhava-bhakti. Bhava-bhakti means always feeling for Krsna. That is the prior stage of loving Krsna, bhava-bhakti. So he, in his previous life he was raised, but somehow or other, he fell down. But it is assured, sucinam srimatam gehe yoga-bhrasto 'bhijayate: "Even such Krsna consciousness person falls down, he is given chance to take birth in nice brahmana family or suci, pure family, and rich family." So Bilvamangala Thakura was very rich man. He was born in a very rich brahmana family. And he was addicted to prostitute. By some way or other, he had some inclination like that. So he could not finish Krsna consciousness. He fallen down. But at a opportune moment he got again the Krsna consciousness.

How is that? The incidence is that he was performing the sraddha ceremony of his father, but he had a girlfriend, prostitute. So he wanted to go there very quickly. So somehow or other he finished. And he wanted to go there. But on the road he found that it was very heavily raining and he had to cross the river. So he did everything. And he... The prostitute was... She thought that "Bilvamangala is not coming today. It is very..., so much raining." So when she saw that Bilvamangala is at the door, she was astonished. She said, "Bilvamangala, how did you come here in this rainy, torrents of rainy...?" So he disclosed everything that how he catched one dead body in the river, then he crossed the river, then he jumped over the wall. So she was astonished, and she simply said, "Oh, this much affection if you would have with Krsna, how you would have been... Your life would have been nice." Immediately it was... "Oh, Krsna...?" Immediately, he left everything. Immediately he left everything and went to Vrndavana. He is... So Krsna is so nice. Just at the right point He will remind. Yatate ca tatah. Here, in the Bhagavad-gita, yatate ca tato bhuyah samsiddhau kuru-nandana, purvabhyasena. He was accustomed, so immediately reminded, immediately.

So these are the, I mean to say, facilities for Krsna consciousness. And this is the only business one should take. All other things, simply waste of time. That is the instruction of Narada. Narada is the spiritual master within, spiritual master of the whole Vaisnava sect. So he's giving the right direction, that "Don't try for anything else. Don't think that you'll be happy this way or that way. Never... Whatever happiness or distress..." (coughing) Where is water? So example is given here that tal labhyate duhkhavat. Nobody expects a calamity or distress, but sometimes calamity overcomes us. Similarly, you should not, I mean to say, try for any artificial happiness. Whatever Krsna gives you, be satisfied. That was the basic principle of Vedic civilization. Nobody was trying to make any artificial economic development. No. The whole history of India is like that. They were satisfied, "All right..." Even now the mass of people... In 1942 there was famine. People were dying. Still, they were..., "All right. Krsna has given us. God has given us." That was the mentality.

So our main business is how to improve Krsna consciousness. We should not divert our attention in any other material condition of improvement. That is actually not improvement. It is simply illusion, that "I am making improvement." What improvement? Suppose you are earning now, say, five hundred dollars per month. If you earn, say, five million dollars, so then what? Will you eat more than four capatis? (laughter) You'll eat the same four capatis. And you'll occupy the same six feet bed. You may acquire the whole property of West Virginia, (laughter) but you'll have to lie down on six feet. (laughter) That's all. And you'll have to eat four capatis. So this is maya. This is maya, "I am improving." What you are improving? You'll not be taller. You'll not be great eater, nothing of the sort. Whatever you have already, you'll have so the same thing. You see?

So tad eva bhagavad-lila pradhanarena anuvarnaya; ity uktam bhakti-bhavam ka ca kasya lila iti apeksama ilam bhagavan eva satu asmad iti araha.(?) So Narada Rsi, Narada Muni says, "You just try to describe the glories of Krsna." And what is that? The question may be, "Then how shall I glorify Him?" He says, idam hi visvam bhagavan ivetarah: "You study everything and dovetail with Krsna." Idam: "This world, this cosmic manifestation..." Idam jagat. Jagat means this cosmic manifestation, idam, this, bhagavan... "It is Krsna." That means, "Try to preach or try to teach the people in general that everything belongs to Krsna, everything is manifestation of Krsna's energy." But not impersonalism. If... The impersonalists' view is that if everything is Krsna... That is the... That is their material way of thinking. Just like if you big paper and, I mean to say, cut into pieces and the pieces are distributed, strewn over, then the original paper is lost. So their theory is, "If Krsna is everything -- Krsna has expanded in this world, in cosmic manifestation -- then Krsna has no form, separate form." That is their theory. But the Vedic injunction is: "No, it is not like that." Purnasya purnam adaya purnam evavasisyate: Krsna is so full that even Krsna expands million times, still, He's the same thing, Krsna. That is Krsna. Krsna is person. And even He expands, Krsna, in many ways... Parasya saktir vividhaiva sruyate. This is the fine philosophy. One has to understand how Krsna, in spite of His being a person -- He's person, without any doubt -- He has expanded in so many universes, so many manifestations. Yes.

So I was... This morning, while I was walking, I was talking with Devananda that how Krsna expands. It is commonsense affair. Just like a small seed in a fruit -- that seed you sow, it becomes a big tree. And from that big tree, again millions of fruits come out. And again from that, each fruit, there are millions of trees. We can see the potency. Even in our material existence we see so much potencies in everything. Why not Krsna's potencies? We see the sunshine, the potency of the sun. The sunshine is spread all over, and everything is existing on the sunshine. Even the sunshine has got the so much potency. That we can experience. And how much potential is Krsna, who is the creator of the sun also. Yac caksur esa savita sakala-grahanam raja samasta-sura-murtir asesa-tejah. So we have to study like that everything. Everything is Krsna's expansion. Just like the fire. Fire is situated in one place, but here... Just like here there is a fireplace. But if there is fire, the heat will be experienced up, up, upstair, and here and that other side. Similarly, Krsna, although He's person, He's situated... Goloka eva nivasati. He's enjoying there in Goloka Vrndavana. By His energy, He is expanded. This is simple truth. Anyone, any man with common sense, he can experience.

So Vyasadeva is teaching Narada Muni, idam visvam bhagavan. Isvarad prapanca na prthak.(?) This world is not different from Krsna, na prthak. Prthak means different. The world is not... But that does not mean Krsna has lost His personality. This is the difference between Mayavada philosophy and Vaisnava philosophy. Mayavada philosophy is: "If the whole cosmic creation is God, then where is God again separately?" That is their poor fund of knowledge. That is God who, expanding Himself in so many ways, still He remains as He is. That is God. Otherwise, how He is God? It is material thing. If by expanding, He loses His identity, then it is material. In the material sense, that we experience. The same example: you take one big paper and cut into pieces and throw it. The original paper is lost. That is material. But in the Isopanisad we hear that purnasya purnam adaya purnam idam purnam adah purnam purnat udacyate, purnasya purnam adaya purnam eva avasisyate [Isopanisad, Invocation]. Just like when Krsna was sporting on this earth as cowherd boy, Brahma became doubtful, "How is that? Krsna has become a cowherds boy here?" So he wanted to test whether He's Krsna. So he, he sifted all the cows and cowherds boys from the pasturing ground, and again he saw that millions times the same cows, boys and cowherd, cows and cowherd boys, are present there. So that is Krsna. He can expand. Brhatvad brhannatvad. Brahman means He can expand unlimitedly. And He can shrink also to the minute. Just like we are very minute. We are also part and parcel. And this cosmic manifestation is also part and parcel of Krsna. Therefore He's called param brahma param dhama pavitram paramam bhavan [Bg. 10.12].

So in this way we have to study to become Krsna conscious. The, everything is there. Simply we have to become little serious. Then we can understand what is this world, what is Krsna, what we are, how they have expanded, how this world is created, everything. All answers are there. It is not a sentiment, that we are accepting something by sentiment. All reasons, all philosophy, arguments, are there. We shall discuss by and by.

