Scriptural supports for proving Brahman as effulgence of Bhagavan?

3f21ivo10p1mx April 26, 2015 at 10:34am

how nice from you thinking for my benefit, i realy apreciate that.

SB 12.3.25 — In the Kali age people tend to be greedy, ill-behaved and merciless, and they fight one another without good reason. Unfortunate and obsessed with material desires, the people of Kali-yuga are almost all śūdras and barbarians.

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Matthew 7:1-3
¹Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
²For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged,
and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
³"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye
and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

Ashwin Balaganeshan > 3f21ivo10p1mx April 26, 2015 at 3:54pm

haribol thank you dear devotees for contributing to the topic. It seems that we have deviated from the original topic, lets leave it here, or it'd be useless prajalpa.

jai shree krishna!

3f21ivo10p1mx April 25, 2015 at 2:19pm

how sad it is that many people in this world think that they are religious or even saints.

because they are to proud and have stone hearts they never reach bhakty, despite all the effort.

there is no human mortal being more qualified to talk about criticizing then sri narada :

SB 7.1.23 — The great sage Śrī Nāradajī said: O King, blasphemy and praise, chastisement and respect, are experienced because of ignorance. The body of the conditioned soul is planned by the Lord for suffering in the material world through the agency of the external energy.

SB 7.1.24 — My dear King, the conditioned soul, being in the bodily conception of life, considers his body to be his self and considers everything in relationship with the body to be his. Because he has this wrong conception of life, he is subjected to dualities like praise and chastisement.

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sri yudhishtira suprisedly asked sri narada ,

how its possible that sisupala and dhantavakra was not attacked by desease ,

being healthy after so many offences to sri krishna ?

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SB 7.1.17 — O great sage, we are all eager to know the cause for this mercy of the Lord. I have heard that formerly a king named Vena blasphemed the Supreme Personality of Godhead and that all the brāhmaṇas consequently obliged him to go to hell. Śiśupāla should also have been sent to hell. How then did he merge into the Lord’s existence?

SB 7.1.18 — From the very beginning of his childhood, when he could not even speak properly, Śiśupāla, the most sinful son of Damaghoṣa, began blaspheming the Lord, and he continued to be envious of Śrī Kṛṣṇa until death. Similarly, his brother Dantavakra continued the same habits.

SB 7.1.19 — Although these two men — Śiśupāla and Dantavakra — repeatedly blasphemed the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Lord Viṣṇu [Kṛṣṇa], the Supreme Brahman, they were quite healthy. Indeed, their tongues were not attacked by white leprosy, nor did they enter the darkest region of hellish life. We are certainly most surprised by this.

SB 7.1.20 — How was it possible for Śiśupāla and Dantavakra, in the presence of many exalted persons, to enter very easily into the body of Kṛṣṇa, whose nature is difficult to attain?

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sri yudhistira was surprised because usually person envy on lord is attacked by desease.

as sri narada explained jaya and vijaya incarnated three times :

as hiryanaksa and hiranyakashipu, as ravana and kubhakarna ,as sisupala and dhantavakra.

despite all enmity toward lord, because they were thinking on lord they return back to vaikutha.

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SB 7.1.26 — Therefore by enmity or by devotional service, by fear, by affection or by lusty desire — by all of these or any one of them — if a conditioned soul somehow or other concentrates his mind upon the Lord, the result is the same, for the Lord, because of His blissful position, is never affected by enmity or friendship.

SB 7.1.31 — My dear King Yudhiṣṭhira, the gopīs by their lusty desires, Kaṁsa by his fear, Śiśupāla and other kings by envy, the Yadus by their familial relationship with Kṛṣṇa, you Pāṇḍavas by your great affection for Kṛṣṇa, and we, the general devotees, by our devotional service, have obtained the mercy of Kṛṣṇa.

3f21ivo10p1mx April 24, 2015 at 9:04pm

in kaliyuga every religion has own irreligious principles following king arhat as sri shuka mentioned.

for example : christians and muslims killing animals for food, budhists dont accept original vedas,

and hindus accepted jain adharma and other new age spiritual paths based on sense enjoyment and economic progress.

saying that is not criticizing.

on another side vaishnava who dont see the same god present in all other religions,

criticizing and disrespecting all others way of adoring god, is envy on same god which he is adoring.

personalism and impersonalism are both aspects of the same lord sri krishna.

SB 7.1.19 — Although these two men — Śiśupāla and Dantavakra — repeatedly blasphemed the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Lord Viṣṇu [Kṛṣṇa], the Supreme Brahman, they were quite healthy. Indeed, their tongues were not attacked by white leprosy, nor did they enter the darkest region of hellish life. We are certainly most surprised by this.

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sri krishna is brahman or param brahman.

3f21ivo10p1mx > 3f21ivo10p1mx April 24, 2015 at 9:17pm

its good to notice in above sloka that offenders to god are likely to be attacked first by desease,

therefore vaishnava who avoiding to make offence to god is always healthy , without any doubt.

Sevak

Bharat April 24, 2015 at 12:32am

Hare Krsna Siddharth Pr

You are right. All great vaishnava acaryas have liberally disapproved the false religions, false conceptions, pretentious devotion and tried their best to remove all obstacles in allowing the mercy of Krsna to reach conditioned souls.

