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Is Mirabhai in Madhurya rasa? She always viewed Krishna as lover.

With that being said, she must be in Vrindavan not Dwarka right?


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Hare KRsna Prabhuji,

PAMHO.

I read one biography on Meerabai recently which also spoke of her previous life in Vrindavan. When Meerabai reaches Vrindavan, the lord reveals to her who she was during the Vrindavan leela. She was a brijwasi named Madhavi married to a gopa named Sundar, who was a friend of the lord. Her mother was very bothered about all the gopis falling in love with Krsna and had forbidden Madhavi from even hearing, seeing or thinking of KRsna. Madhavi followed that diligently till the Govardhan pastime, when the entire village was under the hill held by KRsna. Once Madhavi sees the form of the lord holding the Govardhana hill, she becomes completely converted, but by then the lord decides to ignore her. She gets a benediction that as Madhavi, she will not attain the lord or be a part of His pastimes, but she will be reborn in Kaliyuga and then become accepted by the lord.

She is reborn as Meerabai and from childhood, is attracted to Krsna and significantly, calls Him Giridhar Gopal.

It is also mentioned in the previous life leela that when the queens of Dwarka meet the gopis in Kurukshetra and discuss Krsna, Rukmini becomes very very impressed by Radhika and Radhika has visited Dwarka, the palace of Queen Rukmini at her invitation. At that time, Madhavi also goes with her and becomes impressed by the opulence of the palaces and wants to enjoy being the wife of the lord. Therefore, she considers Krsna to be her husband as Meera and therefore, the lord directs her to go to Dwarka from Vrindavan, as Meera, because she is in the bhava of a wife.

THe lord says taht the desire of being wife and to enjoy the opulences of Dwarka will be fulfilled by the lord and then she can rejoin Radharani and serve her in Vrindavan eternally.

Unfortunatley, I dont knwo the name of the author of the book I read.

Haribol,

Your servant,

Rashmi  

This is the book you are talking about. I have read it a number of times and will continue to do so till my eyes can read.

Book: Meera Charit

Author: Kuwari Ranawat

Language: Hindi

Price: 125 Rs

Publisher: Mrityunjaya Singh Sisodiya

Description: This book is a biography of Meerabai and the author herself is a daughter in law in Meera's lineage. She is related to both Meera's family and Bhojraj's (Meera's husband) family. In this book very intimate leelas of Meera is described of which people are not  aware nor there is any possibility of getting that intimate information elsewhere. 

Distributor:

OmPrakash, Mumbai: Phone 24970736/37

Bhartiya GramudIyog Vastra bhandar, Mumbai: Phone  2013821

Khandelwal and sons, Vrindavan: Phone (0565) 442100/443101

Please see below for phone number and addresses of a couple places where you can get this book.

Book: Meera Charit
Author: Kuwari Ranawat
Language: Hindi
Price: 125 Rs
Publisher: Mrityunjaya Singh Sisodiya
Description: This book is a biography of Meerabai and the author herself is a daughter in law in Meera's lineage. She is related to both Meera's family and Bhojraj's (Meera's husband) family. In this book very intimate leelas of Meera is described of which people are not aware nor there is any possibility of getting that intimate information elsewhere. 

Distributor:
OmPrakash, Mumbai: Phone 24970736/37
Bhartiya GramudIyog Vastra bhandar, Mumbai: Phone 2013821
Khandelwal and sons, Vrindavan: Phone (0565) 442100/443101

Dear Rashmi Mataji ,

dandavat pranam .

It is indeed a great discussion. Mirabai's devotion and her love for Krishna in bhava of a wife is unquestionable.

But I have heard in many places that Srimati Radharani never went to Dwaraka after meeting with Rukmini devi in Kurukshetra . I also don't remember reading anything like this. Can you please  shed more light on this and any  reference from any puranas , goswami books etc where it is mentioned that Srimati Radharani went to Dwaraka ? There might be instances referred in puranas not known to me.

Another question did the author mentioned what is the source of information in her book and the level of authenticity  ? 

Please note I have utmost respect for Mirabai and she is one of my prime motivator . So  my query is only out of curiosity. Please don't take it otherwise.

Hare Krishna

This concepts Prabhu, Cannot be established with our mundane mind and intelligence. For this we need to enter devotional service of True Chanting in the Pure state. In this condition the truth will be automatically revealed to us. This is really not a subject for mundane discussion though there is some merit to hear the pastimes of devotees but to enter the mood of the devotees, our chanting has to be pure then we can understanding something of that

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Hare Krsna Prabhuji,

PAMHO.

With utmost respect to our gaudiya vaishnava sampradaya and what you have mentioned about rejecting Mirabai as not a pure devotee of the lord, when I came into ISKCON first, I had also inquired about Mirabai and being a Rajasthani, naturally I am very influenced by her bhakti. What I was told was that she is not in parampara, she was more of a freak and there is no shastric backing to her appearance and disappearance. Therefore the devotees of ISKCON do not follow Mirabai. We encourage following a parampara or school of bhakti and appraching bhakti in a systematic manner.