Thank you very much. (end)
Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.5.18 -- New Vrindaban, June 22, 1969

"Muni Extraordinaire"  BY SRILA PRABHUPADA.

Pradyumna: "In the last millennium I was born as the son of a certain maidservant engaged in the service of brahmanas, who were following the principles of Vedanta. When they were living together during the four months of the rainy season, I was engaged in their personal service."


aham puratita-bhave 'bhavam mune
dasyas tu kasyascana veda-vadinam
nirupito balaka eva yoginam
susrusane pravrsi nirviviksatam

So this is the previous life history of Narada Muni. Narada Muni is explaining about his previous life to Vyasadeva. What was the previous life? The son of a maidservant. Maidservant means sudrani, not born of a brahmana family. Low class, maidservant. So from this position, Narada Muni became the greatest muni. He is describing his own life.

This is most important point, that even... First of all, he was a boy, three-, four-or five-years-old boy, no knowledge. And second point is that he was not born in a very high-grade family, aristocratic family, rich family. No. Maidservant's son. He did not give any information of his father also. Dasyah. Dasyah means there is no certainty who is father. Dasi. Dasi-putra. The... Formerly, big, big men, especially ksatriyas... Just like when Vasudeva was married with Devaki, so with Devaki many hundreds maidservants were given, with Vasudeva. That is the system, especially among the ksatriyas. When a ksatriya king is married, then along with the queen, many girlfriends of the queen, they are also taken away. This is also nice solution of social problem. Yes. Because female population is always greater than the male population. And... Therefore, the royal order, they would accept all these girls as associates. And sometimes they would be pregnant, and there will be son. They were called dasi-putra. They were not neglected. They were equally taken care of. But they were not heir to the throne. Only the married wife's son... Just like Vidura. Vidura's birth was like that. Vidura was not born of the queen, but maidservant. And Dhrtarastra, he took him as his brother. There was no discrimination, because one is born of the maidservant... No. Equal treatment. Only the restriction was that he would not inherit the throne. That was the system.

So here... Of course, it appears that Narada Muni was not of that kind of dasi-putra. Ordinary dasi-putra. Because the such dasi, or the maidservant, they do not come out for common service. They remain within the palace. So the point is that Narada Muni in his previous life was not very recognized family, neither brahmana nor nothing of the sort. Still, he became next life the Narada Muni. And what is the cause? What... The cause is, nirupito balaka eva yoginam: "I was appointed a boy servant of the devotees." The importance is that devotee is so important that if anyone renders a little service, then he becomes elevated to the spiritual life. What balaka... Balaka means there was a boy. "You, boy, bring me this," or "Do this. Just wash my cloth," or "Just set up my bedding." Like that. This much servant. Or "Wash this dish." So the devotional service is so powerful, by doing this... This will be described later on, that simply by doing this little service to the yoginam, he was so blessed that next life he became Narada. This point is very important point. That is being explained.

Another point is that when one is situated... Narada, after this life, he became situated in his spiritual life. In the spiritual life, therefore, he was able to go anywhere. Narada is traveling all over the universe. Not only within this material world, in the spiritual world also. He goes to see Narayana in the spiritual world. (aside:) This boy is sleeping. You can... You go back side. Those who will sleep can go back side. So this is one point, that in spiritual life one is free to move. There is no requisition of this airplane or... Even in this material world, those who are very highly elevated... That is called... They live in the Siddhaloka. There is a... That is described in the Second Canto of Srimad-Bhagavatam, Siddhaloka.

Now, Siddhaloka, the inhabitants of the Siddhaloka, they don't require any plane. They can go... Because siddha means the inhabitants in that planet, they are all perfect in asta-siddhi-yoga. By yogic perfection, one can travel in the space. Just like Durvasa Muni. He traveled in the space. When there was chasing by the Sudarsana-cakra, he, by yogic power, he fled from one place to another, one place... He even entered the spiritual nature and saw Visnu personally. Still he was condemned. The Sudarsana-cakra was after him, chasing. He tried to insult Ambarisa Maharaja, Vaisnava. So... He wanted to kill. Not only insult, but he wanted to kill him. A demon was immediately produced by his hair. The yogis can do that. Anima... Anima, laghima, prapti-siddhi... Whatever they like... Immediately he brought one demon. So...

But Vaisnava, Maharaja Ambarisa, he was neither yogi, nor he could display any yogic perfection. But he was protected by Krsna, by the Sudarsana-cakra. This is Vaisnava's... Vaisnavas do not require to practice any yogic power to become materially powerful. He doesn't require. Simply his surrender to Krsna makes him all-powerful. This is the position of Vaisnava. Vaisnavas, they do not care for all these yogic powers. They depend on Krsna. And who can be... Krsna is the yogesvara, all, master of... Yatra krsno... yatra yogesvarah krsnah. So if one takes shelter of the Yogesvara, the master of all mystic power, why he should bother about this yogic power? A poor man may try to earn money by hard labor, but one who is a very, very rich man's son, why should he labor? The father's money is sufficient. Similarly, a devotee, a sincere devotee, he is under the protection of Krsna. And under the protection of Krsna means under the protection of all six kinds of opulences: riches, then strength, then reputation, wisdom, renunciation, beauty -- the six kinds of opulence. Krsna, under... Yam labdhva caparam labham manyate nadhikam tatah. This is stated here.

Because if you get somehow or other Krsna's favor, then there is no question of any more profit. Sufficient profit. You have got everything. Simply be sincere to the service of Krsna. Then you have got everything. There is no need of trying for this or that. Yasmin sthito gurunapi duhkhena na vicalyate. If one is situated under the shelter of Krsna's lotus feet, then gurunapi duhkhena na vicalyate. If there is dangerous type of inconvenience, then he's not disturbed. He knows... Just like Ambarisa Maharaja, Prahlada Maharaja... There are many instances. His father, Hiranyakasipu, was giving him trouble, chastising. He was patient, not disturbed. So be sure that if you are, if you have actually taken shelter of the lotus feet of Krsna, there is no question of danger. Kaunteya pratijanihi na me bhaktah pranasyati. And Krsna confirms it: "Kaunteya, My dear Arjuna, you declare to the world that My devotee will be never vanquished by any enemy." That is Krsna's assurance. So why should we try to...

Of course, if Krsna's order is there, that is another thing. Just like Arjuna. Arjuna was ordered by Krsna, "You fight." When Krsna says, "You fight," you must fight. Not that Krsna says, "You fight," and you say, "No, I have taken Your shelter. Why shall I fight?" No, that is not. That is disobedience. When Krsna says, "You fight," you must fight. When... Our life should be that whatever Krsna says... That is full surrender. Or His representative says, that is my life. Visvanatha Cakravarti has explained in the Bhagavad-gita.

vyavasayatmika buddhir
ekeha kuru-nandana
bahu-sakha hy anantas ca
buddhayo 'vyavasayinam

So our... We should be fixed up on the order of Krsna coming through the spiritual master. Then our life is successful. This is the secret of success in spiritual life. Yasya prasadad bhagavat-prasadah **. This is assured. We have to please the spiritual master. And if he's pleased, then Krsna is pleased. The argument that "We do not see Krsna personally. How we can satisfy Him?"... You satisfy your spiritual master, then Krsna is pleased. Yasya prasadad bhagavat-prasado yasyaprasadat... **. And if you want to please directly Krsna, and show your spiritual master plantain, then na gatih kuto 'pi. It will be all useless. Yasya prasadad bhagavat-prasado yasyaprasadan na gatih kuto 'pi **.

So this Narada Muni's history is very interesting, that he was not educated, a boy, and not coming from cultured family -- maidservant's son. The only qualification was that nirupito balaka eva yoginam. He was engaged as a boy servant to the yogis. So how he got this opportunity? That is here: susrusane. Susrusane means in service; pravrsi, during the rainy season. Because saintly persons, mendicants, sannyasis, their business is to travel. Travel. When, of course, something established, then a sannyasi can rest, paramahamsa stage. When there are many disciples, workers, it is going on, then he can take rest. Otherwise it is the business of the sannyasi to travel.

