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i hear - Some soul are eternally here in material world - baddha jiva . Some are eternally liberated - siddha/mukta jivas. It means there was never a time when we were in spiritual world.

We are always here or do we fall down from sipiritual world into material world? Also Lord Krishna say in BG once u reach my abode - u will not fall down . How was it possible earlier that jivas fall down?

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thts true that if one reaches to his abode, jivas will not fall down means jiva will have limitless enjoyment in the service and devotion of lord krsna so why jiva will want to come here in suffering mundane world, also krsna is so dear to his devotees tht he will also protect jivas frm geting suffering mundane world. but due to some reasons if jiva get trapped in this mundane world then lord will always help them in coming back to godhead, wht could be these reasons lets hve a glance:

1. due to vaishnav apradh like jay- vijay who were parshad of lord vishnu got curse due to disrespect of sankadi muni nd came to mundane world as a result of the curse but as thy felt their mistake immediately nd asked sorrry for their act thy went back to godhead after 3 births nd lord himself gave them liberation.

2. due to ego or wish of independent enjoying like narad muni caught in pride once while he won kamdev in his penance. to diminish his ego nd pride lord played a trick nd crreated a illusion world in which narad ji allured to a queen of this illusory world nd wished for getting attractive look to get married with her. as narad ji was dear devotee of lord so lord solved his disease in this way of sending them to illusory world. here narad ji cursed to those shivgan also who make his laugh so this curse caused shivgan to be asura in mundane world. so this is also one reason for trapped in mundane world. now here one can think why lord put narad ji in illusory world, so the answer is if lord make him understand directly he will not get understnd becoz lord shiva also tried it but narad ji misinterpreted this(hope u know this story) so lord did this whole play. in the same way diff diff jivas r filled with diff diff amount of false ego so thy dont directly ready to accept the supremacy of lord nd thy r not ready to do their devotional services with full surrender and humbleness in genuine way so lord is also doing this play of material world to teach us lesson. as soon as we will surrender ourself to lord nd will feel our mistakes of doing false ego, we will get connected to supreme lord nd we can identify this connection by feeling ecstasy as spiritual world is full with ecstasy, real enjoyment nd free frm sufferings.

the situation is like that if a student of a school is the son of the principal of that school then if he thinks oh i m special one and i can never get fail in examination so what this ego will do, it will just became him careless in his study, he cant learn new things tht a normal student can learn so this will be ultimately harmful for him. so if his principal  father is intelligent nd really wants his progress then he will not give him special treat nd if his son still stubborn then to make him learn gud thing for his growth he will take serious action but its not mean he hates his son or he wants his son to fell down in study. he wants his actual growth but as he is stubborn so to make his actual progress he is giving hard treatment. thts it. 

in the same way how stubborn we will be in our false ego then supreme lord will give us that much hard treatment in order to correct us , to meet us with real enjoyment . we can never fell down if we correct our view of thoughts.

hope i helped u to get ur answer,

thnk u to read me

hre krsna

Hare Krsna Prabhuji,

PAMHO.

A nitya baddha jiva can become kripa siddha jiva (who attained enlightenment through mercy of devotee or lord - like Ajamila) or sadhana siddha jiva (who attained enlightenment by doing sadhana for many births). Such a jiva becomes mukta (liberated from the material world). 

Haribol,

Your servant,

Radha Rasamayi DD

Only by performing devotional service or Bhaktiyoga such as by chanting of holy names, by mercy of association with devotees, accepting a spiritual master and following regulations of Bhakti a NityaBaddha Jiva can revive his original constitutional position of eternally serving the Supreme Lord Krishna in the spiritual world by becoming a NityaMukta devotee by the mercy of Krishna.

A NityaMukta devotee stays eternally in the spiritual world wherein he serves the Supreme Lord Krishna as per his Bhava and Rasa, However if the Spirit Soul due to his free will wants to enjoy independent of the Supreme Lord while in the eternal spiritual world then the Supreme Lord Krishna as the eternal father and well-wisher of the Jiva places him under his material energy and then once again the Jiva becomes NityaBaddha due to his free will and accepts repeated birth and death in the material world.

Some devotees eternally perform pastimes with the Supreme Lord Krishna in the spiritual world and are NityaMukta or NityaSiddha devotees who never fall down from the association with the Supreme Lord Krishna since they perform eternal pastimes while serving the Supreme Lord as per their Rasas of Shanta, Dasya, Sakhya, Vatsalya and topmost Madhurya Rasa. Some of these devotees also take part in the earthly pastimes of the Supreme Lord Krishna in Vrindavan, Mathura and Dwarka.

Hare Krishna

Hare Krsna

Some souls are nitya baddha are they always in material world ? How did spirit soul end up in material world ?