In fact, I have read from the morning walk talks of Srila Prabhupada where in he has mentioned that Mirabai was a contemporary of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu and she acknowledged that Mahaprabhu is Krsna's avatar and has in fact written a bhajan on the fact, that as Krsna, you came in dark color, as Mahaprabhu, you came in golden color, what have you substituted the flute for...?

Regarding Jiva Goswami, it is very famous taht JIva Goswami refused to meet Mirabai in Vrindavan saying that he doesnt meet women. When Mirabai commented that who is this other man in Vrindavan, I am aware of only one and this reached Jiva Goswami, he was humbled and promptly came out of his ashram and paid obeisances to Mirabai. It was a beautiful meeting of two devotees of the lord. I am quoting the biography I had read which I had mentioned in my earlier post. 

Having said that, prabhuji, we also know that gaudiya vaishnavism in not the only path. Krsna has Himself said that there are 4 sampradayas - through Brahma, Narada, 4 Kumaras or Lakshmi. Krsna accepts Mirabai as a pure devotee and therefore she merged into the deity at Dwarka. That deity is still visible with the saree jutting out in Udaipur (I think, my parents have seen).

Let us pay obeisances to a pure devotee of the lord, certified by the lord.

Haribol,

Your servant,

Rashmi

Hare Krsna Mata jee 

PAMHO 

I am totally agree with you ... Parmpara is good but we should not ignore pure devotees like Surdas , Tuslidas , Their bhjans gives us quick association with Krsna  Hari bol 

Hari Bol, Hari Bol, touching my ears I apologize for reading this where Meerabai the dearest devotee, dearest gopi, true bhakta, fearless princess is said to be a psuedo-devotee. Absolute rubbish. Talking about her itself is like.. i mean to say there are no words. I would like to completely disregard whatever is written in this thread, as I have utmost respect for her.

Meerabai is highly respected in all Sampradays and all sampradays have unparalleled bhakti. No sampraday is big enough or great enough to disregard a great devotee. A devotee is a devotee and should be respected equally by every sampraday.

Her bhajans, her bhaav, her love for her beloved.. for which she left her life of princess is unbeatable, tell me how many have done something similar to that. or in fact Tell me how many women have done something similar to that.

Hare Krsna PRabhuji,

PAMHO.

I am sorry, my purpose is not to argue, but to understand and to bring out the facts as I understand them. Pls take it in that spirit.

If you study the life of Mirabai, you cannot reach any other conclusion but that she is a pure pure unalloyed devotee of the lord. The lord arranged for her marraige to a prince, who understood her devotion and vowed never to touch her and fulfilled that vow all his life. He never even remarried, when kings at that time had multiple wives as a routine. Her devotion made him also a devotee. After his demise, his half brother became the next Rana and there are evidences that he sent Halahal poison for her to drink, saying its prasadam. She actually drank it and nothing happened to her. Hearing this the Rana got so angry that he called the royal physician (Raaj vaidh) and forced him to drink from the same cup (2-3 drops that were left) and the physician immediately died on the spot. The story further goes that both the drinking from the cup of poison was witnessed by the Rana's sister - Udhabai. She repented in her heart and arranged for the physician's family to take his body to Mirabai. When Mirabai learnt that the physician was forced to drink from the same cup of poison and he died, she was so repentent that she prayed to the lord that it would have been better that she would have died. She cried and prayed and sang so pitieously that the lord granted back the life of the physician.

There was another instance when the same Rana sent two cobras to Mirabai in a box saying they are Shaligram Shila. Mirabai laughed when the bag was opened and cobras came out. She had no fear when one cobra circled her neck like a garland and was simply taking the name of her Giridhar Gopal. That snake was actually converted into a garland and the other snake got converted into a Shaligram. She had no animosity in her heart towards the Rana also.

If this is mixed devotion prabhu, what is pure devotion? If this is mixed devotion, then I am ok with getting one fraction of the bhakti that she had.

In my humble opinion, it is an offence to belittle a pure devotee like Mirabai. Pure love knows no sampradaya, there is no philosophy behind pure love, it is simply love.

Pls forgive me prabhuji, I do not intend to cross question you. I have the utmost respect and regard for Srila PRabhupada and our gaudiya vaishnava sampradaya. I also respect pure devotees like Mirabai.

Haribol,

YOur insignificant servant.

Hare Krishna Mataji 

PAMHO 

Yes these are the facts Mera Bhai was a great devotee we all are nothing in front of her zero out of hundred not event that -100 out of 100 

Hari bol,

Rashmi ji i would like to add, there are so many poetry and padas she has written.. one of which comes to my mind is "raana bichhaye shool, maako laage phool" not exactly like this but the meaning is that once raana (brother -inlaw who was against her) put arrows under her bed, but when she lied down on it, she felt like they were rose petals, she felt like she was sleeping on flower petals. That is how Krishna made it for her. So that is how much HE loved her.

hare krishna

pls help me..i want to know scriptural references that mira bai is madhavi in previous birth..pls help me out

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