So these yogis, or the sannyasis, they were traveling all over the world or all over the country or all over the province... Their business is traveling. But during rainy season, because it is very difficult... Formerly, there was no airplane. Or might be, but they were not traveling, walking. So for these four months, rainy season, they used to take shelter at a nice place in a pilgrimage and wait. Until the rainy season is finished, they would not go out. That is called caturmasya. This is the meaning of caturmasya. So Narada Muni got this opportunity. Now, you can calculate. This is knowledge. Then he had the opportunity to serve these yogis for four months only. Not more than that. And he became Narada. Just understand how much powerful is service to the Vaisnavas, devotees. And that is also confirmed in the Srimad-Bhagavatam:

abhira-sumbha yavanah khasadayah
ye 'nye ca papa yad-apasrayasrayah
sudhyanti tasmai prabhavisnave namah

Yad-apasrayasrayah means if anyone takes the shelter of the devotee, apasrayasrayah... A devotee takes the shelter of Krsna's lotus feet, and if somebody else takes the shelter of the lotus feet of the devotee, sudhyanti, becomes purified. This is our Krsna consciousness movement. And who becomes purified? Kirata-hunandhra-pulinda-pulkasa abhira-sumbha ya...

All the people who are less than the sudras. They are called pancamas, fifth grade. First grade, brahmana, second grade, ksatriya, third grade, vaisya, fourth grade, sudra, and all others -- fifth grade. They are called candalas. The candalas... The sweeper, the cobbler, and the... Low grade. Still, in India, these fifth-grade persons only, they eat meat, pigs, and sometimes cows. Fifth grade. Now it has become a practice. And he's a first-grade man. So just see. What was the business of the fifth-grade men, that has become the business of the so-called politicians. You see. So if you are ruled by the fifth-grade men, then how you can be happy? That is not possible. How there can be any social tranquillity? That is not possible. But even the fifth-grade man, he can be purified by Krsna consciousness movement. Therefore there is great need of this movement. Because at the present moment there is no first-class men, no first-grade men, no second-grade men. Maybe third grade, fourth grade, fifth grade, sixth grade, like that. But they can be purified. That is... The only process is this Krsna consciousness movement. Anyone can be purified. Mam hi partha vyapasritya ye 'pi syuh papa-yonayah [Bg. 9.32]. They are called papa-yoni, born in low-grade, sinful family. Papa-yoni. Krsna says, ye 'pi syuh papa-yonayah. Never mind what kind of papa-yoni. Mam hi partha vyapa... "If he takes shelter of Me, then..." That shelter can be taken because Krsna's representative is canvassing.

So there is no scarcity. Simply one has to take shelter of him. That's all. Just like Caitanya Mahaprabhu's mission is to create this canvasser. "Go everywhere." Amara ajnaya guru hana tara' ei desa [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. "Go." He used to send Nityananda Prabhu, Haridasa Thakura and, to canvass, "Please chant Hare Krsna. Please chant Hare Krsna. Please surrender to Krsna." Also there was a crowd on the street. Nityananda Prabhu and Haridasa Thakura saw, and they asked, "What is this crowd?" "No, there are two brothers, Jagai and Madhai, very troublesome. They are drunkards, woman-hunters and meat-eaters, and they are, create always trouble." So Nityananda Prabhu immediately decided, "Why not deliver these persons first? Then My Lord's name will be glorified. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu's name will be glorified."

This is the business of the disciple, how to glorify the spiritual master, parampara. I glorify my spiritual master, you glorify your spiritual master. If we simply do that, glorify, then Krsna is glorified. That was the decision of Nityananda Prabhu, that "Why not deliver these fallen souls first?" Because Caitanya Mahaprabhu's incarnation is to deliver the fallen souls. And in... And there is no scarcity of fallen souls in this age.

patita-pavana-hetu tava avatara,
mo sama patita prabhu na paibe ara

Narottama dasa Thakura is placing himself to the lotus feet of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, that "My dear Lord, Your incarnation is to reclaim all these fallen souls. But I am the lowest of the fallen souls. So my claim is first. Kindly deliver me." Mo sama patita prabhu na paibe ara. "You are, Your determination is to deliver the fallen. So I am the first-class fallen. Please accept me."

So Kali-yuga, people are suffering. They're all fallens, all meat-eaters, all drunkards, all fifth-grade, sixth-grade men. They are puffed-up, but actually they are fifth-, sixth-and tenth-grade men, not even gentlemen. Therefore my Guru Maharaja used to say that "No gentleman can live here. The society is so polluted." And... But the, there is opportunity of serving Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Because the society is so fallen, therefore there is good opportunity to serve Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Because Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu's incarnation is to reclaim these fallen souls. So you have got the opportunity to serve Sri Caitan..., to please Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu because He wanted the fallen souls to be delivered. Krsna also wanted. Yada yada hi glanir bhavati bharata, dharmasya glanir bhavati bharata. Krsna comes... This is... God's business is going on like that. He's very anxious to reclaim all these rascals, rotting in this material world. Krsna is always anxious. He comes Himself. He comes as devotee. He comes..., sends His bona fide servant, bona fide son.

So this is Krsna's concern, to reclaim all these fallen souls. Therefore these are the opportunity. The yoginis, the yoginah, they are traveling all over the world. Only during the rainy season they were resting. Not that in other seasons eating and sleeping only. No. Because in the rainy season, to travel, there is inconvenience, therefore only four months. So during the four months, wherever they stay, simply being served by somebody as, like a boy servant, they become delivered. There was no question of preaching. Simply giving the opportunity to serve, the fallen souls become delivered. But you must be competent, not to take service for nothing. Then you'll go to hell. If you are actually in spiritual position, then by giving others little opportunity to serve you, he'll be delivered. No question of understanding the philosophy. A devotee must be so perfect. The system is, therefore, as soon as one sees a devotee, he falls down and takes the..., touches the feet. This is the system. Because by touching the feet... Mahat-pada-rajo-'bhisekam. If one is actually elevated to the spiritual life and he is, mean, takes, the people takes the opportunity of touching his lotus feet, then he becomes devotee. This is the process.

So here, how he became Narada Muni will be described. But here it is said... One thing is that when you are liberated... Just like in the Bhagavad-gita it is said that tyaktva deham punar janma naiti mam eti [Bg. 4.9]. You become an associate of Narayana, Krsna, Visnu. Then you can remember your past lives. Remember your past lives. Just like you can remember your dreams, "I was dreaming like that." So this is all dream. Our, this life, at the present moment, because this body is false, so whatever we are acting, it is just like dream. Just like in dream at night we also work. So this is gross dream and that is subtle dream. But real life is spiritual life. But we foolish people, we are taking this life as permanent life, permanent settlement. It is not permanent settlement. Here is..., Narada Muni's saying, aham pura atita-bhave abhavam. Atita-bhave. This nature... Just like everything material... Bhutva bhutva praliyate. It appears for some time like bubbles in the ocean, few seconds. Again finished. The whole cosmic manifestation in which we are millions and millions of years, it is just like a bubble in the ocean. It is just like a bubble. Bhutva bhutva praliyate. It is said in the Bhagavad-gita.

So Narada Muni confirms that "Formerly, in the millennium..." That is Brahma's night. When Brahma's night comes, everything becomes devastated in water. Sahasra-yuga-paryantam ahar yad brahmano viduh [Bg. 8.17]. First of all sahasra-yuga. One yuga means forty-three hundred thousands of years. Multiply it by one thousand. That is the period of manifestation. Now, what is the period? Forty-three lakhs of years, and multiply it by a thousand. How many years?

Devotee: Four billion.

Svarupa Damodara: Four point three billions.

Prabhupada: Eh?