There are some related aspects which needs to be understood to completely understand the position and whereabouts of living entity

1.       Soul is never created.

na jāyate mriyate vā kadācin

nāyaṁ bhūtvā bhavitā vā na bhūyaḥ

ajo nityaḥ śāśvato ’yaṁ purāṇo

na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre

For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain. BG 2.20

There is no specific date at which the jīva was born. Nor can anyone trace out the history of the jīvātmā’s manifestation from the Supreme Lord. Therefore it is beginningless. The Vedic literature confirms this: na jāyate mriyate vā vipaścit (Kaṭha Upaniṣad 1.2.18). The knower of the body is never born and never dies, and he is full of knowledge. (BG 13.13 Purport)

This means that soul is neither created in material world or in spiritual world. 

2.      Soul is tatastha sakti or marginal energy.

jīvera ‘svarūpa’ haya — kṛṣṇera ‘nitya-dāsa’

krsnera ‘tatasthā-śakti’ ‘bhedābheda-prakāśa’

It is the living entity’s constitutional position to be an eternal servant of Kṛṣṇa because he is the marginal energy of Krsna and a manifestation simultaneously one with and different from the Lord.

Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura explains these verses as follows: Śrī Sanātana Gosvāmī asked Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, “Who am I?” In answer, the Lord replied, “You are a pure living entity. You are neither the gross material body nor the subtle body composed of mind and intelligence. Actually you are a spirit soul, eternally part and parcel of the Supreme Soul, Kṛṣṇa. Therefore you are His eternal servant. You belong to Kṛṣṇa’s marginal potency. There are two worlds — the spiritual world and the material world — and you are situated between the material and spiritual potencies. (CC Madhya 20.108)

The Supreme Personality of Godhead has three primary energies, or potencies. The first is called antaraṅga-śakti, or the internal potency. The second is called taṭastha-śakti, or the marginal potency. The third is called bahiraṅga-śakti, or the external potency. The living entities constitute the marginal potency, and they are situated between the internal and external potencies. Purport NOI Verse 2

 

3. Where was conditioned soul previous to becoming completely conditioned?

Spiritual world is the supreme abode where there is influence only of internal energy. Brahmajyoti doesn’t have influence of either internal or external energy. Material world is a temporary manifestation which is largely under influence of external energy.

There are realms in the creation where there is influences of both internal energy & external energy, thus these are marginal realms. For example whenever lord Krsna or any incarnation appears within this world, the holy dham like Vrindavan, Mathura also descends along with Him. These dhams while situated within material world, are non-different in their potency to the supreme dham situated in spiritual world. Hence there would be influences of both internal & external potencies acting simultaneously in marginal realm. This can be seen in the manifest pastimes like demons attacking Vrindavan, the demons are under influence of external energy, while Krsna’s pure devotees like mother Yashoda etc are under influence of internal energy.

The above is an example of the marginal realm which is situated in between material energy and spiritual energy. Hence before becoming extremely conditioned the living entity would have been in such a realm. When living entities that are situated in this marginal realm misuse their free will then then they become conditioned Example –  Dvivida gorilla was an associate of lord Rama who fought against Ravana’s army to rescue mother Sita in treta yuga. Due to some offence committed towards Lakshmana, he fell prey to bad association and over period of time became demoniac. If living entities in marginal realm do not misuse free will and show inclination to be only be under influence of internal energy they can be transferred to the supreme abode pf spiritual world. Nitya baddha does not mean eternally conditioned, it means conditioned for a long long time. The word Nitya is only used to indicate that living entities are severely conditioned for a long long time. It is not used to indicate their origin or position as baddha jiva.

Most important thing is that right now those who have come in contact with the Krsna conscious movement started by lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu have opportunity to transfer themselves to be under the influence of internal potency by the practice of Krsna consciousness. By hearing the spiritual sound vibration of holy names and Srimad Bhagavatam, BG, we can get rid of all our material conditionings. By serving devotees we learn to serve, please and love Krsna. If we do this intensely, patiently and repeatedly we can go back to spiritual world in just one lifetime.

 

 

 

4. Soul once when it attains the highest stage of pure devotional service and is transferred to vaikuntha planet beyond the material world, it never falls down.

After attaining Me, the great souls, who are yogīs in devotion, never return to this temporary world, which is full of miseries, because they have attained the highest perfection. BG 8.15

That supreme abode of Mine is not illumined by the sun or moon, nor by fire or electricity. Those who reach it never return to this material world. Bg 15.6

There are two classes of beings, the fallible and the infallible. In the material world every living entity is fallible, and in the spiritual world every living entity is called infallible. Bg 15.16 

 

5. Souls that have attained brahmajoti/ brahman effulgence can fall down.

ye ’nye ’ravindākṣa vimukta-māninas
tvayy asta-bhāvād aviśuddha-buddhayaḥ
āruhya kṛcchreṇa paraṁ padaṁ tataḥ
patanty adho ’nādṛta-yuṣmad-aṅghrayaḥ

‘O lotus-eyed one, those who think they are liberated in this life but do not render devotional service to You must be of impure intelligence. Although they accept severe austerities and penances and rise to the spiritual position, to impersonal Brahman realization, they fall down again because they neglect to worship Your lotus feet.’ (SB 10.2.32)

 

Brahmajyoti is a abode where the souls can exhibhit only sat feature of their identity. Cit and anande aspects of the eternal souls cannot be exhibhited. Thus brahmajyoti although is a place free from influence of external potency or maya, the liberated living entities situated in it can find incompleteness. 

