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I have been trying to understand the physical suffering that can come to one who is trying to serve devotees, guru and Lord Krishna when that one cannot get away from drug addiction. I direct this question especially about anyone who tries very much to be free of addiction, but who is caught in the addiction again and again, with great physical suffering involved.
I do not yet understand - the modes someone is born into - whether on one's birth chart one is deva human or demon -- and reactions one has yet to suffer -- do these have influence on whether one suffers as addict in this lifetime?
When one is devotee trying to serve guru and Krishna, though not yet perfect, they continue to suffer reactions due to them like a fan to which the power has been stopped but the fan blades continue for some time still to spin?
Please offer information concerning this.
Hare Krishna, my very dear mother Carol.
Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. All glories to Guru-Maharaja.
Dear mother Carol, we will always have to suffer in this material world. Because we are in the same world. If it starts to rain everybody will get wet. The devotees and also the not devotees. If you do an act you will get your reaction ofcourse, this goes also for everybody. But the difference between the devotees and the not devotees is that the devotees of Lord Krishna exsperience the sufferings as coming from their own sin from the past and by the mercy of their Lord Krishna it reduced to a very small amount of suffering and that this suffering is the mercy of Lord Krishna. Actually, suffering is just another exame for us. You went to school and the teacher give you an exame, just to see how strong you are in that certain subject matter, not just to put you in trouble. So, the same way ,Krishna want to see how strong you are in this material world. We are put in a test to become very strong in this world because and when death arrives most of the senses are not functioning properly. Still we should be able to think of Lord Krishna no matter what pain their is. That is the end exame that we have to pass in order to reach the spiritual world.
So, my dear mother Carol, those who are suffering or addicted to this and that should keep their mind focussed on Krishna. Like chanting His Holy Names, Harinam Sankirtan,doing japa and if possible more service for Ther Lordship, SRI SRI RADHA KRISHNA.
If I made any mistake in this repley anyone feel free to correct me. I hope also that I had not offend anyone, other wise if it is possible please forgive me.
Dear mother Carol , I hope this reply can make to happy, otherwise ohter devotees can help.
Thank you so much.
Like Caitanya Mahaprabhu Prabhu has said, we have to suffer the reactions of karmas - devotee or not devotee. What benefit a devotee has is - the power of knowledge, to act out of the situation.
See the example of Pariksit Maharaj - He was cursed to die in seven days. Lord Krishna saved Pariksit from the brahmastra(an equivalent of nuclear weapon in the olden ages), when he was in his mother's womb. But didnt physically protect him from the snake who consumed Pariksit maharaj. But Pariksit Maharaj completely surrendered to Krsna through his guru Sukadeva Goswami - by hearing about Krsna. He perfected his life, and was liberated way before the snake could reach him.
Coming back to your question - I'm not equipped with detailed knowledge of karma, but probably some past influence in this life or past might be influencing them.The material modes, karma, association of like minded people, difficult pasts or just a crazy passion - anything could influence the ones suffering from any kind of addiction.
I remember one example of one of the leader sanyassis recently helping out one person addicted by drugs by asking her to atleast chant one round for him. And slowly and surely she found her way out of it, now happily married and out of addiction.
So if you know anyone suffering from such a problem, just be their confidential friend, or help them confide into some senior devotee, who can help them through this privately.
So the physical effects are the side effects of the drugs - and I'm not sure through the karma cycle what other suffering can be imposed. But I think the experience itself is painful, cos however high you get, its incomplete - and you know it even when you are in it - that's the worst part.
Dandvat Pranam mata ji
Please accept my humble obeisance, Jai Prabhupada
Thanks for put your realisation mata ji it is like your blessing
Very Nice Question mata ji
I like to put here Bhagvad Geeta Verse in chapter 4
api ced asi papebhyah sarvebhyah papa-krttamah
sarvam jnana-plavenaiva vrjinam santarisyasi
Meanning:- Even if you are considered to be the most sinful of all sinners, when you are situated in the boat of transcendental knowledge, you will be able to cross over the ocean of miseries.
Bhagvad Geeta Chapter 4 Verse 37
yathaidhamsi samiddho 'gnir bhasmasat kurute 'rjuna
jnanagnih sarva-karmani bhasmasat kurute tatha
Meaning:- As the blazing fire turns firewood to ashes, O Arjuna, so does the fire of knowledge burn to ashes all reactions to material activities.
so does the fire of knowledge burn to ashes all reactions to material activities.
and knowledge comes from lords continue service 24 hours ...........
Bhagvad Geeta Chapter 08 Verse 07
tasmat sarvesu kalesu mam anusmara yudhya ca
mayy arpita-mano-buddhir mam evaisyasy asamsayah
Meaning:- Therefore, Arjuna, you should always think of Me in the form of Krsna and at the same time carry out your prescribed duty of fighting. With your activities dedicated to Me and your mind and intelligence fixed on Me, you will attain Me without doubt.
Bhagvad Geeta Chapter 10 Verse 08
tesam satata-yuktanam bhajatam priti-purvakam
dadami buddhi-yogam tam yena mam upayanti te
Meaning:- To those who are constantly devoted and worship Me with love, I give the understanding by which they can come to Me.
I give the understanding by which they can come to Me.
So my dear mata ji please keep patient and love/server krishna more and more all time even time of addiction also u should chant his holy name ( in BG 8.7 your mind and intelligence fixed on Me, you will attain Me without doubt.)
mata ji suffering and pain is comes from our ignorance and it is possible in spiritual ways cous one who take shelter of krishna at first krishna wash his all sinful activities, addiction, bad habbits that all ... and during the process of wash it possible that dirty, dust are come out for forever and where is more dust taking time to wash
wishing your peaceful spiritual progress.
I hope i did't wrote wrong , if i wrong so please correct me
Where there is more dust, takes more time to wash -- this is comforting, a reminder, the process is perfect. I don't know if it is necessary to say, I don't use any drugs, I have watched others who seem to suffer greatly.
Suffering and pain come from our ignorance. I hope to understand this more.
Thank you for your kind wishes.
Hare Krishna mataji.
When you start cleaning the dust, we will realize how much dust is accumulated. Chanting is the processing of cleaning the heart of all the dust of attachments we have or had. When we start chanting, we start cleaning our heart. So we will see lot of dust initially. Just continue cleaning and all the dust will be removed eventually.
When, demigods and demons churned the milk ocean, the first of the substance that appeared from it is the haalahala a deadly poison. only latter did the other good items came from it. Similarly when we take to the process of bhakthi and try to follow the regulative principle, we will realize how much we are addicted to breaking all of them. We have to develop faith in Lord and the process given by Srila Prabhupada and continue it and we will at some point of time will be able to give up all these attachments