Svarupa Damodara: Four point three billions.

Prabhupada: Four point three billions of years this thing will go on. And then again, for... This is ksana-pralaya. (?) Ksana-pralaya means when Brahma's day and night. But there is maha-pralaya. That will stay we do not know how many millions of years. So this is called millennium. So Narada Muni remembers this. Therefore he says, aham pura atita-bhave. This is called bhava, bhava. Bhava means to come into existence and again finish. Just like this bhava-samsara. It is called bhava-samsara. Bhava-samsara means I have got this body, and it will be finished. Again I shall get another body. Again it will be finished. So where is the science to understand these things? Who can explain? Where is the scientist? Pura atita-bhave? Is there any scientist? Is there? So what is their knowledge? Very meager knowledge. Two plus two. That's all. (laughs) And they're very much proud. Who can explain this? Pura atita-bhave. They do not know pura, they do not know atita, bhave. And abhavam. And "I existed. And I can remember." Is that perfection possible? But this is a fact. It is a fact. One may believe or not believe. They are making research institute, big, big... Yesterday Bon Maharaja was speaking... What is this research? Research here. And Narada Muni says that "In my previous life I was like this." Where is, where is the research?

So comparing this or comparing that, real research is here. If actually one is research scholar, "Now, what does this Bhagavata says? Pura atita-bhave. What is this?" Go on researching. That is required. That is real research work. So pura atita-bhave abhavam mune. Mune. He's addressing Vyasadeva, mune. "So I was the son of a maidservant, and I was engaged as the boy servant of yogis, and they were taking rest for four months. So I had the opportunity of serving them four months as their boy servant. Just to take, whatever they left, prasadam, I used to take. To wash their dishes or to wash their cloth. In this way he got the opportunity of serving perfect devotees for four months," and he became Narada. This is the importance. This is the importance, that simply by rendering... Svalpam apy asya dharmasya trayate mahato bhayat. He became Narada means he was saved from the mahato bhayat, very great, fearful, dangerous position.

What is that fearful, dangerous position? They do not care. We are so fool that we are always on the brink of dangerous position... If we don't utilize this life properly, I may fall down again to the cycle of birth and death. Tatha dehantara-praptih. I shall get another body. There is no guarantee what kind of body I am going to get. I do not know. This foolish civilization is going. Save them by this Krsna consciousness. That is the best welfare activity.

Thank you very much. (end)
Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.5.23 --  Vrndavana, August 4, 1974

Pradyumna: Translation: "Learned circles have positively concluded that the infallible purpose of the advancement of knowledge, namely austerities, study of the Vedas, sacrifice, chanting of hymns and charity, culminates in the transcendental descriptions of the Lord, who is defined in choice poetry."

Devotee: Would you like the stand to be lower?

Prabhupada: No.

idam hi pumsas tapasah srutasya va
svistasya suktasya ca buddhi-dattayoh
avicyuto 'rthah kavibhir nirupito
 [SB 1.5.22]

So this is our mission, that find out the original cause. That is scientific research. All the scientists, they are trying to find out the original cause. That is advancement of education. They are analyzing one after another. But till now, they could not find it out. Big, big scientists have tried. But they could not... Only theory: "This is the original cause. This is the original cause."

But we do not depend on the theories. We depend on the Vedic conclusion. We do not require to make any research. Just like ordinarily we say there are 900,000 forms of body in the water. We get it from Vedic knowledge. Jalaja nava-laksani. Now, the biologists, let them confirm it. Or deny it. Because... They cannot confirm it because their knowledge is experimental. Unless they find it actually, by actual experience, that there are so many living forms within the water, they cannot say yes. Neither they are able to find it out. Is it not the position? First of all, if we say to the biologists that "There are 900,000 different forms of life or species within the water," they will say, "How it is you are affirming in, so positively, without experiment, without research?" They'll say. Then we'll ask, "Then you say." That they cannot say. This is their position. They'll say, "In future..." Future, there is no question. You do not know now. Admit this. So this is their position. Therefore this experimental knowledge is always imperfect. Always imperfect. It cannot be perfect. Because our experience, our power of perception, advancement of knowledge, they are imperfect. They are deficiency.

Therefore, for perfect knowledge, you have to approach the perfect. We accept Lord Krsna as the perfect, and His bona fide representative is also perfect. How he is perfect? Krsna may be perfect, one may admit, but how his bona fide representative is also perfect? So the answer is the bona fide representative of Krsna, he does not say anything beyond Krsna. That is perfect. He may be imperfect. It doesn't matter. But he is receiving knowledge from the perfect, and he's simply repeating that knowledge. That is the instruction of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Yare dekha tare kaha, kaha krsna-katha. Yare dekha tare kaha krsna-katha.

yare dekha, tare kaha ‘krsna'-upadesa
amara ajnaya guru hana tara' ei desa
 [Cc. Madhya 7.128]

You don't speak your upadesa, your instruction. That is nonsense. What you are? That is the defect of the modern civilization. They simply want to instruct by his experience. But what is your experience? They're all imperfect. But they are persisting, "No, we cannot accept any knowledge without experiment." Is it not the position. Eh?

Svarupa Damodara: Experiments.

Prabhupada: Eh?

Svarupa Damodara: They're after.

Prabhupada: Now, that the scientists will say, "Why we shall accept Krsna's version as perfect?" Do they not say like that?

Svarupa Damodara: Yes, they ask.

Prabhupada: But they cannot give any perfect information, their theories. So our process is to take Krsna... Not only our, this is the parampara system. All the acaryas -- Ramanujacarya, Madhvacarya -- they take Krsna's version as perfect. And Caitanya Mahaprabhu says, therefore, that "You do not instruct anything which is manufactured by you. Do not instruct all these..." Because you are imperfect. You have manufactured all your theories. They are imperfect. Caitanya Mahaprabhu therefore says, yare dekha tare kaha krsna-upadesa [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. This is perfection. If you say Krsna's upadesa, instruction, then it is perfect. And if you say your experimental instruction, that is imperfect.

Here it is said that idam hi pumsas tapasah... Every knowledge... Just like here is our Dr. Svarupa Damodara. He has got the doctorate title. We have seen your book. It is a learned scholarship, research work. So that is nice. But he has admitted the original cause is Krsna. So we are asking everyone that "Whatever knowledge you have got..." It doesn't matter whether you are a chemist or physicist or an engineer or medical man... Any... There are so many. Lawyer, politician. So many departmental knowledge. So one becomes doctor and expert by high research work. For the last... How many years you were in USA?

Svarupa Damodara: I think five years.

Prabhupada: Five years. After five years hard work and placing the theses among the learned scholars, they admitted, "Yes, it is very nice research work." Now they have offered him a Ph.D. So it is tapasya. Tapasya. Without tapasya, you cannot get any credit. That is not possible. If one wants to get credit immediately, without tapasya, that is bogus. Therefore it is said, tapasah, and srutasya. Srutasya means hearing from the authorities. By attending lectures of the professors, of the scientific scholars, hearing. Or Vedic knowledge.

So anyway, everyone is getting knowledge, perfection, by tapasya, by austerity, by learned scholarship. So here it is said that, that these things are required for describing Krsna. These things are required for describing Krsna. Not only on the theory, but actually to prove that this knowledge is there, Krsna is full of all opulences, and... It is said... Jnana, jnana-vairagyayos caiva sannam bhaga itingana. Eh? What is the beginning? Aisvaryasya samagrasya viryasya yasasah sriyah. Krsna means He's the full opulent Personality of Godhead with all riches, all reputation, all beauty, all knowledge. That you have to prove. Any department of knowledge, you have to prove that it..., this knowledge is coming from Krsna. Sarva-karana-karanam [Bs. 5.1].

isvarah paramah krsnah
anadir adir govindah
 [Bs. 5.1]

That is Krsna consciousness. (aside:) Let him sit down properly. That is scholarship. You make research work, but... In the sastra it is said that Krsna is the original person of this departmental knowledge. Suppose you are a lawyer. So Krsna gives the law. This is research work. Just actually Krsna gives. What is Krsna gives? Sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja [Bg. 18.66]. This is law. The first giver of law is Krsna, that "You give up all nonsense. Surrender unto Me." This is law. Then you'll understand everything. Man-mana bhava mad-bhakto mad-yaji mam namaskuru [Bg. 18.65]. Religion means the law given by Krsna, or God. That is religion. Otherwise, it is not religion. That is cheating. Dharmah projjhita-kaitavo 'tra [SB 1.1.2]. This is cheating religion. If you do not follow Krsna, that is cheating.

