Hare Krishna ,Dandvat Pranam To All Devotees ..In Vedas Mahamantra Starts With Ram , Then Krishna ..Is Krishna Supreme Or Ram ..?But In BG CH-10 Krishna Says Amongst Holder Of Vedic Literature,He Is Ram ..Similarily He Says He Is Shiv,Vishnu,Bhrama ..Than why do we pray Vishnu,Ram Not Shiva ..If Krishna is every where every thing is worshipable ..Than what is problem with worshiping demigod ..But Again In BG He Says To Worship Him Only ..Is there any crime in worshipping demigod ,as all are his extensionsSo What Actually His Message Is .. ?How can we only concentrate on Krishna rather than any other demigod ..The wind of MAYA is very strong , and total focus on krishna is very challenging ..Because in India , 95% people are Mayavaadi ..They Think They Are Born In India,They Know every thing about God ..I feel Problem With Indians Is That There Are Many God ..This is not the case with others ..BG is our base that represents us And People do not follow its guidelines,and make their childrens to follow something others ..How can i prevent from talks of these elements ..It Rises Questions of if and buts .. !!Please help ..
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ये ही श्रीराम सर्वज्ञ है, सर्वेश्वर है, आनन्द भोक्ता है, तीनों अवस्था से परे हैं, परमतत्व है, नारायण विष्णु, नृसिंह, बाराह, कृष्ण, मत्स्यादि सभी अवतार जिनके कलांश विभूति स्वरूप है, उसी परमात्मा श्रीराम का हम वरण करते हैं। भूत भाविष्य वर्तमान जिनसे होते रहते हैं, वह राम है, ऐसा जो जानता है, वह सभी पापों को त्यागकर अमृत धाम को प्राप्त करत है।
जिनके स्मरण मात्र से यह संसार गोपद के समान अवस्था को प्राप्त हो जाता है, उसी को नित्य किशोर रहने वाली भक्ति कहा गया है जो भगवान श्री रामचंद्र के चरणों में आश्रय प्रदान करें।
Hare Krsna Prabhu. One must learn about Kṛṣṇa from the ācāryas. Ācāryavān puruṣo veda: one who follows the path of the ācāryas knows things as they are----
S.B. --10:13:19-- By His Vasudeva feature, Krsna simultaneously expanded Himself into the exact number of missing cowherd boys and calves, with their exact bodily features, their particular types of hands, legs and other limbs, their sticks, bugles and flutes, their lunch bags, their particular types of dress and ornaments placed in various ways, their names, ages and forms, and their special activities and characteristics. By expanding Himself in this way, beautiful Krsna proved the statement samagra-jagad visnumayam: "Lord Visnu is all-pervading."
As stated in the Brahma-samhita (5.33):
advaitam acyutam anadim ananta-rupam
adyam purana-purusam nava-yauvanam ca
Krsna, param brahma, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is adyam, the beginning of everything; He is adi-purusam, the ever-youthful original person. He can expand Himself in more forms than one can imagine, yet He does not fall down from His original form as Krsna; therefore He is called Acyuta. This is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Sarvam visnumayam jagat. Sarvam khalv idam brahma. Krsna thus proved that He is everything, that He can become everything, but that still He is personally different from everything (mat-sthani sarva-bhutani na caham tesv avasthitah [Bg. 9.4]). This is Krsna, who is understood by acintya-bhedabheda-tattva philosophy. purnasya purnam adaya purnam evavasisyate: [Iso Invocation] Krsna is always complete, and although He can create millions of universes, all of them full in all opulences, He remains as opulent as ever, without any change (advaitam). This is explained by different Vaisnava acaryas through philosophies such as visuddhadvaita, visistadvaita and dvaitadvaita. Therefore one must learn about Krsna from the acaryas. Acaryavan puruso veda: one who follows the path of the acaryas knows things as they are. Such a person can know Krsna as He is, at least to some extent, and as soon as one understands Krsna (janma karma ca me divyam evam yo vetti tattvatah [Bg. 4.9]), one is liberated from material bondage (tyaktva deham punar janma naiti mam eti so 'rjuna).
