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You are right and agreed. What about other planets in spiritual world, such as bhrama jyoti where beings don't serve Vishnu/Krishna.
hare krishna, All Glories to Srila Prabhupada
In the brahma jyothi One loses his individuality and unites into the supreme brahman . so No Individuality there. But the Bliss of the vaikunta planets is millions of times more than the Brahma jyothi Bliss. Also one may again fall down to the matirial world from the Brahmajyothi .
Thank you Vijay ji for the answer. A person can also fall down from Vaikuntha too as he is independent.
A person may have millions of dollar but still may not be happy ,where as the person who has nothing can still live happy.
1. Please can you explain what is bliss( millions times more)?
2. What is supreme brahman?
Can Anybody Tell me how to approach Dhruvaloka?
akāmaḥ sarva-kāmo vā
yajeta puruṣaṁ param
A person who has broader intelligence, whether he be full of all material desire, without any material desire, or desiring liberation, must by all means worship the supreme whole, the Personality of Godhead. (SB 2.3.10)
Please understand that Bhakti is not dependent on externals. Whether people give you attention or whether this planet is miserable or whether training you have undergone is superior or not, all these are temporary issues.
Bhakti is independent of all these external aspects. Srila Rupa Goswami has said that there is one price that is to be paid to attain highest platform of devotional service
krīyatāṁ yadi kuto ’pi labhyate
tatra laulyam api mūlyam ekalaṁ
janma-koṭi-sukṛtair na labhyate
Pure devotional service in Kṛṣṇa consciousness cannot be had even by pious activity in hundreds and thousands of lives. It can be attained only by paying one price — that is, intense greed to obtain it. If it is available somewhere, one must purchase it without delay. (CC Madhya 8.70)
Lord Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu the supreme personality of Godhead personally appeared on this planet with the main objective of distributing Krsna prema to you, me and all people irrespective of any qualification. There is no reason to think that something is lacking for us to attain Krsna Prema other than our own desire.
So if we or our own desire is the limiting factor, no planet can help us. Having said that going to Dhruva loka is also helpful. But since we have already taken birth here (India) we do have an opportunity to
bhārata-bhūmite haila manuṣya janma yāra
janma sārthaka kari’ kara para-upakāra
One who has taken his birth as a human being in the land of India [Bhārata-varṣa] should make his life successful and work for the benefit of all other people (CC Adi 9.41)
It is quite amusing to me to see how much innocence is there in this question. I think you must be in your teens.
Ya, Earth is seriously not a good place to practice KC, but people like Dhurva and many other saints in the past have attained various planets ( vaikunta, goloka, dhruva loka etc..) from practicing devotional service and chanting only from Bhuloka. Dhruva means determination. If you are determined and have a great will power nothing can stop you. Neither parents nor society nor any circumstances to attain any planet be it dhruva loka or goloka... All you need is strong will power and commitment.
If you have will power then you can achieve anything from even Earth planet also as proved by Dhruva Maharaj any circumstances any weather conditions anything could not stop Dhruva from attaining Lord's darshan. You are only concerned about some conditions like parents and disturbing society. Dhruva lived through so many dire conditions in those 6 mnths.( without food, water, and even without taking in air also..in harsh weather conditions like rain, storm, hot weather, standing on one feet) Such conditions didn't stop Dhruva in attaining Lord's darshan.. I don't understand how these petty conditions like society and parents are stopping you from practicing KC???? Dhruva times maybe he didn't have disturbances like what we have right now. But he did stop eating food, water and even air also on stood on one feet to practice KC.
We don't need to do these all things but we are under so many pressures in society and families that is almost equivalent to what Dhruva has faced in those 6 months. So it is up to you now. You should be able to withstand to all these circumstances and face bravely like dhruva with strong will power and determination to achieve any loka from being on this planet only even Dhruva achieved Dhruva loka planet by practicing KC from this planet itself.
as far as description of planet Dhruva refer to Srimad Bhagwatam you can refer.
Hare Krsna Prabhuji,
Dhruva loka is already spiritual world. One can go there, provided one qualifies. The qualification is pure devotional service. To get pure devotional service, one has to remove the contamination of the material world by chanting 16 and following 4.
I can understand that you are facing obstacles in devotion and find the material world not a very nice place. The way I have understood is - life is all about converting an obstacle into an opportunity. In my life, whatever obstacle to devotion I faced, it was only to make my resolve stronger. Once I become determined, the obstacle disappears. All the while, one has to do one's sadhana, constantly praying for mercy and how to overcome the obstacle.
Just to tell you - there's a discount sale going on by Krsna right now in our planet in Kaliyuga. Only at this stage of Kaliyuga, one can go back to Godhead simply by taking the lord's name. No need to stand on one leg for 10,000 years doing penance, or do yagya for endless years, or do deity worship like the other yugas. Only for a period of 10,000 years, in Kaliyuga, the name of the lord is enough to take us back. Out of 10,000 years, 500 years are over (since Chaitanya Mahaprabhu appearance). In this time, it is so easy to get the highest devotion, direct doors to Goloka are opened, that even demigods line up to take birth on earth. Please take advantage of this sale and do your devotion properly.
Parents will come around once they see you are really inclined. Please be polite, dutiful and loving towards them at all times. You are now a representative of Krsna, your parents are future devotees. How you behave with them will determine how soon they come on this path.
Radha Rasamayi DD