"Krsna" means... When I say "Krsna," Krsna means God. God is one. That is Krsna. Others, they admit that God is one. But they do not know who is that one God. That is their defect. That is the difference between us and others. They do not know... Just like if I say that "Have you got any father?" So he'll say, "Yes, I have got my father." "Now, who is your father?" "I do not know." That's not a very good credit. Because without father, mother, there is no existence. So everyone knows I have got a father. But who is my father, that I do not know. At least, in India, one who cannot say his father's name, immediately he becomes degraded. Just like the Jabala Satyakama. Jabala Satyakama, he, he was... He went to Gautama Muni, "Please initiate me." And according to Vedic conclu..., initiation is meant for the brahmana. Brahmana, ksatriya and vaisya. Not for the sudras. Sudras are not initiated. And in the Kali-yuga, because everyone is a sudra, therefore he's first of all given training to become a brahmana. Then the sacred thread is offered. This is the process. Because actually, initiation cannot be given to anyone except a brahmana. So kalau sudra-sambhavah: "In the Kali-yuga, everyone is sudra." That is to be accepted without any disagreement. Kalau sudra-sambhavah. Because they have no samskara. Asamskrtah kriya-hina mlecchah. One who is not undergone the reformatory processes, garbhadhana-samskara, upanayana-samskara... There are ten kinds of samskaras, reformatory. One who has not gone, or one who is not permitted to undergo the samskara, he's sudra. Samskarad bhaved dvijah. Everyone is born sudra. By reformatory method, he becomes twice-born -- by the spiritual master and Vedic knowledge. Vedic knowledge is the mother, and spiritual master is the father.

In this way, the Jabala Upanisad... He was asked by his, by Gautama Muni, "Who is your father?" So he said that "I do not know." "Then go to your mother. Ask her." The mother could not say, that "I do not know who is your father. I have connection with so many men." So he came back to Gautama Muni, "Sir, my mother also does not know." She said that she had many connections, ‘I do not who is particularly your father.' " But Gautama Muni immediately accepted him, "Yes, you are brahmana, because you are truthful. Nobody dares to say like that, that ‘I do not know my father's name. My mother said that she had many connections.' " Because he was truthful, satyam samo damas titiksa, so by the quality, he was accepted immediately, and he was initiated, that "You have the qualities of brahmana." A brahmana will speak truth, even to his enemy. If the enemy comes, if a rogue comes, "How much money you have got in your box?" a brahmana will say, "Sir, I have got one hundred dollars." (laughs) Just like the other day, in the Customs examination in Bombay, so our Brahmananda Maharaja was asked, "What is the value?" "No, I have purchased it." "What is the value?" "Two hundred dollars." He did not say that "I am using it for long time." No. "It is new. I have purchased." That's all right. Yes. But Kali-yuga is so implicated that sometimes we have to speak the untruth. But it is the business of the brahmana to speak the truth. No untruth.

So, so in this way our proposition is that if we want perfection, then in whatever position we are, either I am a brahmana, or I am a ksatriya, or I am a vaisya, or I am a sudra -- it doesn't matter, if we simply take this vow, that Krsna is the original cause of everything... A sudra is also a, the original cause is Krsna. Krsna says in the Srimad-Bhagavatam that He is the cause of the sudras. You should not hate anyone, because everyone is born of Krsna. Aham bija-pradah pita. Krsna says. Sarva-yonisu. It doesn't matter in what form the living entity is there, but Krsna claims that He is the father, He is the father. So either brahmana or ksatriya or vaisya or sudra or mleccha, yavana, or white, black, European, American -- anyone -- he should know that the original cause is Krsna. This is perfection of life.

idam hi pumsas tapasah srutasya va
svistasya suktasya ca buddhi-dattayoh
avicyuto 'rthah kavibhir nirupito
 [SB 1.5.22]

So if everyone says that "Original cause of my existence is Krsna," this is Krsna consciousness. It doesn't matter. Not that a brahmana... Brahmana is the mouth of Krsna, and ksatriya is the arm of Krsna, and vaisya is the belly of Krsna, and sudra is the leg of Krsna. But do we distinguish that "Here is Krsna's mouth, or head; all the flowers should be offered here, not to the leg"? Do we make any such distinction? When we worship Krsna, rather, our first duty is to offer to the lotus feet of Krsna. And Krsna says that sudra, in Bhagavata says, sudra is the leg. So there may be distinction of profession, occupation, caste, creed, color... It doesn't matter. But if everyone tries to become Krsna conscious, that "The original cause of my existence is Krsna," then there is life... Life is perfect. This is our Krsna consciousness movement. Not blindly, but by research work, that how the original cause is Krsna? Krsna says, aham sarvasya prabhavo mattah sarvam pravartate [Bg. 10.8]: "I am the original cause of everything. Everything emanates from Me." How can I deny that Krsna is not cause? This is Krsna consciousness. Therefore, those who are advanced devotee, he does not see anything else but Krsna. Because Krsna is the cause of everything. That is required. Therefore he's Krsna consciousness.

So we should not take anything neglectfully. Neither we should be careless to take care of Krsna's property, Krsna's living being, Krsna's house, Krsna's temple, Krsna's business, Krsna's... Everything Krsna's. Krsna. Isavasyam idam sarvam yat kinca jagatyam jagat. If we think like that, then that is perfect Krsna consciousness. Man-mana bhava mad-bhaktah. We may think, see varieties of things. It doesn't matter. But if we know that the original cause of this thing is Krsna, that is perfection. We are seeing this table. It is wood. But if we know... It is a fact. You know or not know, that doesn't matter. The original cause is Krsna. The microphone, the original cause is Krsna. These karatalas, the original cause is Krsna. This pitcher, original cause is Krsna. Everything. That is Krsna consciousness. And it is fact. Not that we are imagining. Just like... Take, for example, these material things. Material things, this table. It is... How it is caused by Krsna? Krsna says, bhumir apo 'nalo vayuh kham mano buddhir eva ca. Bhumi, this earth... Bhinna prakrtir me astadha: "That is My energy." So, so bhumi, the earth, is the cause of the tree, wood, and the wood is the cause of this table. Therefore, originally, Krsna is the cause of the table. There is no doubt about it. Anything you take. Either you take this wood or you take this water or this ether or chemical, the original cause is Krsna.

Now, to be ascertained, education, that why it is called Krsna is the origin. That is research work. How it has been...? Just like I give you the hint of research work that, Krsna says that "The earth is my energy, separated energy." And earth is the cause of the wood. And wood is the cause of the fire. Fire is the cause of melting... So many, so many. You can go. So idam hi pumsas tapasah...kavibhir nirupitah. Describe the attributes of Krsna. You can write. Just like you can write volumes of books on this table. If you are intelligent enough, you can make research work on the table. But in that research work, conclude that Krsna is the origin. A carpenter can, he can write about Krsna, if he's thoughtful. Anyone. Therefore it is said, yad-uttamasloka-gunanuvarnanam. Whatever your profession is there, you know that the original cause is Krsna. Now make research work and find out how Krsna is the original cause. That is education. That is wanted. Am I right?


Svarupa Damodara: Yes, Srila Prabhupada.