Nonetheless unscrupulous pretenders time and again try to misinterpret and misrepresent the simple teachings of devotion to god simply for their own deviant purposes.

Sevak

Bharat > Bharat April 24, 2015 at 12:51am

Like even here this statement by Haridas thakur is said in a particular context. Context is that Haridas Thakur who was born in muslim family was chanting Hare Krsna. This was considered improper both by muslims and hindus. Muslims thought being muslim he should not chant Hindu god's name. Hindus thought our god's name is being contaminated by muslim. To enlighten them Haridas thakur said that Muslim god allah and hindu god Krsna are the same. So if hindus hate allah or muslim hate krsna then they hate their own god.

This teaching of Haridas Thakur is taken out of context and presented to save one's impersonalistic disposition. It is out of context because when Haridas Thakur said it to kazi, Kazi didnt know that Allah and Krsna are same. But in the context of this thread it already well known that Impersonal feature and Personal feature are different aspects of same Supreme absolute truth. Vaishnavas accept impersonal feature and serve personal feature. The envy of monists is such that they cannot tolerate the service to Krsna.
- Sevak
  
  Bharat > Bharat April 24, 2015 at 12:51am
  
  Of all the 18 thousand verses of Srimad Bhagavtam which sweetly glorify the loving service to Krsna, His pastimes, His personality, His qualities, His form etc there only a few verses which mention about the impersonal feature of Bhagavan. These few verses are being misquoted again and again to minimize all the personal features of Krsna which have been glorified by all vaishnavas in bhagavatam itself in thousands of verses.
  
  This mentality of biased impersonalists to deviate from the natural conclusion of scriptures like Bhagavad Gita, Bhagavatam, Upanishads has been disapproved by all vaishnava acaryas since centuries. Ramanujacarya defeated Yadava Prakash. Jiva gosvami defeated Rupa Narayana. Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu defeated Sarvabhauma bhattacarya.
  
  Brahman is incomplete understanding of Para brahman - Supreme absolute truth. Nobody can hate or love or criticize Brahman which manifests only the sat feature of Krsna. Vaishnavas serve Supreme personality of godhead Krsna/Vishnu with love and lord lovingly reciprocates with His devotees
  
  Hare Krsna

3f21ivo10p1mx April 23, 2015 at 10:09pm

in kali yuga almost all religions are improper or against the Vedic principles.

therefore real dharma doesnt exist.

SB 11.31.7 — As soon as Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa left the earth, Truth, Religion, Faithfulness, Glory and Beauty immediately followed Him. Kettledrums resounded in the heavens and flowers showered from the sky.

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because real religion left earth with sri krishna,

nobody can establish dharma until lord returns in form of kalki avatara.

when he incarnate, dharma will follow him and satya yuga will be established.

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sri shukadeva goswami pointed out adharma system made by king arhat,

which rejecting vedas and vedic principles.

pointing out is one thing and criticizing showing malice is another.

vaishnava who realy knows the difference between the body and soul never criticize anyone or anything.

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SB 11.23.48 — Failing to conquer this irrepressible enemy, the mind, whose urges are intolerable and who torments the heart, many people are completely bewildered and create useless quarrel with others. Thus they conclude that other people are either their friends, their enemies or parties indifferent to them.

SB 11.23.49 — Persons who identify with this body, which is simply the product of the material mind, are blinded in their intelligence, thinking in terms of “I” and “mine.” Because of their illusion of “this is I, but that is someone else,” they wander in endless darkness

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SB 11.28.1 — The Supreme Personality of Godhead said: One should neither praise nor criticize the conditioned nature and activities of other persons. Rather, one should see this world as simply the combination of material nature and the enjoying souls, all based on the one Absolute Truth.

SB 11.28.2 — Whoever indulges in praising or criticizing the qualities and behavior of others will quickly become deviated from his own best interest by his entanglement in illusory dualities.

SB 11.28.3 — Just as the embodied spirit soul loses external consciousness when his senses are overcome by the illusion of dreaming or the deathlike state of deep sleep, so a person experiencing material duality must encounter illusion and death

3f21ivo10p1mx April 20, 2015 at 4:12pm

only those who accepts all three aspects of god are actually knows the truth.

SB 1.2.11 — Learned transcendentalists who know the Absolute Truth call this nondual substance Brahman, Paramātmā or Bhagavān.

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we can see here also that there is no difference between

sri krishna and param brahman :

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SB 7.1.19 — Although these two men — Śiśupāla and Dantavakra — repeatedly blasphemed the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Lord Viṣṇu [Kṛṣṇa], the Supreme Brahman, they were quite healthy. Indeed, their tongues were not attacked by white leprosy, nor did they enter the darkest region of hellish life. We are certainly most surprised by this.

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therefore, vaishnavas should avoid being envy on sri krishna ,

by showing malice toward other religions.

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sri Haridasa said:

"All living entities in creation are inspired by the Lord in the heart to act in different ways. People of different religions praise the Lord's holy names and qualities according to the view of their scriptures. The Supreme Lord accepts everyone's mood. If anyone shows malice towards another's religion he actually shows malice to the Lord Himself, who is worshiped by that religion. Since God is one, that person becomes envious of the same Supreme Lord that he himself is worshiping."

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