Hare Krishna dear Devotees, please accept my humble obeisances! All glories to Srila Prabhupada!
yes, Jitender Prabhu, Lord Ramachandra in Ayodhya has only Master servant, sometimes brotherhood rasas with His Devotees. But Radharaman has all main 5 rasas and other 7 (if i did not forget)
Your servant, in serving to Srila Prabhupada
ये ही श्रीराम सर्वज्ञ है, सर्वेश्वर है, आनन्द भोक्ता है, तीनों अवस्था से परे हैं, परमतत्व है, नारायण विष्णु, नृसिंह, बाराह, कृष्ण, मत्स्यादि सभी अवतार जिनके कलांश विभूति स्वरूप है, उसी परमात्मा श्रीराम का हम वरण करते हैं। भूत भाविष्य वर्तमान जिनसे होते रहते हैं, वह राम है, ऐसा जो जानता है, वह सभी पापों को त्यागकर अमृत धाम को प्राप्त करत है।
Can you please elaborate from which authentic scripture being compiled by vyasadeva it is mentioned that Ram refers to radharaman and not Ramachandra.I have seen that Kali Santaranopanishad contains
"Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare
Hare krishna Hare krishna krishna Krishna Hare Hare "
Some of later interpolations changed the order and there is no harm in it but iskcon propound that this is only authentic and Hare Rama version is not authentic?
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एष श्रीरामः सर्वज्ञः सर्वेश्वरः आनन्दभुक त्रयावस्था परः तत्वम् नारायणो विष्णु नरसिंह बराहो कृष्णोमत्स्यादि अवताराः यस्यांक कलाभूताः तदेव परमात्मनं वृणीमहे भूतम् भव्यम् भवच्चास्मात् सम्भूत्वा एवं भूतं य वेद स पापात्मान विहाय अमृतत्वम् च गच्छति।
ये ही श्रीराम सर्वज्ञ है, सर्वेश्वर है, आनन्द भोक्ता है, तीनों अवस्था से परे हैं, परमतत्व है, नारायण विष्णु, नृसिंह, बाराह, कृष्ण, मत्स्यादि सभी अवतार जिनके कलांश विभूति स्वरूप है, उसी परमात्मा श्रीराम का हम वरण करते हैं। भूत भाविष्य वर्तमान जिनसे होते रहते हैं, वह राम है, ऐसा जो जानता है, वह सभी पापों को त्यागकर अमृत धाम को प्राप्त करत है।
(साम० संहिता~ 3.1)
(कलिसंतरण उपनिषद)
यद्दिव्यनाम स्मरतां संसारो गोष्पदायते ।
सा नव्यभक्तिर्भवति तद्रामपदमाश्रये ।।
जिनके स्मरण मात्र से यह संसार गोपद के समान अवस्था को प्राप्त हो जाता है, उसी को नित्य किशोर रहने वाली भक्ति कहा गया है जो भगवान श्री रामचंद्र के चरणों में आश्रय प्रदान करें।
Lord Rāma in śrīmad Bhāgvatam :-
न वै स आत्मात्मवतां सुहृत्तम:
सक्तस्त्रिलोक्यां भगवान् वासुदेव: (5.19.6)
भगवन्तमादिपुरुषं (5.19.1)
तस्यापि भगवानेष साक्षाद् ब्रह्ममयो हरि: (9.10.2)
कलेश इक्ष्वाकुवंश अवतीर्य गुरोर्निदेशे (2.7.23)
कूटस्थमादिपुरुषं जगतामधीशम् (9.10.14)
मन्योश्च भूतपतय: स भवान् गुणेश: (9.10.14)
भगवान् दत्त्वा रक्षोगणेशताम् (9.10.32)
भगवान् राजन् ग्रहैश्चन्द्र इवोदित: (9.10.44)
भगवानात्मनात्मानं राम (9.11.1)
भगवन् भुवनेश्वर (9.11.6)
तच्छ्रुत्वा भगवान् रामो रुन्धन्नपि धिया शुच: ।
स्मरंस्तस्या गुणांस्तांस्तान्नाशक्नोद् रोद्धुमीश्वर: (9.11.16)
You can see that bhagvaan Ramchandra is referred as adipurusha 2 times in Srimad Bhagvatam. Nothing more is left to convey.