Prabhupada: Yes. So everyone can write books. Everyone wants to write books, wants to show some scholarship. Do it. But the conclusion should be that "Here is the original cause." And it is already said in the sastra... Krsna personally says that

aham sarvasya prabhavo
mattah sarvam pravartate
iti matva bhajante mam
budha bhava-samanvitah
 [Bg. 10.8]

This is budhah. Those who are actually educated, they're called budhah, in full knowledge.

So there are departmental knowledge. So by research work, when one understands that Krsna is the original cause of everything, then that is siddhanta. Therefore Caitanya-caritamrta karaca says that

siddhanta baliya citte na kara alasa
iha ha-ite krsne lage sudrdha manasa

Siddhanta, conclusion, try to study. Krsna says, "I am the origin of everything." So whatever subject matter you have got, you study. Then when you come to this conclusion, "Yes, actually Krsna is the original cause," then your devotion of Krsna immediately increases. If you accept blindly Krsna, that is one thing, another one thing. And if you study, make research work, and find out Krsna is the original cause, then your love for Krsna will increase. So this is required. This is required.

So this verse is very important thing. And everyone should make research work. But a devotee, one who has concluded, one who has perfectly known that Krsna is the original cause of everything, he hasn't got to do anything. His business is finished. He doesn't require any more to go, undergo severe austerities to find out whether Krsna is cause or not cause. Because he has already known. He has already known. Aradhito yadi haris tapasa tatah kim. No more tapasya. Chant Hare Krsna. But if you have got doubt, make research work. You'll have to come to the conclusion. But if you have concluded it, "Yes, Krsna is the original cause of everything," then your business is finished. Chant Hare Krsna. But if you have got doubt, then do it. That is your business. Don't be blind. Either you accept here the words of Krsna... Krsna says, "I am the original cause of everything." That's all right. If you believe that "Krsna says," it is all right. If you do not believe, then make the research and find out. That is perfection. In both ways you'll have to come to the...

Because the fact is fact. Either... Suppose somebody says, "Don't touch fire. It will burn your hand." If you accept it, your father's advice or your teacher's advice, "Don't touch fire," it is as good. And if you want to make research, "No, why shall I believe my father, my teacher. Let me experiment, touch," the result will be the same. Result will be the same. But if you want to make experiment, do it. But come to this conclusion, that Krsna is the original cause of everything. Then your life is perfect.
Thank you very much.

Devotees: Jaya, Srila Prabhupada. [break]

Pusta-krsna(?): ...translation... [break] ...Bhagavad-gita... [break]

Dayananda: ...Prabhupada...

Prabhupada: Hm.

Dayananda: What is that... [break]

Prabhupada: ...nice. I don't exactly... We have heard from authorities. There is no question of inquiring. What is the... Even if you don't quote, you can assert firmly that everyone is a sudra. How? Now, guna-karma-vibhagasah. Bhagavad-gita says this classification is made, guna-karma. So what is the karma at the present moment? They're seeking service. The so-called education means seeking service, master. Paricaryatmakam karma sudrasyapi svabhava-jam. This is sastra. Anyone who is attached to give service to others or, without giving service to others, he cannot live, that is, he's sudra. He has no independent existence. Just like I was showing, the dog. Unemployed. Lean and thin and... Because he has no master. The same dog, when he has got a master, he'll be stout and strong, and he'll, as soon as you... "Owf! Owf! Bow! (laughter) I have got my master." So this is sudra. Sudra is compared with the dog. A dog is never happy without a master. Then it is a street dog. That is the difference between household dog and a street dog. So in this age practically you see, unless there is employment, he's a street dog. That is the proof that everyone is a sudra. That is the proof.

Brahmananda: Brahmana is not to accept any employment.

Prabhupada: No. He'll die of starvation. He'll not accept any employment. That is brahmana. Ksatriya also that, and vaisya also. Only sudra. A vaisya will find out some business. He'll find out some business. So there is a practical story. One Mr. Nandi, long, long ago, in the Calcutta, he went to some friend that, "If you can give me a little capital, I can start some business." So he said, "You are vaisya? Mercantile?" "Yes." "Oh, you are asking money from me? Money's on the street. You can find out." So he said, "I don't find." "You don't find? What is that?" "That, that is a dead mouse." "That is your capital." Just see.

So in those days plague in Calcutta, plague was going on. So municipal declaration was any dead mouse brought to the municipal office, he'll be paid two annas. So he took that dead body of the mouse and took to the municipal office. He was paid two annas. So he purchased some rotten betel nuts with two annas, and washed it and sold it at four annas, or five annas. In this way, again, again, again, that man became so rich man. One of their family members was our Godbrother. Nandi family. That Nandi family still, they have got four hundred, five hundred men to eat daily. A big, aristocratic family. And their family's regulation is as soon as one son or daughter is born, five thousand rupees deposited in the bank, and at the time of his marriage, that five thousand rupees with interest, he can take it. Otherwise there is no more share in the capital. And everyone who lives in the family, he gets eating and shelter. This is their... But the original, I mean to say, establisher of this family, Nandi, he started his business with a red, a dead rat, or mouse.

That is actually fact, actually fact, that if one wants to live independently... In Calcutta I have seen. Even poor class vaisyas, and in the morning they'll take some dal, bag of dal, and go door to door. Dal is required everywhere. So in morning he makes dal business, and in evening he takes one canister of kerosene oil. So in the evening everyone will require. Still you'll find in India, they... Nobody was seeking for employment. A little, whatever he has got, selling some ground nuts or that peanuts. Something he's doing. After all, Krsna is giving maintenance to everyone. It is a mistake to think that "This man is giving me maintenance." No. Sastra says, eko yo bahunam vidadhati kaman. It is confidence in Krsna, that "Krsna has given me life, Krsna has sent me here. So He'll give me my maintenance. So according to my capacity, let me do something, and through that source, Krsna's maintenance will come." Just like we are maintaining so many people in the Krsna consciousness movement. So what business we are doing? But we are confident that Krsna will send us our maintenance. That confidence required. A sudra means he becomes disturbed. He becomes disturbed. "Oh, I have no employment. How shall I eat? Where shall I go? Where shall I live?" He has no faith in Krsna. The brahmana has got full faith. The ksatriya has got little less faith, the vaisya, little less faith, and the sudra has no faith. This is the difference.

So your question was that how we can know a sudra? That because everyone is now faithless and everyone is seeking after employment. Therefore... We may discuss in so many ways. Because people have become sudra, therefore the capitalists are exploiting them. If everyone denies to be, serve, then these so-called industries will fail. Immediately. That is Gandhi's proposal. "Noncooperate with the British government, and it will wind up." And actually so happened. Because people are now sudras, they depend for their bread to others, the others exploit them: "Come here. You work and I shall give you bread." They do not believe any more, "O God, give us our daily bread." They think that "This, our master give us daily bread." That is sudra. Sudra means one who is dependent on others. Paricaryatmakam karyam sudra-karma svabhava-jam. This is the description, definition of sudra. And vaisya: krsi-go-raksya-vanijyam vaisya-karma svabhava-jam [Bg. 18.44]. The vaisya is doing the krsi, agriculture. Why he should depend on...? Take some land from the government. You produce your food. Where is the difficulty? Keep some cows. You get milk. Vaisya-karma svabhava... Go-raksya. If you have got excess, then make trade. Why you should depend on others?

But they do not know. They want that "I shall go at ten o'clock in the office, and I shall do nothing. Simply I shall take the pen and make like this and take my salary." That's all. Cheating. This is going on. Therefore the whole system is polluted. Nobody's doing his duty. Catur-varnyam maya srstam guna-karma... [Bg. 4.13]. According to one's quality, one must work. But nobody wants to work. So therefore they are sudras. They are working, but at the care of somebody else. Not independently. Now the school, college, the teacher is also depending on salary. So they are sudras. So what teaching they will give? Teaching is the business of the brahmana. No salary. Formerly, all the brahmanas, they used to have that... It is called tola, catuspathi. Catuspathi. Brahmana, he'll sit down anywhere and invite that "If you like, you can come and take some teachings from me."
Brahmananda: Caitanya Mahaprabhu did that.

