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I know we suffer bcoz of our karmas , but does HE even care when we are in pain .
I'm not only talking about physical pain but also mental and emotional pain .
I'm certain God knows very well that his children all over the world are suffering due to their bad deeds which they committed either in their past lives or in the present one . But my question is does God's heart bleeds for the poor and homeless people living in the streets ... for the ones who have lost their loved ones and are in deep grief ... for the ones who have speech problems and/or psychological problems who can't even chant god's name properly ... for the ones starving in Africa ?
I know the Lord wants us to chant his names so that we could escape all material sufferings , but what about those who can't chant , like a coma patient or a guy with a loss of memory .
Does that mean God won't show his mercy on such people , and will only come to the rescue the moment they start chanting .
Sometimes i think he is full of Ego , always wants us to chant his names and those who won't are doomed .
I would like to know whether the Lord has said anything in Gita or in other vedic scriptures about his love for his children , especially for those who are in pain .
Honest answer is NO. He is Atmarama. I had asked many senior devotees all of them said this . Krishna is the deity of suddha Sattva . One who attains that state by chanting is only able to perceive His mercy .Funny thing is one who has attained that state is already relieved if Karmic reaction. Devi Durga and Lord Shiva is assigned the task of dealing with material world. Attaining the state of Suddha sattva may take lifetimes depending upon our attitude and the intensity of sadhana.
And you have already stated the reason for our sufferings. To Add something We say Krishna increases the material sufferings in one's life in order to free himself of karmic reaction early. That is why it is said the path of Krishna is not easy . Lots of people come and go after practicing Krishna Consciousness only as he is unable to take sufferings. However I doubt that Krishna will leave them as He is a magnet. They will be back . What we need is patience and mental strength.
Thank You prabhu . That was very informative . Hare Krishna .
Dear Jake prabhu,
I agree with your opinion. Though I am not sure which part of my post was not as per your satisfaction. I have never mentioned krishna has EGO or he is egoistic God . He is always in suddha satva. He takes care of devotees as promised in Gita. What I have answered is about feeling material pain .
Vaikuntha (without - kuntha ) is a place where associates of Lord also feel no pain of material life . Goloka is highest of the Vaikuntha lokas . The pain felt by Krishna in absence of Radharani is different fro from these material pain. He is ATMARAM . He is full of Knowledge . But he is not known for doing spoon feeding. We face our karmic reactions as we are supposed to. Our suffering makes us strong. failure is one step behind success . He has given us Knowledge and Guru to guide. Thus he is doing his duty towards us. It is upto us if we want to stand up again. Those who are weak minded will curse Him and leave him. I have seen many such devotees.
Even the great sadhakas feel no material pain as they are aware material pain is due to weakness of heart and mind . Arjuna was also in pain but Krishna was not. He taught Arjuna to get rid of mental pain of killing his relatives . Krishna never lamented by seeing Arjuna's lament but indeed guided him with Knowledge . This is what senior devotees taught me .
Dear Jake Prabhu,
I appreciate your views. This is indeed a difficult topic. However i will still stick to No in the "feeling the pain part. " I feel just as there is a difference between sympathy and empathy , between attached and affectionate similarly there is a difference in feeling the pain and being compassionate. I believe there will always be a difference in opinion in feeling the material pain part as he himself feels :
"He for whom no one is put into difficulty and who is not disturbed by anxiety, who is steady in happiness and distress, is very dear to Me."
"One who neither grasps pleasure or grief, who neither laments nor desires, and who renounces both auspicious and inauspicious things, is very dear to Me."
One who is equal to friends and enemies, who is equiposed in honor and dishonor, heat and cold, happiness and distress, fame and infamy, who is always free from contamination, always silent and satisfied with anything, who doesn't care for any residence, who is fixed in knowledge and engaged in devotional service, is very dear to Me.
Krishna is fixed in knowledge and equiposed . He is called Atmaram . We are affected by the above one and this is our mental weakness. we are human beings but Krishna is not. He is above the effects of the three gunas.
I still feel there will always be a difference of opinion and views but anyways it was a lovely discussion after a long time.
Those who suffer in poverty have opportunity to recieve Lords mercy by helplessly shouting His name,
but others dont have such opportunity, because of comfort life, proudness and sense gratification.
What to talk about sadhu association, which those who are not in helpless condition can just dream about.
On end of creation, all conditioned souls enter Lords body to rest from their samsara and illusion. We can consider that as His compassion, what to talk about His incarnations and activities in material world for ultimate benefit of all. What to talk about His holy names which even incorrecly spoken saves from going to hell.
Those who cant realize that Lords lotus feet are only medicine for all problems, cant fully surrender despite all the effort . Partial surrendering is not same as completely surrendering.
The Lord likes to be exclusive and only savior, those who disagree with that,
completely surrendering for them remains just a dream.
Have a look how faithfull women in a helpless condition are saved by God :
(2:47 - 3:00)
Therefore, who but faithless materialists claims God to be heartless.
from the highest intellectual being lord bramha down to the insignificant ant all of them are enjoying the material world according to the desiresof the subtle mind and gross body the gross material body is based on the conditions of subtle mind and the senses are created according to the desire of the living being the lord as parmatma helps he propose lord disposes the suffering and enjoyment are indirectly the suffering and enjoyment of father
still the father is not any way affecteddirectly by the suffering and enjoyment of the sons he is so kind he costantly remains with the living being as paramatma and always tries to convert the living being towards the real happiness