 

 

6.  Brahmajoti/ Brahman effulgence is not the original or permanent destination of soul.

Some say that brahmjyoti is the marginal realm that is situated between material & spiritual energies from where liberated living entities either fall down to material world or get elevated to spiritual world.

This is cannot be true because it is not possible for living entities directly enter vaikuntha planets in spiritual world. As given below

The facilities of devotional service are denied the impersonalists because they are attached to the brahmajyoti feature of the Lord. As suggested in the previous mantras, they cannot penetrate the brahma-jyoti because they do not believe in the Personality of Godhead. (Purport Isopanishad verse 17)

Living entities in the brahmajyoti however can choose to come under influence of material energy and enter material world.

Brahmajyoti is situated between material world nd spiritual world, but this does not mean that it is the marginal realm where living entities come under influence of both external and internal potency. In fact at Brahmajyoti there is neither infulnce of internal potency nor of external potency. Thus it is not the realm of marginal potency from where living entity falls down to material world. While some liberated living entities may have entered material world, all the living entities in material world have not universally fallen from brahmajyoti.

YS Bharat

 

 

 

7. Nitya baddha doesn’t mean eternally conditioned.

 

Nitya baddha does not mean eternally conditioned, it means conditioned for a long long time. The word Nitya is only used to indicate that living entities are severely conditioned for a long long time. It is not used to indicate their origin or position as baddha jiva.

 

No one can say when such desires were awakened in them, and therefore it is said, anādi-karma: the cause of such material existence is untraceable. No one knows when material life began, but it is a fact that it does have a point of beginning because originally every living entity is a spiritual spark. As a spark’s falling onto the ground from a fire has a beginning, so a living entity’s coming to this material world has a beginning, but no one can say when. (Krsna The supreme personality of godhead, Chapter – 87)

Thanks Prabhuji...for this clear explanation !!

!!Hare Krishna Hare Rama!!

Hare Krsna 

More references on Nitya Baddha

Similarly, there was no necessity to create this material world for the sufferings of the conditioned souls, but at the same time there are certain living entities, known as nitya-baddha, who are eternally conditioned. We say that they have been conditioned from time immemorial because no one can trace out when the living entity, the part and parcel of the Supreme Lord, became rebellious against the supremacy of the Lord.(Purport SB 3.26.5)

The living entities belong to the eternal superior nature of the Lord, but due to contamination by the inferior nature, matter, their illusion is also eternal. The conditioned soul is therefore called nitya-baddha, or eternally conditioned. No one can trace out the history of his becoming conditioned at a certain date in material history. (Purport BG 7.14)

And we are nitya-baddha, ever conditioned, eternally conditioned. Eternally conditioned means... We cannot be eternally conditioned. Because we are part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa, our natural position is ever liberated, eternally liberated. But because we wanted to imitate Kṛṣṇa, we wanted to become Kṛṣṇa, as the Māyāvādīs want to do. ( Lecture SB 01.10.05 - Mayapur, June 20, 1973)

this conditional life by the material nature. We shall continue forever. Nitya-baddha. Forever. "Forever" means we cannot calculate how long we shall continue. That is... It is not nitya actually, but because I do not know from whence it has begun, neither I know when it will end, therefore it is called nitya-baddha. Nitya-baddha. (Lecture SB 03.26.06 - Bombay  December 18, 1974)

And those who have fallen within this material world for sense gratification, they are baddha. They are called nitya-baddha, eternally conditioned. And eternally means that nobody can estimate how long one conditioned soul within this material world is existing here, because the creation is going on perpetually—sometimes manifest, sometimes nonmanifest. But the conditioned soul without Kṛṣṇa consciousness is continuing to exist in this material world. Before the creation he was there in dormant condition. Again with the manifestation he comes out. This is going on. They are conditioned. (Philosophy Discussion on Plotinus)

There are two kinds of living entities: nitya-mukta and nitya baddha. Nitya-baddha, we are. Those who are in this material world, we are eternally conditioned. Eternally conditioned in this way, because I am changing my body, one after another. As I am desiring, I am getting my next body. This body I am creating my next body; again when I shall get next body, I shall create another body. So this is going on. And because it is going on, when it has begun and when it is going to end, that you do not know. Therefore it is called nitya, eternal. Actually it is not eternal, but we do not know when I have begun my material existence. (Lecture NOD - Bombay January 09, 1973)

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