Prabhupada: Yes. So still in villages you'll find, the brahmana is sitting somewhere, and the small children are coming, and they're bringing some presentation. Somebody's bringing rice, somebody ... And brahmana was satisfied, satisfied. "Whatever Krsna sends, that's all right." This is brahminical qualification. He doesn't want more. There was a brahmana teacher in Krsnanagara. So the zamindar of Krsna..., Raja-krsna-candra, he went that "Brahmana, what can I help you?" "No, I don't want your help." "No, you are... Your house is not very good, and your..." "No, I am quite satisfied." "How you are pulling on?" "No, I have got my students. They bring some rice. And here is a tamarind tree. My wife collects some leaves and boils it, and that becomes nice soup. And these boys bring some rice. I am quite satisfied."

[break] " your production is there, give me twenty-five percent. I'll give you protection." That is ksatriya business. Brahmana's business, teaching. And vaisya: till the field, agriculture, get your food. Now, where is dependence? Only a sudra, he cannot take up all these things. "Give me some service, sir. Give me some service." In the modern education, they... The more and more industries increasing, there sudras are being trained up. Technology. Technology means he must get some service. Otherwise, useless. Simple life, teaching, brahmana; and ksatriya, give protection; and vaisya, till the ground. This is... Where is the question of scarcity? The scarcity is that nobody's doing his real duty. Guna-karma-vibhagasah. And people are exploiting. There is competition, dissatisfaction, fight. So many things, sinful activities. The whole society is polluted. Actually, the whole human society is now conducted by the sudras. But sudras cannot run on government. That is not possible. Because that sudra, your Nixon, is a sudra, he is exalted post, therefore everything is not in order.

Brahmananda: Ksatriyas should run the government?

Prabhupada: Oh, yes.

Brahmananda: And the brahmanas should give advice.

Prabhupada: Yes. That is Vedic system. The brahmanas would never take part in administration. They would give advice according to sastra.

Svarupa Damodara: I have a comment on that research.

Prabhupada: Hm.

Svarupa Damodara: You said that researches are all right, but there has to be a standard.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Svarupa Damodara: It has to be standardized.

Prabhupada: Yes. Research.

Svarupa Damodara: Yes.

Prabhupada: Yes. So that is the business of the research scholar, how to make it standardized. Everything is standardized. Just like you have found the molecules, protons, and... They are working in a standardized way. They are not working whimsically there. There is standard process.

Svarupa Damodara: And what is that standard? What is that standard of research?

Prabhupada: The standard is already there. Is not that?

Svarupa Damodara: Yes, but...

Prabhupada: Standard is already there. Krsna has already made the standard. Our intelligence is to know how the standard has come.

Svarupa Damodara: So we say that brahma-jijnasa is a standard. Is that, is that...? Is that okay?

Prabhupada: Brahma-jijnasa means... Anything you take, it is working in a standard way. Just like the sun is rising. So the brahma-jijnasa means how the sun is rising exactly in time? Who has made this rule? And in astronomy there is very fine calculation, one ten-thousandth part of a minute or something like that? I have heard from you scientists. They, they make calculation of the movement of the sun, that. In astrology also, the moment is calculated like that. If the exact moment is there, by mathematical calculation, he can give you the exact history of your whole life. This is standard, all standard. Niyamitah. Yasyajnaya bhramati kala-cakrah. There is, Brahma-samhita says:

yac-caksur esa savita sakala-grahanam
raja samasta-sura-murtir asesa-tejah
yasyajnaya bhramati sambhrta-kala-cakro
govindam adi-purusam tam aham bhajami

How exactly the sun and the moon and the planets, they are rotating? How? Yasyajnaya, by whose order? That Govinda, adi-purusa, I offer my respectful... Everywhere you'll find the research.

Svarupa Damodara: But the difference between the transcendentalists and the scientists is that they do not know the standard of research.

Prabhupada: Yes. Therefore we say they are fools. Why do we say mudhah? Because they do not know. And our business is easy. We take Vedic version, Krsna's version, Brahma's version, Vyasadeva's version, and accept. That's all. Which one is easiest? Our business is very simple. You ask your father... A child asks his father, "Father, what is this?" The father says, "This is microphone, my dear child." And he will, "Mother, this is microphone." So when he says this "Mother, this is microphone," is he correct or not?

Svarupa Damodara: Yes, he is.

Prabhupada: He's correct. He may be child. But because he has accepted the words of his father, the statement is correct. So our process is that. Take the version of the authority, Krsna, and you repeat it. Your version is perfect. This is our policy. Therefore Caitanya Mahaprabhu says, "You rascal scholar, philosopher, scientist, don't manufacture anything. Yare dekha tare kaha krsna-upadesa [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. That's all. You become master." Yare dekha tare kaha krsna-upadesa [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. You become master. You can teach others. A spiritual master. That's all. And if, whatever little success I have got -- only for this reason. I have never said anything which is not spoken by Krsna. I never said, "In my opinion." I never said. You are so many students. I never said that to you. What is my opinion? One should know, "What is the value of my opinion? I am imperfect being." This is called trnad api sunicena taror api sahisnuna. If one thinks, "Oh, I am big scholar. I am this. I am that," you are rascal. You have to simply carry the message of Krsna. But for your understanding you can make research work.

Svarupa Damodara: That is the secret.

Prabhupada: Yes, that is the secret.

yasya deve para bhaktir
yatha deve tatha gurau
tasyaite kathita hy arthah
prakasante mahatmanah
 [SU 6.23]

If one has got unflinching faith in Krsna and his representative, guru, then all the knowledge will be revealed to him automatically. Just like yourself. You are a big scientist. You have talked with me, you have studied with me, and you have examined me in so many ways. And I have also spoken whatever I had knowledge. Unless you are convinced, how you can say that "You are my spiritual master"? So what is the secret? I am not a scientist. I am not M.A., C.A How do you agree to accept me as spiritual master? Because I stick to this principle, Krsna and guru, that's all. This is the secret of guru.

So today is Baladeva avirbhava. Baladeva, in the strength. Nayam atma bala-hinena labhyah. You cannot understand, realize yourself without the help of Baladeva. Therefore in the Vedic literatures: nayam atma bala-hinena labhyah. You cannot become self-realized without the help of, without the mercy of Baladeva. Now, our Vivekananda Swami, he interpreted that "Unless you become stout and strong like the bulls and the buffalo, you cannot realize self." He interpreted like that. So he engaged people to make gymnastics, exercise. "You become very stout and strong, eat meat, and..." This is going on. This philosophy is going on. Bala-hinena... "Unless you become as strong as a tiger, you cannot realize yourself." This interpretation is going on. Bala-hinena labhyah. Therefore they are... Always they put this argument, that "Our countrymen is suffering. There is no food. First of all we must give them food, make them strong, stout. Then we shall talk about Krsna consciousness." Do they not say like that?

Brahmananda: Yes.

Prabhupada: This is another nonsense. Bala-hinena does not mean this physical strength. Bala-hin... Bala, bala means spiritual strength, Baladeva. Baladeva is spiritual strength. Nityananda. Balarama haila nitai.

Brahmananda: Hina, hina. Bala-hina?