As stated in the Brahma-samhita (5.33):
- advaitam acyutam anadim ananta-rupam
- adyam purana-purusam nava-yauvanam ca
Krsna, param brahma, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is adyam, the beginning of everything; He is adi-purusam, the ever-youthful original person. He can expand Himself in more forms than one can imagine, yet He does not fall down from His original form as Krsna; therefore He is called Acyuta. This is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Sarvam visnumayam jagat. Sarvam khalv idam brahma. Krsna thus proved that He is everything, that He can become everything, but that still He is personally different from everything (mat-sthani sarva-bhutani na caham tesv avasthitah [Bg. 9.4]). This is Krsna, who is understood by acintya-bhedabheda-tattva philosophy. purnasya purnam adaya purnam evavasisyate: [Iso Invocation] Krsna is always complete, and although He can create millions of universes, all of them full in all opulences, He remains as opulent as ever, without any change (advaitam). This is explained by different Vaisnava acaryas through philosophies such as visuddhadvaita, visistadvaita and dvaitadvaita. Therefore one must learn about Krsna from the acaryas. Acaryavan puruso veda: one who follows the path of the acaryas knows things as they are. Such a person can know Krsna as He is, at least to some extent, and as soon as one understands Krsna (janma karma ca me divyam evam yo vetti tattvatah [Bg. 4.9]), one is liberated from material bondage (tyaktva deham punar janma naiti mam eti so 'rjuna).yes, Jitender Prabhu, Lord Ramachandra in Ayodhya has only Master servant, sometimes brotherhood rasas with His Devotees. But Radharaman has all main 5 rasas and other 7 (if i did not forget)
Your servant, in serving to Srila Prabhupada
Lord Rāma in śrīmad Bhāgvatam :-
न वै स आत्मात्मवतां सुहृत्तम:
सक्तस्त्रिलोक्यां भगवान् वासुदेव: (5.19.6)
भगवन्तमादिपुरुषं (5.19.1)
तस्यापि भगवानेष साक्षाद् ब्रह्ममयो हरि: (9.10.2)
कलेश इक्ष्वाकुवंश अवतीर्य गुरोर्निदेशे (2.7.23)
कूटस्थमादिपुरुषं जगतामधीशम् (9.10.14)
मन्योश्च भूतपतय: स भवान् गुणेश: (9.10.14)
भगवान् दत्त्वा रक्षोगणेशताम् (9.10.32)
भगवान् राजन् ग्रहैश्चन्द्र इवोदित: (9.10.44)
भगवानात्मनात्मानं राम (9.11.1)
भगवन् भुवनेश्वर (9.11.6)
तच्छ्रुत्वा भगवान् रामो रुन्धन्नपि धिया शुच: ।
स्मरंस्तस्या गुणांस्तांस्तान्नाशक्नोद् रोद्धुमीश्वर: (9.11.16)
You can see that bhagvaan Ramchandra is referred as adipurusha 2 times in Srimad Bhagvatam. Nothing more is left to convey.
rama in hare krsna mahamantra refers to radharaman ,the one who gives pleasure to radha. it doesnot refer to
ramchandra of ayodhya.
एष श्रीरामः सर्वज्ञः सर्वेश्वरः आनन्दभुक त्रयावस्था परः तत्वम् नारायणो विष्णु नरसिंह बराहो कृष्णोमत्स्यादि अवताराः यस्यांक कलाभूताः तदेव परमात्मनं वृणीमहे भूतम् भव्यम् भवच्चास्मात् सम्भूत्वा एवं भूतं य वेद स पापात्मान विहाय अमृतत्वम् च गच्छति।
ये ही श्रीराम सर्वज्ञ है, सर्वेश्वर है, आनन्द भोक्ता है, तीनों अवस्था से परे हैं, परमतत्व है, नारायण विष्णु, नृसिंह, बाराह, कृष्ण, मत्स्यादि सभी अवतार जिनके कलांश विभूति स्वरूप है, उसी परमात्मा श्रीराम का हम वरण करते हैं। भूत भाविष्य वर्तमान जिनसे होते रहते हैं, वह राम है, ऐसा जो जानता है, वह सभी पापों को त्यागकर अमृत धाम को प्राप्त करत है।
(साम० संहिता~ 3.1)
Can you please elaborate from which authentic scripture being compiled by vyasadeva it is mentioned that Ram refers to radharaman and not Ramachandra.I have seen that Kali Santaranopanishad contains
"Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare
Hare krishna Hare krishna krishna Krishna Hare Hare "
Some of later interpolations changed the order and there is no harm in it but iskcon propound that this is only authentic and Hare Rama version is not authentic?
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