Prabhupada: Hina means without. And bala means strength. So sastra says, nayam atma bala-hinena labhyah: "One who is less strong, or one who has no support of the strength, then he cannot make any progress in spiritual self-realization." This is the Vedic injunction. So they interpret that unless you become physically strong, you cannot make any spiritual advancement. So...? But in the Western countries we have seen, so many people physically very strong, stout and strong. Practically everyone. But what is their self..., advancement in self-realization? So these things are going on. So bala means spiritual strength, not material strength. Nayam atma bala-hinena labhyah. That means one must be spiritually strong. And that spiritually strong means to have good faith in Krsna and guru. That is spiritual strength. Therefore Baladeva means guru, spiritual strength. Balarama haila nitai. Nitaiyer karuna habe... What is that song? Nitaiyer karuna habe vraje radha-krsna pabe. He is... "If there is mercy of Nitai, then..." That Visansena(?), call him. (calls out to someone who is apparently leaving) Serji, aiye na? (Hindi)

Indian: (Hindi)

Prabhupada: Aiye, saheb.

Indian: (Hindi)

Prabhupada: Aiye.

Indian: (Hindi) What is... What shall I do, coming?

Prabhupada: Sit down. You can make some space. Aiye.

Indian: (Hindi)

Prabhupada: [break] ...the verse from Srimad-Bhagavatam,

idam hi pumsas tapasah srutasya va
svistasya suktasya ca buddhi-dattayoh
avicyuto 'rthah kavibhir nirupito
 [SB 1.5.22]

That everyone is situated in some business, occupation. So it is the duty of the person, never mind in whatever occupation he is engaged, uttamasloka-gunanuvarnanam, to glorify the Supreme Lord. It doesn't matter whether he is a medical man or he is an engineer or a lawyer, or whatever he may be, politician... His only business is by his occupational duties to glorify the Supreme Personality of Godhead. This is the basic principle of Krsna consciousness movement. We do not advise that you change your place. There is no need of changing place. Sthane sthitah. This is the Brahma's version. Sthane sthitah sruti-gatam tanu-van-manobhih. You remain your, in your occupation, your position, but kindly hear. Therefore we have got so many sastras, Vedic... Therefore the Vedic literature is known as sruti. One has to hear. But that education is lacking. Nobody is hearing the Vedic literatures. They are hearing so many other things, but not... Therefore Bhagavata says, srotavyadini rajendra nrnam santi sahasrasah. Srotavyadini. The business is to hear.


srotavyadini rajendra
nrnam santi sahasrasah
apasyatam atma-tattvam
grhesu grha-medhinam
 [SB 2.1.2]

Grhesu. We are now compact in our home. You take universal home or your house home or this body home, we are within. So grhesu grha-medhinam. Because we have taken that the home business is everything. Grhesu grha-medhinam. And who has taken like this? Apasyatam atma-tattvam [SB 2.1.2], one who cannot see the, "What is the value of my existence," atma-tattvam. So for them, srotavyadini rajendra nrnam santi sahasrasah [SB 2.1.2], they have got many things to hear. Here, of course, in India, we have got newspaper, four pages, five pages, but in the foreign countries, especially in America, they'll present newspaper, so big. Therefore there is paper scarcity. You see? Unnecessarily printing so much, huge quantity of newspapers. And people... Sometimes they do not touch it. The newspaper man throws in everyone's bungalow, and it is lying for three days. So who is going to read? But they are making their business because they get advertisement. In the... Many news. So they have got to hear or understand so many news, but not this Bhagavatam. They'll devote the whole day for reading this newspaper or some fiction or some novels, for this and that. Some political talks and... But they have no time to hear Srimad-Bhagavatam and Bhagavad-gita. Apasyatam atma... Because they have no, no interest in self-realization. There is no interest. People have lost all interest. This is the position. Therefore this Krsna consciousness movement is essential at the present moment.

Now, these European and Americans, they have enough heard about all these nonsense. Therefore they are anxious to hear about self-realization.

srotavyadini rajendra
nrnam santi sahasrasah
apasyatam atma-tattvam
grhesu grha-medhinam
 [SB 2.1.2]

(Hindi) He was punishable. It was the duty of the government to see that "You are posing yourself as brahmana. Whether you are doing the duty of a brahmana?" If he's not doing, then he was punished. Therefore nobody was unemployed. A brahmana is doing his duty, ksatriya's doing his duty, vaisya his duty. We get this information from Maharaja Prthu's kingdom. He, he was very strict, that whether one is doing his duty. Catur-varnyam maya srstam guna-karma-vibhagasah [Bg. 4.13]. If the brahmana is doing his duty, the ksatriya is doing his duty, and vaisya is doing his duty, then where is the unemployment? And it is the duty of the government to see that everyone is doing his duty.

Indian: (indistinct)

Prabhupada: No, no. Society means this combination of all these men. So if everyone is doing his duty, then it is quite all right. That is perfect society. Society means some combination of men. So if every man perfectly does his duty, then there is no question of imperfect...

Indian: (indistinct)

Prabhupada: Yes. That is the difficulty. That is the difficulty. That I was explaining, that at the present moment mostly persons, they are sudras. Just like in your body there are four divisions. Your head division, your arm division, your belly division, and your leg division. And if you cut off everything, simply you keep the legs, then what will be done? So at the present moment there is no brahmana, no ksatriya. Maybe some vaisyas only. Only sudras. Therefore there is chaos. If the division is made, kept, as it is advised in the Bhagavad-gita, catur-varnyam maya srstam guna-karma-vibhagasah [Bg. 4.13], according to guna and karma, then the society is maintained very nicely, properly. If your head is working nicely, if your arms are working nicely, if your stomach is working nicely, leg is working..., then you are fit. But if you have got only legs, and head, there is no head, there is no arm, then what is the...? Dead society.

So we are giving education at the present moment to become sudras. Paricaryatmakam karyam sudra-karma svabhava-jam. To serve others. A brahmana will not serve anyone else. A ksatriya will not serve anyone else. A vaisya will not serve anyone else. Only the sudras. So at the present moment we are giving sudra education. Everyone is taking one application: "Give me some service." "No vacancy, sir." Therefore it is said, kalau sudra-sambhavah. In the Kali-yuga everyone is sudra. And how you can have good government by the sudras? Ksatriya required. Just like Maharaja Pariksit. He was touring. As soon as he saw one man is killing cow, "Who are you, rascal, killing cow in my kingdom?" Ksatriya. Give protection. Even to the cows. Praja means one who has taken birth in that land. Why he should not be given protection? But because they are sudras, they do not know what is the ksatriya's duty, what is the government's duty. This is the position. Am I right or wrong?

Indian: (indistinct)

Prabhupada: No, I am speaking according to our sastras.

Indian: (indistinct)

Prabhupada: No, no. In those days the whole planet was Bharatavarsa. Therefore it is called Mahabharata.

Indian: (indistinct)

Prabhupada: That was not small. That was very big. Pariksit Maharaja was going on tour because he was the emperor of the whole planet.

Indian: (indistinct)

Prabhupada: Now it is divided.

Indian: (indistinct)

Prabhupada: No, that was another thing. That was for, fight for the right cause. Not for... It may be politically like that, but the division was there, brahmana, ksatriya, vaisya, sudra. And the last, Krsna's compromising plan was that "After all, they are ksatriyas, these five brothers. They cannot take the business of a vaisya or brahmana. So give them five villages so that they may be satisfied, ruling over these..." "No, not even land holding the upper portion of the needle." Then there was fight. Then there was fight.

So as far as possible... Of course, our, this movement is creating brahmanas. People now require a brahmana, the head. Of course, we are not manufacturing anything. Everything is there. Everything is there in the sastra. We do not invent anything. Yah sastra-vidhim utsrjya vartate kama-karatah. The, we, are trying to follow as far as possible, and we are teaching that, that whatever is there...

Indian: (indistinct)

Prabhupada: You are coming from Burdow?(?)

Indian: (indistinct)

Prabhupada: Near Lucknow?

Indian: No.

Indian: Bareilly.

Prabhupada: Bareilly. Oh.

Indian: (indistinct)

Prabhupada: Oh. (end)
Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.5.22 --  Vrndavana, August 3, 1974


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